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A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in WTC

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The problem I have with the decision to try KSM in civilian court is that his guilt will be determined by a jury of his peers. New York has a sizable muslim population so it is likely there will be some in the jury pool. I'm not saying that a muslim would necessarily be sympathetic,but am concerned about the pressure from outside sources. Also defense would try to move the case to a city with a large muslim population. He may not walk,but I can see numerous mis-trials. I wouldn't want to be the muslim juror who voted to hang him.

Also, as far as giving terrorists a platform,someone posted that nobody paid any attention to saddam on trial.However he was tried in Iraq and his mike was turned off numerous times. Things will be different here. Insofar as this being a show trial about Bush and waterboarding,the fact that he is being tried at all is due to the fact that Bush brought him under US jurisdiction. He could have left him for the pakistanies to interrogate. I doubt they would have bothered with the waterboard,instead skipping straight to the electricity.
 
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underdog334 said:
The problem I have with the decision to try KSM in civilian court is that his guilt will be determined by a jury of his peers. New York has a sizable muslim population so it is likely there will be some in the jury pool. I'm not saying that a muslim would necessarily be sympathetic,but am concerned about the pressure from outside sources. Also defense would try to move the case to a city with a large muslim population. He may not walk,but I can see numerous mis-trials. I wouldn't want to be the muslim juror who voted to hang him.

Also, as far as giving terrorists a platform,someone posted that nobody paid any attention to saddam on trial.However he was tried in Iraq and his mike was turned off numerous times. Things will be different here. Insofar as this being a show trial about Bush and waterboarding,the fact that he is being tried at all is due to the fact that Bush brought him under US jurisdiction. He could have left him for the pakistanies to interrogate. I doubt they would have bothered with the waterboard,instead skipping straight to the electricity.
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This fantasy of KSM being judged by a jury of his "peers" is ridiculous. He has confessed to being the mastermind of 9/11. His trial will be short and decisive. I only hope he gets life instead of martyrdom.
 
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WillRockwell said:
This fantasy of KSM being judged by a jury of his "peers" is ridiculous. He has confessed to being the mastermind of 9/11. His trial will be short and decisive. I only hope he gets life instead of martyrdom.
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Confession does not mean guilty.
 
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WillRockwell said:
This fantasy of KSM being judged by a jury of his "peers" is ridiculous. He has confessed to being the mastermind of 9/11. His trial will be short and decisive. I only hope he gets life instead of martyrdom.
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That's why this trial is such a joke. The people we're trying to impress, are the very ones that are going to insist that this is a kangaroo court.
 
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Not to mention evidence that will not be able to come forward to protect intelligence techniques and National Security.
 
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ptif219 said:
Not to mention evidence that will not be able to come forward to protect intelligence techniques and National Security.
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That's why this has nothing to do with trying KSM. This is a trial to convict Bush, Cheney, CIA and the FBI.

It won't be no time before they try to subpoena Bush and Cheney.
 
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ptif219 said:
Not to mention evidence that will not be able to come forward to protect intelligence techniques and National Security.
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protecting intelligence techniques and National Security is not high on the Current administrations lists. They'll get it out for the general (And international) public in no time, and to hell with how much more people hate us.
 
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apdst said:
That's why this has nothing to do with trying KSM. This is a trial to convict Bush, Cheney, CIA and the FBI.

It won't be no time before they try to subpoena Bush and Cheney.
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So you want to what, not put KSM on trial? I think most of us would like to see some closure to 9/11, and see the perp walk of the man responsible. And why are you so defensive of Bush and Cheney?
 
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WillRockwell said:
So you want to what, not put KSM on trial? I think most of us would like to see some closure to 9/11, and see the perp walk of the man responsible. And why are you so defensive of Bush and Cheney?
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If you want closure you'd best go shut up those Truthers and try and get a REAL investigation to find out what happened.


While you're doing that...I'll go get some closure for KSM...I've got this plan, see...say we start the process of exsanguinating him. Once he's just about dead, we start pumping his blood back in. I've never tried this but I think it would be good way to drag it out for a few weeks at least.
 
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WillRockwell said:
So you want to what, not put KSM on trial? I think most of us would like to see some closure to 9/11, and see the perp walk of the man responsible. And why are you so defensive of Bush and Cheney?
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Leave it in the military Tribunal instead of moving it to New York. After all Obama said the closing of Gitmo will be delayed
 
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WillRockwell said:
So you want to what, not put KSM on trial? I think most of us would like to see some closure to 9/11, and see the perp walk of the man responsible. And why are you so defensive of Bush and Cheney?
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Put a couple rounds in his grape, then burn his body and send a video of his smoldering corpse to media outlets in the ME, if you want closure.

Muslims fear nothing, the way they fear being burned. Burning KSM's body will send a helluva message.
 
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American said:
He bowed to the Japanese emperor, you think he'd bow to bin Laden. I bet the SOB would just to piss off conservatives. :lol:
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you realize he's not the first to bow to a foreign leader. Eisenhower and Reagan both bowed to foreign leaders. Hell, W. even held the Saudi leader's hand.

i believe this is just a formality that is being blown out of proportion. do i think he bowed too much, yes. do i think we should argue if it's a sign ... no.
 
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WillRockwell said:
So you want to what, not put KSM on trial?
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Strawman. I don't think anyone on the right has suggested anything of the sort. There is a place where these vermin should be tried, and it ain't in NYC mere blocks from the sight of his achievement.

For 226 years this country has treated people like this to a military tribunal with no problems. In fact it is only as of late that liberals of this country have thrown into the mix all that 'citizen of the world' crap, and perverted the words of our founders in trying to extend American constitutional rights to these wastes of human flesh. While at the same time looking for any excuse to label our own fighting men and women as murders, or worse.

What is happening here is just about the worst thing I can think of to do not only to those people who lost loved ones on 9/11, but the worst thing to do to our country as well.

I heard Holder today saying over and over when asked about the Miranda problem we have with these terrorists, in our courts, and he kept saying that wasn't a problem at all, without explanation. So tell me Will. When will it be a problem? When American citizens are thrown into jail, with no Miranda rights because this set a precedent?


j-mac
 
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WillRockwell said:
So you want to what, not put KSM on trial? I think most of us would like to see some closure to 9/11, and see the perp walk of the man responsible. And why are you so defensive of Bush and Cheney?
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As one who lived tbrough 911 in lower manhattan who lost family and friends. A 5.56 to the brain housing group is all i need
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
As one who lived tbrough 911 in lower manhattan who lost family and friends. A 5.56 to the brain housing group is all i need
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I would figure someone who was put through that hell would want to drag it out. I've got this exsanguination plan...if you're down I am...
 
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EpicDude86 said:
I wonder why there haven't been any attempts on KSM's life...
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He's kept in isolation 24/7 to prevent such attempts.
 
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EpicDude86 said:
I would figure someone who was put through that hell would want to drag it out. I've got this exsanguination plan...if you're down I am...
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Nah, I prefer to simply dispatch with the enemy and move on. :shrug:
 
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Arch Enemy said:
Give him a platform? I don't know. Whenever Saddam was tried, no one thought his ramblings were particularly good. But then again, Saddam was even the enemy of Al Qaieda and other Islamic Jihadist networks.
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Um no Saddam was collaborating with Islamist Jihadist organizations (including AQ affiliates) to attack the U.S. right up until the fall of Baghdad. I suggest you read the Pentagon review of the DOCEX report.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
Isn't he innocent until proven guilty? :confused:
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He's confessed, already plead guilty to a military tribunal, and requested the death penalty. We all know he's guilty now we just need to have a jury read the magic word. But seriously why should we offer qualifiers like "alleged" to this guy?
 
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PeteEU said:
No, not if you are muslim. Then you are guilty until you are executed. That is the conservative way of thinking. I bet it also applies to anyone who disagrees with them.
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Oh give me a ****ing break. This isn't Johnny "picked up off the farm by human traffickers" Abdullah we're ****ing talking about here it's Kaleid Sheikh Mohammed. There isn't any question that he was the mastermind behind 9-11 the evidence is overwhelming, he has confessed, and he plead guilty to a military tribunal and requested the death penalty. This guy is ****ing proud that he was the mastermind behind 9-11.
 
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j-mac said:
Squeezing the trigger.....:lol::2wave:


j-mac
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Call me sadistic, but a wound as great as he created deserves a slow and painful death. If there were a way to keep him in 24/7 torture for a good 20-30 years, I'd say that would be as much vengeance as we could squeeze from one body. Then we hang it from a post on our doorstep as a message to the rest of the world.
 
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Agent Ferris said:
Um no Saddam was collaborating with Islamist Jihadist organizations (including AQ affiliates) to attack the U.S. right up until the fall of Baghdad. I suggest you read the Pentagon review of the DOCEX report.
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Link please. PM it too me if you don't mind.
 
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Arch Enemy said:
This is a little bit of a different circumstance.

Regardless of whether the judge is going to play "Mr Fairness", the judge is going to walk into the court room (same for the jury) with the pre-existing knowledge that has been fed over and over again. There's going to be no sympathy. I think it will look more like the Saddam trial.
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So you are saying he can not get a fair trial. Another reason for a military tribunal.
 
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