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A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in WTC

Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

You're talking to a crowd that only uses the word 'proof' with other nouns. Like waterproof, tornado-proof, raccoon proof, etc.
80 proof :mrgreen:
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

80 proof :mrgreen:

Let me proof read the label on that one, and then test it to see if it misleading advertising or not. Send me at least a dozen bottles, since I want to be sure on this point.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

uhm... so now we treat war enemy like a criminal?


opens the door to treat american citizen suspects of crimes the same way.....

So who gets to decide who is a terroist and who isnt?
 
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Depends on the context... public opinion? Court of law? Tribunal? A government body?
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

So who gets to decide who is a terroist and who isnt?





well when you start treating terrorists as people afforded due proccess under the US consitution....


what happens wen they allow the confession under coercion in as evidence.


sets precedence.


Be wary.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

well when you start treating terrorists as people afforded due proccess under the US consitution....


what happens wen they allow the confession under coercion in as evidence.


sets precedence.


Be wary.

Im trying to establish a link between that answer and my question :wow: again who decides who is a terroist, and how? or should we just let the police shoot whoever looks a like terroist on the spot?
 
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Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

Im trying to establish a link between that answer and my question :wow: again who decides who is a terroist, and how? or should we just let the police shoot whoever looks a like terroist on the spot?



Let me try it again. When we start proccessing 911 masterminds like carjackers, that definition gets a lot wider a lot faster. ;)
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

Let me proof read the label on that one, and then test it to see if it misleading advertising or not. Send me at least a dozen bottles, since I want to be sure on this point.
Here's a link someone sent me, and I thought of you first.

http://www.under-tec.com/index.php
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

Let me try it again. When we start proccessing 911 masterminds like carjackers, that definition gets a lot wider a lot faster. ;)

What definition is that? and again that doesnt answer my question. Also bear in mind that the consitution implies that these rights are universial.
 
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What definition is that? and again that doesnt answer my question




I guess I can't help you then. :shrug:


I'm not real good with loaded questions. Tell me what answer do you want. I'll consider it.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

Also bear in mind that the consitution implies that these rights are universial.



It does?


then why does it define who is a citizen and its jurisdiction?
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

I guess I can't help you then. :shrug:


I'm not real good with loaded questions. Tell me what answer do you want. I'll consider it.

Its not so much a loaded question as a basic practicality inherent in what you surgested. You,ve said that the if someone is a terroist then that state can kill him without a trial. So if your going to go down this route then logically theres got to be someone who decides who the terroists are. If there is no system for making sure he gets this decision right then basically you have just given him licence to kill (no pun intended) whoever he sees fit. Or more to the point you have given the state licence to kill whomever it sees fit.
 
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It does?


then why does it define who is a citizen and its jurisdiction?

all men....self evident...god given. Sounds pretty universal to me. And surely if this guy is on U.S territory then he is within the consitutions juristiction.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

No, not if you are muslim. Then you are guilty until you are executed. That is the conservative way of thinking. I bet it also applies to anyone who disagrees with them.

He did confess once already.
 
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Its not so much a loaded question as a basic practicality inherent in what you surgested. You,ve said that the if someone is a terroist then that state can kill him without a trial.


I did, I said that? Really? Please quote me.... :lamo

So if your going to go down this route then logically theres got to be someone who decides who the terroists are. If there is no system for making sure he gets this decision right then basically you have just given him licence to kill (no pun intended) whoever he sees fit. Or more to the point you have given the state licence to kill whomever it sees fit.



:lol: I see you working hard on this strawman.....



I am fine with military tribunals.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

all men....self evident...god given. Sounds pretty universal to me. And surely if this guy is on U.S territory then he is within the consitutions juristiction.




uhm dave, that's from the declaration of independence....


Not the US Constitution.
 
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i take it you would rather they be tried in secret?

In a Military Tribunal. They were captured and held by the military they should be tried by the military.


I can hear it now no Miranda rights all evidence must be thrown out.
 
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In a Military Tribunal. They were captured and held by the military they should be tried by the military.


I can hear it now no Miranda rights all evidence must be thrown out.




The accused confessed under "torture", President Obama to be called as defense star witness.
 
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The accused confessed under "torture", President Obama to be called as defense star witness.

Did he? I thought it came up at a military hearing when he was making a statement. Were they torturing him at the military hearing? May be Holden's law firm will be defense council.
 
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Did he? I thought it came up at a military hearing when he was making a statement. Were they torturing him at the military hearing?





they did waterboard him, this could be a technicality that puts the case in jeapoardy.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

they did waterboard him, this could be a technicality that puts the case in jeapoardy.

Thats why it should be a military tribunal
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

i take it you would rather they be tried in secret?

They should be tried in the proper venue, which is a military tribunal.

They committed an act of war, not a burglary.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

uhm dave, that's from the declaration of independence....


Not the US Constitution.


Amendment 14

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

That's why the accused should be tried in a military tribunal. He can have equal protection accorded to all accused war criminals, in strict accordance with the laws governing such, instead of the more stringent protections accorded to mere rapists and muggers.
 
Re: A diatribe defense: Pros say Khalid Shaikh Mohammed will act as his own lawyer in

they did waterboard him, this could be a technicality that puts the case in jeapoardy.

Hence, it is said this will be a "circus".

Man! If this trial is not one of the BIG issues that sinks the President, I don't know what can!?!?

Of course, that is IF the AG allows this thing to start before the 2012 elections.
 
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