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Zacarias Moussaoui, arrested 2001, sentenced 2006.
Do you have any reason to assume that these trials would be more like the Moussaoui timeframe as opposed to the Padilla/Yousef/Blind Sheik timeframe?
Eric Holder was the Justice Dept. official who made the political decision during the Clinton Administration to overrule career prosecutors and recommentd the pardon of Marc Rich. Remember? Based on his record political considerations are relevant criteria in the administration of justice. Otherwise, how do you explain the pardon of Marc Rich?
I don't have the slightest clue what you're trying to argue. Fill in this sentence for me:
"Eric Holder made a politicized decision dealing with pardons almost a decade ago, so that means _____________ as relating to these terrorism prosecutions today."
Why has Obama created a two tier system of justice with some detainees receiving trials before a military tribunal and other detainees receiving trials in the federal court system? If you don't know say so and I won't ask again, but don't ask me to have faith in Eric Holder or Obama.
I would have to assume that it's because he believes that there is enough admissible evidence to win convictions in federal court for these 5 individuals, but isn't convinced of that fact as it applies to the other detainees. That seems like a pretty logical conclusion from my perspective.
Why do I say this is as much a political decision as a legal decision? The Gitmo Five trials will be a massive anti-American propaganda circus. The defendants will put the prior administration on trial. This will please Obama's base.
Yes, Obama's base is just giddy over the prospect of aligning themselves with the planners of 9/11.
How can you not?
This is a trial the world will be watching. Do you really think Islamic Terrorists would pass up a chance for that kind of publicity?
Again, I don't think the danger is any more serious than what we face every day. There are plenty of situations where AQ would love to stage a terrorist attack for the publicity. The inauguration, the world series, the anniversary of 9/11, any one of the dozens of trials that have already occurred, etc.
You've never had a show trial like this with these kinds of terrorists for defendants.
We had one with the planners of the first WTC attack, one with the Shoe Bomber, one with the American Taliban, etc. All of those were "media spectacles." None of those resulted in terrorism.
How do you know? There will be separate trials.
I don't "know" anything. I'm making an estimate based on the amount of in-court time that these trials will probably take. If you have anything that would lead you to believe that these trials will cost "hundreds of millions," feel free to share it.
How do you know the truth of the matter you assert on Holder's opinion and actions? Imo it's not humanly possible to know Holder's intentions. Are you speculating? That's ok, but it's not an objectively determinable fact.
Absolutely nothing about anyone's motivation is an objectively determinable fact. I'm simply looking at the facts and drawing a reasonable conclusion. Do you think that Holder would be bringing these people here for a trial if he weren't convinced that he would get convictions?
If Obi Wan exercises his post acquittal detention authority there will be an uproar on the American and European left the likes of which none of us has ever seen imo.
Which means what?