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Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

WillRockwell said:
If you think this act was an example of AlQaeda sponsored terrorism, you have a short memory. If AlQaeda strikes the US again, there will be no debate whether it was a terrorist act. This guy went postal, the fact he was Muslim was not why he snapped.
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yeah, as Chris Matthews pondered on his show openly last week, "it's not a crime to call Al Qaeda, is it?"



:rofl


j-mac
 
Catawba said:
Guess not, better go ahead and put the 4,000 Muslims in the Armed Forces in front of a firing squad. Just to be on the safe side. Or we could bomb Fort Hood which would be in keeping with our foreign policy. :roll:
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I'd rather be safe than sorry. :lol:
 
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j-mac said:
yeah, as Chris Matthews pondered on his show openly last week, "it's not a crime to call Al Qaeda, is it?"



:rofl


j-mac
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The guy with the tingle in his leg said that, really?:shock:
 
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Jackboot said:
The guy with the tingle in his leg said that, really?:shock:
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Yeah, no lie.....It was last week, I'll have to see if I can dig it up on YouTube. Stunning isn't it?


j-mac
 
apdst said:
You'll never accept any other outcome to an investigation, other than he's one lone nutjob who suffered from PTSD. So far, you haven't once Considered the possibility that this cat committed this crime because he's a Muslim extremist.
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Again, this simply is not true. The top question I have is if he got support from others, and if so can we track them down. Keep making crap up, see how well it works for you.
 
WillRockwell said:
Another spitball of ignorance from the far right. You consider it terrorism if someone beats you out of a parking space.

Most of us recognize that real terrorism
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Hey Will. I've seen you returned to the thread finally. Would you care to finally actually respond to this in reference to your original post in this thread?

Zyphlin said:
Are you seriously saying that his extremist islamist views that are beginning to become more and more aired likely had NOTHING to do with the reason he snapped at all? That take out the islamist element and it'd have happened the exact same way?

I don't agree with those saying it was purely and completely done due to his religion, but its equally foolish to say that his extreme view of his religion likely had nothing to do with it either.
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EpicDude86 said:
I'd rather be safe than sorry. :lol:
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So which is it you propose, bombing Fort Hood to root out the al Qaeda, or putting the 4,000 Muslims that are serving honorably in front of a firing squad???
 
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Catawba said:
So which is it you propose, bombing Fort Hood to root out the al Qaeda, or putting the 4,000 Muslims that are serving honorably in front of a firing squad???
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When you're done with the dramatic stuff, I'll be here at the Good Sarcasm table.
 
EpicDude86 said:
When you're done with the dramatic stuff, I'll be here at the Good Sarcasm table.
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I've been waiting for your proposed solution that doesn't include traffic regulation.
 
Catawba said:
I've been waiting for your proposed solution that doesn't include traffic regulation.
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I've given you my solution in easy to swallow pill form and suppository form. What don't you understand about it?
 
EpicDude86 said:
I've given you my solution in easy to swallow pill form and suppository form. What don't you understand about it?
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Something about addressing traffic fatalities wasn't it?
 
Catawba said:
Something about addressing traffic fatalities wasn't it?
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Yes. Can't you see the connection? It's so blatantly obvious. Only someone with your enhanced abilities of comprehension could see it!
 
EpicDude86 said:
Yes. Can't you see the connection? It's so blatantly obvious. Only someone with your enhanced abilities of comprehension could see it!
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No, I admit I had never considered traffic regulation as the solution to shooting sprees. Who would have thunk it?
 
Redress said:
....The top question I have is if he got support from others, and if so can we track them down.....
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We know who the support came from, his Imam is in Yemen, and his leader is in some obscure village in Pakistan guarded by the locals.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
We know who the support came from, his Imam is in Yemen, and his leader is in some obscure village in Pakistan guarded by the locals.


j-mac
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And that is all the support he got? You know that for sure?
 
Redress said:
And that is all the support he got? You know that for sure?
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Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.


Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.

As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.

Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers... who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen".

Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists - Telegraph
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There were e-mails between the two, so yeah, I am reasonably sure.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
There were e-mails between the two, so yeah, I am reasonably sure.


j-mac
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That shows he met with one person, not that he did not also meet with others, possibly right there at Dar al-Hijrah mosque. Any one who might be complicit in this, I want them captured, badly. Deciding that this is it and not looking further, and not finding these people would be a tragedy to my way of thinking.
 
Redress said:
That shows he met with one person, not that he did not also meet with others, possibly right there at Dar al-Hijrah mosque. Any one who might be complicit in this, I want them captured, badly. Deciding that this is it and not looking further, and not finding these people would be a tragedy to my way of thinking.
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Well Red, I agree that we need to learn the entire bundle of connections that radicalized this man. As you can see in the article I posted to you, it is possible that Hasan had known at least two of the 9/11 hijackers while he was in attendance at that mosque, and that he was respectful if not in awe of the Imam there who is now recognized as a radical connection to Al Q.

You want them captured? So how do you propose we do that? Go on a heavy handed hunt through sovereign countries and just take them? I suspect you were against Bush doing that in Europe.

Besides, who said this is it? Are demo Senators on the hill going to block the Repubs who are calling for investigation? If so, how does that make you feel about how seriously your party takes this war?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well Red, I agree that we need to learn the entire bundle of connections that radicalized this man. As you can see in the article I posted to you, it is possible that Hasan had known at least two of the 9/11 hijackers while he was in attendance at that mosque, and that he was respectful if not in awe of the Imam there who is now recognized as a radical connection to Al Q.

You want them captured? So how do you propose we do that? Go on a heavy handed hunt through sovereign countries and just take them? I suspect you were against Bush doing that in Europe.

Besides, who said this is it? Are demo Senators on the hill going to block the Repubs who are calling for investigation? If so, how does that make you feel about how seriously your party takes this war?


j-mac
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I want them captured, yes. I don't think we need to start with heavy handed, but it should be an option. I also want to know if there is any one else, especially any one else still in the country. Those out of the country I want identified, barred, and gone after if they are part of the cause and we can find any excuse to get them.

I suspect you are wrong on my reaction to Bush. I supported(and still do) his handling of events after 9/11 and his move on Afghanistan. I disagreed with him on Iraq, because I thought it was taking his eye away from the real issue, terrorism and Al Quada(sp?).

I do not think democrats are going to block any investigation in this, and if they do, I will join with you hand in hand in condemning them if they do. It won't be the first time I have criticized my party, and won't be the last. I repeat though that I do not think that is at all likely that it will be a problem.
 
j-mac said:
Interesting. Are you in favor of rendition?


j-mac
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I assume you are referring to "extraordinary rendition", and in that case, no.
 
Redress said:
That shows he met with one person, not that he did not also meet with others, possibly right there at Dar al-Hijrah mosque. Any one who might be complicit in this, I want them captured, badly. Deciding that this is it and not looking further, and not finding these people would be a tragedy to my way of thinking.
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often that's all they need. They don't get together for big circle jerks to discuss business, they keep comms to a bare minimum or risk being exposed.
 
EpicDude86 said:
often that's all they need. They don't get together for big circle jerks to discuss business, they keep comms to a bare minimum or risk being exposed.
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Are you preparing to bet lives on that? Why would you, since an investigation should hopefully find out for sure.
 
Redress said:
Are you preparing to bet lives on that? Why would you, since an investigation should hopefully find out for sure.
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Am I prepared to save lives by intercepting someone who came in contact with at least 1 suspicious character? yes. Yes I am. Is the government ready to spend that kind of money and manpower and have an apology ready if they're wrong? No.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Am I prepared to save lives by intercepting someone who came in contact with at least 1 suspicious character? yes. Yes I am. Is the government ready to spend that kind of money and manpower and have an apology ready if they're wrong? No.
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Not at all what I asked. I want answers, and I want security. No where have I suggested not going after any one, and in fact I have suggested the opposite. Reading the thread before commenting is a good idea.
 
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