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Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

Right, but was CHRISTIANITY that was at fault? Was Christianity inherently evil then but magically not inherently evil now? Or was it that the PEOPLE were wrong?

By that logic, there's nothing wrong with Nazism, it's the people that call themselves Nazis that are the problem.
 
If a Neo-Nazi, or a klansman had done this, would you be making the same excuses for them, like you're doing for hasan? You would claim that it had nothing to do with it?

If a neo-nazi did this and was in a similar case with hassan....IE reports coming out that people felt he was a bit disturbed, was reportedly a bit of an outcast, felt he was about to be forced to do something he was hugely hugely opposed to, and had said or done things to lead one to believe that his action was done with his neo-nazi views in mind....yeah, I can soundly say that I'd be saying anyone that was saying "christianity" was souly to blame for his act, or even just saying that the only reason he did it was because he was a neo-nazi was likely jumping to conclusions and its ludicrous to think that that alone was the cause of it.

Again, whose claiming that his religion had nothing to do with it?
 
If a Neo-Nazi, or a klansman had done this, would you be making the same excuses for them, like you're doing for hasan? You would claim that it had nothing to do with it?

I would call them friggen insane and not blame Christanity for being insane
 
If a neo-nazi did this and was in a similar case with hassan....IE reports coming out that people felt he was a bit disturbed, was reportedly a bit of an outcast, felt he was about to be forced to do something he was hugely hugely opposed to, and had said or done things to lead one to believe that his action was done with his neo-nazi views in mind....yeah, I can soundly say that I'd be saying anyone that was saying "christianity" was souly to blame for his act, or even just saying that the only reason he did it was because he was a neo-nazi was likely jumping to conclusions and its ludicrous to think that that alone was the cause of it.

Again, whose claiming that his religion had nothing to do with it?

The question was, would you blame his actions on the fact that he was a Nazi. I highly doubt that you would be making the same argument, in that case.

The Libbos that are sticking up for Hassan sure as hell wouldn't be making that argument.

Just like when that clown killed that gaurd in DC. That was all right wing racism, hear the the Libbos tell it. There was never any consideration given to the idea that the guy might just be a nutjob.
 
I reiterate Obama will not say anything against another Muslim, and that Islam says it is okay for a Muslim to lie all they want to infidels.

Every scrap of evidence says this Hasan nut's action were premeditated and Obama may well be setting up a sympathy defense. Not for Hasan but for himself if he at some point decides to commute his death sentence and cite that it's either on humanitarian grounds or that it's to show the Muslim world that the U.S. is a compassionate Nation, Blah, Blah, Blah.
If you are one of those who believes that because Obama attended an Anti-American semi-Christian Church he's not the Muslim he was raised as, read this or watch it. Then think about the one thing Obam is very, very good at. That one thing is lying. He is a consummate liar.
It's time to decide that you're not going to allow yourself to be fooled by lies any longer.
This is not about Democrat or Republican, it's about pro-American or anti-American. Don't let the lies and empty promises cloud your judgment there are solutions to all our problems and issues that don't have to be Anti-Constitutional and spend us into 3rd world status. Judge Obama on his actions not the lies he's so good at.

In Obamba's own words while talking with George Stephanopoulos, September 7, 2008.

Obama: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not ah talked about my Muslim faith and you're absolutely right that is not som".

Stephanopoulos: "Your Christian faith".

Obama: "My Christian faith".

It was a Classic Freudian slip you say. A Freudian slip is defined as; A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion. In other words the truth.
Obama: "My Muslim Faith" - Google Videos

:shock:

OK let me see.... Where did I put that tin foil?
 
Obviously the right wing wants Obama to jump to conclusions, the conclusions they drew 5 minutes after seeing the news. The narrow minded want their POTUS to be so as well. Luckily for the "let's wait until we have all the evidence" broad minded crowd our POTUS isn't prone to knee jerk reactions, especially after he got burned in the Gates ("cops were stupid") affair.
 
Obviously the right wing wants Obama to jump to conclusions, the conclusions they drew 5 minutes after seeing the news. The narrow minded want their POTUS to be so as well. Luckily for the "let's wait until we have all the evidence" broad minded crowd our POTUS isn't prone to knee jerk reactions, especially after he got burned in the Gates ("cops were stupid") affair.

He didn't mind jumping to conclusions in the Gates Arrest. He knew right way that the cops had acted, "stupidly". All of you knew it was good 'ole fashion racism, from the git go.
 
The Libbos that are sticking up for Hassan sure as hell wouldn't be making that argument.

Who is sticking up for Hassan? Why do you insist on making this stuff up? I know you are seemingly incapable of doing anything but playing the partisan card, but just try for once.
 
Would you blame nazism for their actions?

Are you really trying to compare the Nazi ideology with Christianity? The Nazi ideology is based in racism and advocates it. Christianity doesn't advocate the behavior that was exhibited by people in the past.
 
Are you really trying to compare the Nazi ideology with Christianity? The Nazi ideology is based in racism and advocates it. Christianity doesn't advocate the behavior that was exhibited by people in the past.

I agree.

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He didn't mind jumping to conclusions in the Gates Arrest. He knew right way that the cops had acted, "stupidly".
As I said he learned his lesson, and now you want him to jump to another conclusion....yours
All of you knew it was good 'ole fashion racism, from the git go.
And we still do!
 
By that logic, there's nothing wrong with Nazism, it's the people that call themselves Nazis that are the problem.

Since Naziism has transformed into essentially focusing around the notion of the superiority of an Aryan race and striving for that through any means necessary, Naziism transformed from what I would view as a doomed for failure and bad political ideology to an ideology focused souly on extremist views.

I think just about any ideology, political religious whatever, when taken to an extreme can be extremely dangerous. I think when the extreme becomes the norm, then that ideology could potentially transfer to a truly evil or dangerous ideology.

Naziism, under Hilter, made that transition from a simple political ideology to the extremes of that ideology being made to be common place.

Such is not the case for Islam.

The "norm" for islam is not to kill non-believers or enslave them. That is an extreme view, held by a relative minority of the religion. It is not the standard literal view of the majority.

The "Norm" for Naziism at the point where it was actually prominent in any form of way was to kill and incarcerate jews. That was not an "extreme sect" of naziism, that's what the normal day to day actions of that ideology was.

This doesn't even get to the fact you're attempting to compare a religious ideology to a political one, of which there are a number of stark differences making two comparisons far from picture perfect.

No, my personal argument?

Christianity is not evil. Evil however has been, and still to this day is, done by people in its name. Christianity does have tennents where, when taken to an extreme level, can be used to justify all sorts of things from simple bigotry to full out murder. In the hands of a charismatic leader that is able to manipulate the masses using the seeming blessing of god, great evil can be done through the name of Christianity. But I do not believe Christianity as a whole is an evil ideology.

Islam is not evil. Evil however has been, and still is to this day...in some places on a large scale...is, done by people in its name. Islam does have tennents where, when taken to an extreme level, can be used to justify all sorts of things from bigotry to full out murder. In the hands of a charismatic leader that is able to manipulate the masses using seeming blessing of god, great evil can be done through the name of Islam. But I do not believe Islam as a whole is an evil ideology.

I believe the biggest issue and difference between the two truly is coming in the worlds in which they are found in. The west was gifted in the ability for solid, continual, evolution in terms of technology, economy, culture, and politics over the year to create the society we live in now where freedom is valued (we can not say this freedom was truly steeped in christian principles for it was fleeing in part from persecution by fellow christians that caused that which went on to spur the swell of freedom in the west). It has created a far more civilized culture, in a relatively quick time period historically speaking, with greater wealth and standards of living (even the poor in this country for example would likely be well off by the standards of many middle eastern ones). We've became a culture far more willing to rationalize, one where I believe 75% plus of the population still states they're christian yet I dare say I'd put good money half of that population rarely attends church outside of an occasional visit.

Its not beneficial, for example, for a preacher whose less worried truly about religion and more about their own personal agenda and power to push for the unbelievers to be rounded up inquisition styles or heretics to be burnt or holy wars to be fought....its far more beneficial to use the words of god to sow hatred for homosexuals, liberals, white people (go reverend wright), black people or any other thing in hopes of increasing ones cash flow.

In the middle east, this is not the case. The civilization is still far less civilized, far more wild, far more segmented. The rich and powerful are at greatly opposite ends and the lowest of the low are lower than most here in the U.S. could imagine. Its a civlization where rule through power and intimidation is still likely to be a useful and logical means of attaining such power.

I fully believe if we took a Jerry Farwell and we took an Osama Bin Laden, and we left them both the same general personalities but switched them places and religions, that old Osama would be up here telling us the GAYS are the reason 9/11 happened and Old Jerry would be in a cave sending us video tapes telling us we're the great satan. Because they're the same general man cut from the same general cloth that is shaped and molded by the society, culture, and life they live in...but at the core I do not honestly think they are so truly different.

If it was Islam that was first in the west and Christianity in the east I have no honest reason to believe it wouldn't have been Islam that would've split into a multitude of sects, that would've had people trying to escape from persecution of their own religion, and wouldn't be much like Christianity is in the west now. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Christianity having followed the general path Islam has in the middle east. And we'd be looking at those savage Christians, stoning their daughters and wives for daring to actually be raped while they we then look at our country and talk about the "Fundy" Muslims with their televangilists and actually still adhering to that ridiculous amount of times to pray every day while we ignore yet another time of prayer because the game just went into over time.

Do I think there's the more things within the works of Islam that can be taken to extremes? Perhaps. They're pointed out regularly. At the same time you don't have nearly as many people scouring the bible looking for things to take out of context. Regardless though, as a whole, the religion is not focused on the extreme and is not gigantically different in generalities than Christianity. Just as I believe children are often creatures of the environment they grow up, so too do I believe religions can be.

So no. I don't think Islam is inherently evil. I believe it can be twisted to an evil thing, and I believe those that twist it to such evil are evil...but I don't believe the religion itself is inherently that.
 
The Libbos that are sticking up for Hassan sure as hell wouldn't be making that argument.

Just as you've dodged this every single solitary time I've asked you it in any thread, I'm sure you'll do it again this time. However, you keep wanting to make these BS (See, I'm being PC about it this time just for you since you apparently love political correctness so much) statements so I must ask...

Who EXACTLY is sticking up for Hassan and what is the statement they've made that you think proves it? Outside of Willrockwell who seems to be taking a page from your book and refusing to back up statements he made and instead just disappear.
 
Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

If you think this act was an example of AlQaeda sponsored terrorism, you have a short memory. If AlQaeda strikes the US again, there will be no debate whether it was a terrorist act. This guy went postal, the fact he was Muslim was not why he snapped.
Yes it was, it was exactly why. He couldn't take the war in Islamic countries. Try to keep up with the news.
 
This is just sickening as well as extremely stupid.

Its one thing for liberal pundits to spout this BS but for the President to say it before the investigation isn't complete and we now know this guy was talking to a Al Queada recruiter it really does make me wonder exactly when will Obama think of the murdered troops and not excusing this Islamic Fundamentalist?



RealClearPolitics - Video - Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

I don't really get the distinction here. Isn't formally joining a terrorist organization or cause the same as snapping, under pressure or whatever emotion is compelling you? You join a terrorist cause because of a perverse emotion, and that emotion overrules your better judgment. That's consistent with the psychological process of 'snapping'.
 
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I guess it could be stressful to profess to be a member of a religion that calls you to make nonbelievers submit to your religion or die. It must suck to be surrounded by such uncooperative infidels.

Cry me a river.:boohoo:


It was just too..... much.... pressure..
 
I guess it could be stressful to profess to be a member of a religion that calls you to make nonbelievers submit to your religion or die. It must suck to be surrounded by such uncooperative infidels.

Cry me a river.:boohoo:


It was just too..... much.... pressure..

This is all our fault! The very fate of every victim of a radical Islamic attack is the fault of the Infidel. If we would have just submitted, none of this would happen. Except between the Sunnis and Shiites. But other than that...



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I don't really get the distinction here. Isn't formally joining a terrorist organization or cause the same as snapping, under pressure or whatever emotion is compelling you? You join a terrorist cause because of a perverse emotion, and that emotion overrules your better judgment. That's consistent with the psychological process of 'snapping'.

What he interpreted from his religion brought him to a logical conclusion.

Beyond that:

He volunteered.
He swore to defend against enemies foreign and domestic.
He could have jumped ship.
He could have taken his own life... first.

No. He decided otherwise.

With your conclusion, there are a lot of Muslims that are mentally unstable.
Might agree with you there.

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I'm wondering if Islam is to blame for this obviously insane act is Christanity to blame for abortion clinic bombings?

You can't justify the abortion bombings with the bible.
 
I don't really get the distinction here. Isn't formally joining a terrorist organization or cause the same as snapping, under pressure or whatever emotion is compelling you? You join a terrorist cause because of a perverse emotion, and that emotion overrules your better judgment. That's consistent with the psychological process of 'snapping'.

If that were true then it would be a snap decesion not something planned.
 
Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

If you think this act was an example of AlQaeda sponsored terrorism, you have a short memory. If AlQaeda strikes the US again, there will be no debate whether it was a terrorist act. This guy went postal, the fact he was Muslim was not why he snapped.

There's no debate that Hasan committed an act of terrorism.

He did, that's final and obvious, except to those people who, for some strange reason, want to defend America's enemies.
 
You need to work on your reading for comprehension skills.

There is nothing wrong with mine. You however need some help.

Let me quote from your video:

Hey look, more than one possibility. Wow, you are wrong, you have been wrong, you will continue to be wrong because you will never admit that you screwed up.

Hey look, still ignoring the one possibility with factual evidence to back it up. Wow, you are still wrong. :2wave:

You still simply cannot admit he only gave the "he's crazy" theory and only then did he claim he has to wait for the evidence. Your denial of his own words is simply amazing.


Still watiing for you to defend the ignorant assumption that he's just crazy when the guy shut down his apartment and gave away all his belongings.

How does that fit your theory?
 
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