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Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

texmaster said:
I just object to people ignoring the one cause that actually has evidence to support it from his past and testimony from others and embracing those that have no evidence to support them.

At any rate, I think this thread has run its course.
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No one is ignoring anything, this is an unsupported claim you are making.
 
winston53660 said:
I'm wondering what leads to extremism?
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Brainwashing, Past conflicts, Mental dysfunction. There are a number of things, pick your poison. Too, it's not entirely dismissible that some people join the ranks of their enemy to exact revenge from the inside.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Brainwashing, Past conflicts, Mental dysfunction.
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The first two I would think have a lot of stress involved.

There are a number of things, pick your poison. Too, it's not entirely dismissible that some people join the ranks of their enemy to exact revenge from the inside.
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Ever see that Charles Bronson movie Telefon where the KGB placed brainwashed assassins in the US?
 
texmaster said:
Yes. They are. Its just a silly game to get around the fact he ignored the one cause that had evidence behind it.
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And as I showed he didn't ignore that cause. You also don't have enough information to go on to jump to conclusions. Feel free to criticize the President over not jumping to conclusions, but it makes you look like nothing more than a partisan hack. There are plenty of areas where the President is worthy of criticism and it's quite sad that you and others use bottom of the barrel stuff like this to attack him about. This is no different than the myriad of stupid things that Liberals attacked Bush for.
 
MrVicchio said:
You're scared to death of saying his Religion was the cause.

Where in here do I imply that he is part of a conspiracy? I do not. I state the cause of his attack was his religion, and his view of what it means to be a Muslim.

YOU, and others like you, are afraid of being "a bigot" if you accept his being a Muslim is why he did this.
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There's no doubt that his extremist religious views were a factor. Were they the ONLY factor? Who knows? Are you seriously going to suggest that religion was the ONLY factor?
 
winston53660 said:
The first two I would think have a lot of stress involved.
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Stress makes people do weird things and solicits interesting reactions in human physiology.

winston53660 said:
Ever see that Charles Bronson movie Telefon where the KGB placed brainwashed assassins in the US?
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I don't think so...I've only seen a few of his movies...either way I'm gonna go get a copy and watch it, sounds interesting.
 
MrVicchio said:
You're scared to death of saying his Religion was the cause.

Where in here do I imply that he is part of a conspiracy? I do not. I state the cause of his attack was his religion, and his view of what it means to be a Muslim.

YOU, and others like you, are afraid of being "a bigot" if you accept his being a Muslim is why he did this.
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You know my motivations? Somehow I doubt it.

Let me clue you in on something...I don't like religions. None of them. I think organized religion is a cause of the problems in the world, far more than they are the solution to any problem. if it turns out religion is the sole cause, it will only confirm my preconceived notions. I have no problem with this, and it won't bother me at all.
 
Redress said:
You know my motivations? Somehow I doubt it.

Let me clue you in on something...I don't like religions. None of them. I think organized religion is a cause of the problems in the world, far more than they are the solution to any problem. if it turns out religion is the sole cause, it will only confirm my preconceived notions. I have no problem with this, and it won't bother me at all.
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Yes, cause those countries that outlawed religion, like North Korea, Cuba, the USSR and China are just bastions of human goodness...
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MrVicchio said:
Yes, cause those countries that outlawed religion, like North Korea, Cuba, the USSR and China are just bastions of human goodness...
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So maybe you are trying to suggest that extremism is the problem not political views or religion?
 
MrVicchio said:
Yes, cause those countries that outlawed religion, like North Korea, Cuba, the USSR and China are just bastions of human goodness...
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Uh...who said that? Just because someone is against organized religion doesn't mean they advocate outlawing religion like the countries you listed. :doh
 
MrVicchio said:
Yes, cause those countries that outlawed religion, like North Korea, Cuba, the USSR and China are just bastions of human goodness...
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I did not say I thought religion was the only cause of problems.
 
winston53660 said:
So maybe you are trying to suggest that extremism is the problem not political views or religion?
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Nope.

Mother Teresa was an EXTREME example of a Nun.

Are you saying all extremes are bad?

See how easy that juvenile line of thinking can be? The people thanking you should be ashamed.
 
MrVicchio said:
Nope.

Mother Teresa was an EXTREME example of a Nun.

Are you saying all extremes are bad?

See how easy that juvenile line of thinking can be? The people thanking you should be ashamed.
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So do you think Islam in and of itself is the problem?
 
Jumping to conclusions and blaming "Islam" is a cornerstone of right wing American politics it seems.
 
winston53660 said:
So do you think Islam in and of itself is the problem?
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Oh, now you're trying to get me as an Islam hater.

I think there are issues with the religion, and that the moderates need to reform the religion from within.
 
PeteEU said:
Jumping to conclusions and blaming "Islam" is a cornerstone of right wing American politics it seems.
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Sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the obvious out of fear seems to be a European fault.
 
PeteEU said:
Jumping to conclusions and blaming "Islam" is a cornerstone of right wing American politics it seems.
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^Yur a Peon, aka European. Don't get mad at me Pete, I'm just debating at the level you've selected.

What do all Americans share in common? An abiding love for our people.

What do all Brits share in common? Bad food and poor dental hygiene. Now go away.
 
PeteEU said:
Jumping to conclusions and blaming "Islam" is a cornerstone of right wing American politics it seems.
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Oh theres no reason to be concerned eh?

"On Tuesday, a British Muslim convert, Dhiren Barot, was sentenced to life in prison for plotting to attack U.S. financial landmarks and blow up London targets with limousines packed with gas tanks, napalm and nails."

U.K. tracking 30 terror plots, 1,600 suspects

After reading the sacred texts it could be argued effectively the modern muslims that do not jihad are the true "radicals" of islam and have strayed from its teachings. The old school terrorists accurately represent Islam at its core. They are the ones following the original texts to their logical conclusion (in a horror movie kind of way) after all is said and done. Why the media (and you apologists) continues to misrepresent with all their might incident after incident (and being proven wrong over and over) is getting pretty creepy.
 
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Since people are claiming things again....

Who, besides Willrockwell who...surprise surprise...has vanished since I asked him to clarifiy his position, in this thread or elsewhere on the forum stated that religion had nothing to do with this?

Some people have said they will hold judgement on saying definitively what caused it till all information is in.

Some people have said they think religion played a part, but not the only part.

But I can't think of anyone that has said "His religion played no part in this" outside of Willrockwell which...i mean...come on....its willrockwell.

Also, its obvious this is what Obama and everyone else needs.......

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PeteEU said:
Jumping to conclusions and blaming "Islam" is a cornerstone of right wing American politics it seems.
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You're right. Because we have no evidence at all this was about Islam right?

Unbelievable you type this nonsense with a straight face.
 
Zyphlin said:
Since people are claiming things again....

Who, besides Willrockwell who...surprise surprise...has vanished since I asked him to clarifiy his position, in this thread or elsewhere on the forum stated that religion had nothing to do with this?

Some people have said they will hold judgement on saying definitively what caused it till all information is in.

Some people have said they think religion played a part, but not the only part.

But I can't think of anyone that has said "His religion played no part in this" outside of Willrockwell which...i mean...come on....its willrockwell.

Also, its obvious this is what Obama and everyone else needs.......
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Your problem was you excuse Obama jumping to conclusions then chastise anyone else who uses the data we have right now to support this was about Islam.

Here is the part where you ignore the fact he brought up only one possible cause, ignore that and only focus on his second sentence that he wanted to "wait" before drawing any conclusions. :rofl

I wonder if this guy had used a suicide vest instead of a gun would you be equally as gullible in proclaiming it wasn't about Islam?
 
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texmaster said:
Your problem was you excuse Obama jumping to conclusions then chastise anyone else who uses the data we have right now to support this was about Islam.
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Again, you have not shown Obama to have jumped to any conclusion.
 
PeteEU said:
Jumping to conclusions and blaming "Islam" is a cornerstone of right wing American politics it seems.
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We may be jumping to conclusions but Islam is really making it a smaller and smaller jump off point with each passing act.
 
texmaster said:
when will Obama think of the murdered troops and not excusing this Islamic Fundamentalist?
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Why would you think that demonizing a religious group would somehow be what the murdered troops would want? Certainly if I were murdered by some nut the most horrible possible outcome I can imagine of that would be for it to be twisted into a reason to stir up more religious hatred. I presume that at least some of these troops enlisted under the belief that they are going to the middle east on a mission to help the region, so they would presumably share my disgust for the way their deaths are being used to build up the hatred they were ready to give their lives to quell.
 
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