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Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

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WillRockwell said:
Think about it. If AlQaeda had managed to place an operative at the level of major in the US Army, they would have the opportunity to do some serious damage, like setting off a bomb under a mess hall or worse. They wouldn't squander that operative by having him just shoot up a room full of people.
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I agree that AQ was not involved in a conspiracy to commit acts of terror at Ft. Hood with Hasan as the tip of the spear. However, I think Hasan is a terrorist of the "Lone Wolf" variety. They are very hard to stop.
 
texmaster said:
No I did follow them.
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No, you did not: "All Opening Post threads posted in *BN* must have...Quoted short excerpts from the article



Again you completely ignore Obama's own words. He suggested a reason without any evidence to support it then disregarded the one possibility with a mountain of evidence behind it.

Until you can understand that, there is nothing more to say.
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Let me try this slower for you, so maybe it sinks in. He makes no excuse, he offers no explanations. He does say "is this an individual who's acting in this way or is it some larger set of actors?" Hey look, he offers multiple possible scenarios. He follows with "You know, what are the motivations? Those are all questions that I think we have to ask ourselves. Until we have these answers buttoned down, I'd rather not comment on it." He asks questions and says until there are answers, he is not going to comment. No excuses, no picking only one possible scenario, no disregarding any scenario.

Oh yes. By pointing to the reason he attacked those troops I'm furthering a political agenda.

So you are claiming that if you conclude based on all the evidence we know this guy is an Islamic terrorist you are a Conservative but if you deny that evidence and offer a reason without any evidence to support that claim, you're a liberal.
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You are using this to attack a president who you dislike, that is working to further your political agenda. You are being dishonest in how you do it, and are using a tragedy to do it, which makes it doubly shameful.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Obama didn't define the difference between an act of violence and an act of terrorism. That right there makes me wonder...Does he not know the definition, more likely does he not know a definition that won't bring his critics down on him, or did he really just offer that lovely little bit of tell-nothing information about how people crack under stress to avoid the answering as much of question as he could?

He may not have excused it, but he sure as hell avoided answering that question in whole.
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He even explains why he is not answering the question in whole: "Until we have these answers buttoned down, I'd rather not comment on it." Answers unknown, best not to speculate much. That damn liberal...
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Because it absolutely could have been a factor in what happened.
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You just said we should not jump to conclusions. So why do you excuse Obama here?

This is the fatal flaw in your defense of Obama. He only gave one explanation and that one explanation has zero evidence to support it yet you excuse him for doing it. Thats the entire point.

I'm not saying religion didn't play a part because it obviously did. Terrorist acts, from what I've seen in the past, are fairly well organized and goal oriented. Shooting up a military base doesn't come off as well organized to me. It sounds to me like he may have snapped as well. Are you going to say that religion was his ONLY motivator even though the investigation isn't finished?
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With the 4 points of clear evidence I listed earlier pointing to an Islamic jihad I'm going with the evidence presented. Not a theory of stress based on nothing but guesswork.
 
Redress said:
You are using this to attack a president who you dislike, that is working to further your political agenda. You are being dishonest in how you do it, and are using a tragedy to do it, which makes it doubly shameful.
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Uh oh Tex! They're on to you! Your bid for President and creating a Tex Reich is surely lost!
 
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WillRockwell said:
If you think this act was an example of AlQaeda sponsored terrorism, you have a short memory. If AlQaeda strikes the US again, there will be no debate whether it was a terrorist act. This guy went postal, the fact he was Muslim was not why he snapped.
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At last, an intelligent comment.

So-called rights will have to be further curtailed, particularly for the American Muslim.
And, for the first time, The various departments will have to work together.
What I have heard is disturbing..
"We cannot do anything until a crime is committed"....
"To talk with known operatives is not a crime".
"His freedom of expression must be protected."
If we do not know by now that the Islamic extremest is dangerous ,we will never know !
And, to me, having heard what I have, this murderer was a typical extremist, a terrorist.
A Muslim can snap as easily as a Christian, I think...The problem is what they do afterward.
Common sense should dictate that no Islamic be in our Armed Forces when we are fighting against the Muslim terrorist..........
And, we should not be over there in the first place....but for that bastard binLaden..He must be caught and made to eat and live with swine....better yet, wild boar...
 
Councilman said:
I reiterate Obama will not say anything against another Muslim, and that Islam says it is okay for a Muslim to lie all they want to infidels.

Every scrap of evidence says this Hasan nut's action were premeditated and Obama may well be setting up a sympathy defense. Not for Hasan but for himself if he at some point decides to commute his death sentence and cite that it's either on humanitarian grounds or that it's to show the Muslim world that the U.S. is a compassionate Nation, Blah, Blah, Blah.
If you are one of those who believes that because Obama attended an Anti-American semi-Christian Church he's not the Muslim he was raised as, read this or watch it. Then think about the one thing Obam is very, very good at. That one thing is lying. He is a consummate liar.
It's time to decide that you're not going to allow yourself to be fooled by lies any longer.
This is not about Democrat or Republican, it's about pro-American or anti-American. Don't let the lies and empty promises cloud your judgment there are solutions to all our problems and issues that don't have to be Anti-Constitutional and spend us into 3rd world status. Judge Obama on his actions not the lies he's so good at.

In Obamba's own words while talking with George Stephanopoulos, September 7, 2008.

Obama: "You're absolutely right that John McCain has not ah talked about my Muslim faith and you're absolutely right that is not som".

Stephanopoulos: "Your Christian faith".

Obama: "My Christian faith".

It was a Classic Freudian slip you say. A Freudian slip is defined as; A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal an unconscious belief, thought, or emotion. In other words the truth.
Obama: "My Muslim Faith" - Google Videos
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Didn't he also once make reference during his campaign of "all 57 states", which ironically, there are 57 Muslim states in the world? Might be another Freudian slip.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Uh oh Tex! They're on to you! Your bid for President and creating a Tex Reich is surely lost!
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SO you can only have a political agenda if you are running for office? I better get rid of mine then before I get caught.
 
texmaster said:
You just said we should not jump to conclusions. So why do you excuse Obama here?
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Because he didn't jump to conclusions. He brought up that stress could be a factor. By saying that it's absolutely not a factor you are just as absurd as those who say that religion was absolutely not a factor.

This is the fatal flaw in your defense of Obama. He only gave one explanation and that one explanation has zero evidence to support it yet you excuse him for doing it. Thats the entire point.
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Again you misrepresent his words. Big shocker there.

With the 4 points of clear evidence I listed earlier pointing to an Islamic jihad I'm going with the evidence presented. Not a theory of stress based on nothing but guesswork.
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You also don't have all of the information that the investigators do, so jumping to conclusions would be foolish. It's quite obvious at this point that religion was a factor. Was it the only factor? Who knows? I doubt it was, judging from what happened. However, I'm also going to have an open mind and wait and see what the people conducting the actual investigation say rather than believing some random guy on a debate forum. Do you comprehend now?
 
Redress said:
No, you did not: "All Opening Post threads posted in *BN* must have...Quoted short excerpts from the article
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As you very well know, its a video :roll:

Its a legitimate news source and I put the title in the title of the thread as indicated in the rules.

Let me try this slower for you, so maybe it sinks in. He makes no excuse, he offers no explanations.
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That is a lie.

He suggests stress as the cause

I quote:

and I think everybody understands how outstanding the young men and women in uniform are under the most severe stress -- there are going to be instances in which an individual cracks.

So please stop pretending he doesn't offer an explanation when he clearly does.

He does say "is this an individual who's acting in this way or is it some larger set of actors?" Hey look, he offers multiple possible scenarios.
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Then name them. If you want to continue this fantasy, name the other "scenarios" he lists besides stress. Go ahead.

He follows with "You know, what are the motivations? Those are all questions that I think we have to ask ourselves. Until we have these answers buttoned down, I'd rather not comment on it." He asks questions and says until there are answers, he is not going to comment. No excuses, no picking only one possible scenario, no disregarding any scenario.
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Wrong again. He only mentions stress as a possible cause which I just quoted.

You are using this to attack a president who you dislike, that is working to further your political agenda. You are being dishonest in how you do it, and are using a tragedy to do it, which makes it doubly shameful.
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And you are spitting on the deaths of these soldiers by trying to excuse the president from suggesting a cause without evidence and ignoring the cause that has a mountain of evidence behind it.
 
texmaster said:
And you are spitting on the deaths of these soldiers by trying to excuse the president from suggesting a cause without evidence and ignoring the cause that has a mountain of evidence behind it.
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And you aren't for attacking the President for purely partisan reasons? There is nothing to excuse the President for. He wants to wait until the investigation is complete before jumping to conclusions. How hard is that for you to comprehend?
 
I'll agree that it is too early to jump to conclusions. However, there were ties to extremist ideology. Saying that stress was the deciding factor causing Hasan to commit, if not an act of terrorism, at least an act of mass murder, is ridiculous. Stress doesn't make someone a murderer. Extremism does.
 
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EpicDude86 said:
Obama didn't define the difference between an act of violence and an act of terrorism. That right there makes me wonder...Does he not know the definition, more likely does he not know a definition that won't bring his critics down on him, or did he really just offer that lovely little bit of tell-nothing information about how people crack under stress to avoid the answering as much of question as he could?

He may not have excused it, but he sure as hell avoided answering that question in whole.
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texmaster said:
I'll say it again

He excuses the cause for the violence by pretending its something that its not. That is the crime and liberals all over the country are repeating this lie.
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How can anyone pretend to know what went on in this guys head at this point? Seems like the prudent thing to do would be to wait for more information before making declarations.

Saying that this guy may have cracked under stress is not excusing anything. Do not Muslims crack under stress, just as do Baptists?

Do you recall what Obama said about punishment for this guy? Any talk of leniency there?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Because he didn't jump to conclusions. He brought up that stress could be a factor. By saying that it's absolutely not a factor you are just as absurd as those who say that religion was absolutely not a factor.
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Sigh. I ask you again why did he only bring up this one factor then? Why not bring them all up especially the ones with real tangible evidence behind them?

Again you misrepresent his words. Big shocker there.
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No I'm forcing you to defend your inability to comprehend that one suggestion as you call it is indefensible unless you are going to bring them all up. He didn't because he doesn't want to deal with the very real possibility supported with evidence that this guy is simply a jihadist.

You also don't have all of the information that the investigators do, so jumping to conclusions would be foolish.
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I at least have evidence to support my claim. 4 points I listed earlier. You have nothing to support your defense of a stress excuse. Sorry, its not equal footing.

It's quite obvious at this point that religion was a factor. Was it the only factor? Who knows? I doubt it was, judging from what happened.
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Now please read this carefully. The entire point is that he doesn't mention any other factors except stress. Do you even acknolwedge that?

However, I'm also going to have an open mind and wait and see what the people conducting the actual investigation say rather than believing some random guy on a debate forum. Do you comprehend now?
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If you want to claim to be open minded then don't excuse the president giving only one reason for the attack in a speech while ignoring the one factor with evidence behind it.
 
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Catawba said:
How can anyone pretend to know what went on in this guys head at this point? Seems like the prudent thing to do would be to wait for more information before making declarations.

Saying that this guy may have cracked under stress is not excusing anything. Do not Muslims crack under stress, just as do Baptists?

Do you recall what Obama said about punishment for this guy? Any talk of leniency there?
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Do you understand there is a mountain of evidence supporting this guy was only interested in Jihad and no evidence that it was stress? Can you acknowledge that?
 
texmaster said:
Sigh. I ask you again why did he only bring up this one factor then? Why not bring them all up especially the ones with real tangible evidence behind them? .
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Because there is only so many hours in a day and he is probably busy.
 
Redress said:
He even explains why he is not answering the question in whole: "Until we have these answers buttoned down, I'd rather not comment on it." Answers unknown, best not to speculate much. That damn liberal...
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Well then this is simply a case of hypocrisy. No big deal.
 
reefedjib said:
I'll agree that it is too early to jump to conclusions. However, there were ties to extremist ideology. Saying that stress was the deciding factor causing Hasan to commit, if not an act of terrorism, at least an act of mass murder, is ridiculous. Stress doesn't make someone a murderer. Extremism does.
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Thank you!!!
 
Why is it so hard to say:

"Major Hassan, who spent a lot of time, and effort praising, researching and being indoctrinated with the Jihadist Mind Set, decided to wage his own personal Jihad and killed American Soldiers because of this?"

Is it a blind spot in the progressive mind to have to BLAME something related to America's "sins" instead of the obvious answer?
 
winston53660 said:
Because there is only so many hours in a day and he is probably busy.
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Then I'll judge him on the only cause he presented in that press conference and question why he ignored the only one with evidence to support it.
 
texmaster said:
As you very well know, its a video :roll:

Its a legitimate news source and I put the title in the title of the thread as indicated in the rules.
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The full transcript of the video is included in text on the page you link to, easy to follow the rules

That is a lie.

He suggests stress as the cause

I quote:

and I think everybody understands how outstanding the young men and women in uniform are under the most severe stress -- there are going to be instances in which an individual cracks.

So please stop pretending he doesn't offer an explanation when he clearly does.
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He offers a possibility, in fact, he offers a couple possibilities. He then says that we do not know.



Then name them. If you want to continue this fantasy, name the other "scenarios" he lists besides stress. Go ahead.
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From his comments, as I have quoted before: "or is it some larger set of actors"...hey look, he offers the suggestion that it was a plot.

Wrong again. He only mentions stress as a possible cause which I just quoted.
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See above.



[/quote]And you are spitting on the deaths of these soldiers by trying to excuse the president from suggesting a cause without evidence and ignoring the cause that has a mountain of evidence behind it.[/QUOTE]

I am a liberal. I have been told I spit on the troops all my life, even when I was one of the troops. You ain't gunna hurt my feelings that way. Further, since all I am doing is pointing out how the president is not saying what you try and make it out he says, I am not trying to excuse any one. When you get around to the truth, which is Obama offered a couple possible scenarios, said he did not know for sure why it happened, and was not going to comment until he did, I will keep right on pointing out how wrong you are.
 
reefedjib said:
I'll agree that it is too early to jump to conclusions. However, there were ties to extremist ideology. Saying that stress was the deciding factor causing Hasan to commit, if not an act of terrorism, at least an act of mass murder, is ridiculous.
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No one has said that.
 
Opinions? While it's clear there isn't enough data to make either an informed guess not a politically correct hypothesis, I have created this not to scale diagram to assist you. Hopefully. Read the disclaimer btw.

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texmaster said:
Sigh. I ask you again why did he only bring up this one factor then? Why not bring them all up especially the ones with real tangible evidence behind them?
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So I take it you completely ignored these comments made by the President:

It may be hard to comprehend the twisted logic that led to this tragedy. But this much we do know -- no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. For what he has done, we know that the killer will be met with justice -- in this world, and the next.
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No I'm forcing you to defend your inability to comprehend that one suggestion as you call it is indefensible unless you are going to bring them all up. He didn't because he doesn't want to deal with the very real possibility supported with evidence that this guy is simply a jihadist.
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He didn't because....

and please...focus as hard as you can...

HE DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS AND WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION WAS OVER.

This has been explained to you numerous times but you seem oblivious to this information.

I at least have evidence to support my claim. 4 points I listed earlier. You have nothing to support your defense of a stress excuse. Sorry, its not equal footing.
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And it's been noted by many (even Obama as seen by the quote above) that his religion did play a role. How big of a role? We don't know. Like Obama, many are choosing to wait until all of the facts come in from the investigation before jumping to conclusions. Get it now?

Now please read this carefully. The entire point is that he doesn't mention any other factors except stress. Do you even acknolwedge that?
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See the quote above.

If you want to claim to be open minded then don't excuse the president giving only one reason for the attack in a speech while ignoring the one factor with evidence behind it.
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He mentioned it as a possibility, not a reason. Once again you misrepresent his words for purely partisan reasons. It's sad that you and others use this tragedy to further your own agendas.
 
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