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Obama Suggests Still Possible Hasan May Have Cracked Under Stress

Why is it so hard to say:

"Major Hassan, who spent a lot of time, and effort praising, researching and being indoctrinated with the Jihadist Mind Set, decided to wage his own personal Jihad and killed American Soldiers because of this?"

Is it a blind spot in the progressive mind to have to BLAME something related to America's "sins" instead of the obvious answer?

Because progressives and liberals have been on their own little jihad trying desperately to ignore the evidence and suggest reasons that do not focus on Islamic motivations even though their excuses have no evidence to support them.

Why they are doing it is a mystery.

We are seeing it in this very thread.
 
Then I'll judge him on the only cause he presented in that press conference and question why he ignored the only one with evidence to support it.

Fine go for it and jump to conclusions.



spot the irony?:lol:
 
Why is it so hard to say:

"Major Hassan, who spent a lot of time, and effort praising, researching and being indoctrinated with the Jihadist Mind Set, decided to wage his own personal Jihad and killed American Soldiers because of this?"

Is it a blind spot in the progressive mind to have to BLAME something related to America's "sins" instead of the obvious answer?

That is probably what it will turn out to be. The most any one is saying that I have seen is it is too early to jump to conclusions.
 
So I take it you completely ignored these comments made by the President:





He didn't because....

and please...focus as hard as you can...

HE DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS AND WANTED TO WAIT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION WAS OVER.

This has been explained to you numerous times but you seem oblivious to this information.

And what you keep missing is...

IF HE DIDNT WANT TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE SUGGESTED A CAUSE AT ALL

Until you get that, there is nothing more to say.
 
Conclusions supported by facts we know.

I'll take that over blind theory any day :2wave:

Hmm, guess based on incomplete data, or keeping an open mind and waiting for the investigation to complete...I think I will take the wait for complete information any day.
 
And what you keep missing is...

IF HE DIDNT WANT TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE SUGGESTED A CAUSE AT ALL

Until you get that, there is nothing more to say.

He suggested many possible causes. Are you going to dismiss that those are not possible factors in what happened? Is it fun being obtuse?
 
No one has said that.

I see that now from the quote you provided. Sorry I had not read the OP article.

I still think that there's cracking under stress resulting in getting angry and perhaps being violent along the lines of getting into a fight. Then there is the kind Hasan exhibited, becoming a mass murderer. It seems as if this was planned. There were extremist ideological influences. This was more than simply cracking under stress.
 
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and what you keep missing is...

if he didnt want to jump to conclusions he should never have suggested a cause at all

until you get that, there is nothing more to say.

he did not suggest a cause, he offered possibilities
 
Opinions? While it's clear there isn't enough data to make either an informed guess not a politically correct hypothesis, I have created this not to scale diagram to assist you. Hopefully. Read the disclaimer btw.

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How dare you base your conclusions with facts about this man's actions and testimony from others!

Where is your ability to come up with blind theories without evidence!? Come on man! :rofl
 
Yes. We have to understand what "is" is right? Talk about parsing...

He offered, just in the short clip you linked, two possible causes(stress and a conspiracy). This is not me trying to find a possible way to take his words wrong, it's you.
 
That is probably what it will turn out to be. The most any one is saying that I have seen is it is too early to jump to conclusions.

No, it's not! Follow along please:

Major Hasan was a devout Muslim.
He has been described as devout and discreet. A local imam told the Washington Post that he attended daily prayers at a mosque when he worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Profile: Major Nidal Malik Hasan

Major Hasan believed it was right for Muslims, no their duty to kill Americans
The young doctor responded. “That’s not a correct interpretation. Jihad means holy war. When your religion isn’t safe, you have to fight for it. If someone attacks you, you must fight them. That is jihad. You can kill someone who is harming you.”
Inside the Gunman's Mosque - The Daily Beast

Major Hasan felt the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wars on Islam. And that he was a muslim first, American second.
Finnell says he got to know Hasan in an environmental health class. At the end of the class, students gave presentations. Finnell says other classmates wrote on subjects such as dry cleaning chemicals and mold in homes, but Hasan's topic was whether the war against terror was "a war against Islam." Finnell described Hasan as a "vociferous opponent" of the terror war.

Finnell says Hasan told classmates he was "a Muslim first and an American second."
Hasan Reportedly Felt U.S. Attacked Islam - CBS News

Those dots are quite clear. And only the willingly blind refuse to see this is what drove him, not PTSD or any other pyscobabble.
 
He offered, just in the short clip you linked, two possible causes(stress and a conspiracy). This is not me trying to find a possible way to take his words wrong, it's you.

Neither of which is supported at all with any evidence yet he offers only those up and ignores the one actually supported with evidence.

Thats the entire point.
 
Yeah because that's totally the same. :roll:

Yes. They are. Its just a silly game to get around the fact he ignored the one cause that had evidence behind it.
 
No, it's not! Follow along please:

Major Hasan was a devout Muslim.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Profile: Major Nidal Malik Hasan

Major Hasan believed it was right for Muslims, no their duty to kill Americans

Inside the Gunman's Mosque - The Daily Beast

Major Hasan felt the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wars on Islam. And that he was a muslim first, American second.

Hasan Reportedly Felt U.S. Attacked Islam - CBS News

Those dots are quite clear. And only the willingly blind refuse to see this is what drove him, not PTSD or any other pyscobabble.

Exactly right and well said.
 
Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

Do you understand there is a mountain of evidence supporting this guy was only interested in Jihad and no evidence that it was stress? Can you acknowledge that?

I'm also aware there are 4,000 Muslims in the armed forces. Why did just this guy go on a rampage? I had read he was about to be deployed to the Middle East. You don't think putting him in the position of having to potentially kill innocent Muslims could present stress?

Does this excuse what he did? Hell no! But then no one has said there should be leniency.
 
This is why I hate Wall Street speculators. Because regardless of what info we THINK we have, if we speculate wrong, then the ****storm is only going to harder and faster. Not saying that anyone in this thread is necessarily wrong, but we sure are doing a lot of speculating for one side or the other...
 
Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

I'm also aware there are 4,000 Muslims in the armed forces. Why did just this guy go on a rampage? I had read he was about to be deployed to the Middle East. You don't think putting him in the position of having to potentially kill innocent Muslims could present stress?

But WHY would he be under stress if it wasn't for the very reasons he actually stated being his religion???

Does this excuse what he did? Hell no! But then no one has said there should be leniency.

leniency was never the argument.

Selective suggestions on the cause is.
 
No, it's not! Follow along please:

Major Hasan was a devout Muslim.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Profile: Major Nidal Malik Hasan

Major Hasan believed it was right for Muslims, no their duty to kill Americans

Inside the Gunman's Mosque - The Daily Beast

Major Hasan felt the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wars on Islam. And that he was a muslim first, American second.

Hasan Reportedly Felt U.S. Attacked Islam - CBS News

Those dots are quite clear. And only the willingly blind refuse to see this is what drove him, not PTSD or any other pyscobabble.

Was he a part of a bigger conspiracy? Want to take the chance he wasn't? I will wait for the investigation to be done before I jump to my conclusions.
 
This is why I hate Wall Street speculators. Because regardless of what info we THINK we have, if we speculate wrong, then the ****storm is only going to harder and faster. Not saying that anyone in this thread is necessarily wrong, but we sure are doing a lot of speculating for one side or the other...

I just object to people ignoring the one cause that actually has evidence to support it from his past and testimony from others and embracing those that have no evidence to support them.

At any rate, I think this thread has run its course.
 
Re: Obama now claims stress made the guy kill those soliders

I'm also aware there are 4,000 Muslims in the armed forces. Why did just this guy go on a rampage? I had read he was about to be deployed to the Middle East. You don't think putting him in the position of having to potentially kill innocent Muslims could present stress?

Worst Case Scenario time:
Maybe he jumped the gun on a unified attack. Maybe he failed another attack and going back his buddies would surely mean doom. Maybe by going back that would automatically have failed his Jihad or stalled it for longer than he was willing to wait. There are plenty of crazy ideas to support this. Should we believe them? No. Should we write them off completely? No.

Does this excuse what he did? Hell no! But then no one has said there should be leniency.

Aaaaamen.
 
I'm wondering what leads to extremism?
 
Was he a part of a bigger conspiracy? Want to take the chance he wasn't? I will wait for the investigation to be done before I jump to my conclusions.

You're scared to death of saying his Religion was the cause.

Where in here do I imply that he is part of a conspiracy? I do not. I state the cause of his attack was his religion, and his view of what it means to be a Muslim.

YOU, and others like you, are afraid of being "a bigot" if you accept his being a Muslim is why he did this.
 
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