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Fort Hood Suspect Warned of Muslim Threat Within Military

apdst said:
You just made my point for me. Thank you!

I'm sure Zyphlin thanks you as well.
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He didn't make your point? Did you actually read his post? It's the same thing as if I take this post of yours and say "you just made my point, thank you, I'm sure Councilman thanks you as well."

wtf
 
Zyphlin said:
Okay. So you're admitting to just ranting and raving about a mystical, magical, imaginary friend that apparently thinks that way while addressing it to the whole forum...because you can not produce one single name and quote, let alone the plural needed for "ya'll", to show that someone on this forum insisting that his extreme islamic beliefs had absolutely no blame in this and that those that saw the warnings signs and did nothing are without blame.

Well, thanks for admitting you were just completely bull****ting with that statement since you apparently can't back it up.
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So, you're argument is, I'm bull****ting you? great job! And, you're a mod?
 
apdst said:
So, you're argument is, I'm bull****ting you? great job! And, you're a mod?
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Really? Now you are playing the victim card? Did you even read his post?
 
American said:
What would the US Army of WWII done with him?
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Ah, I guess you're longing for the days of one of the biggest liberals EVER in this countries history American.

Alright, if this was WWII and ole FDR was CIC I imagine...if we play the game its obvious you want to play....

Instead of interring japanese (and some italian and germans) we'd inter muslims (and likely some of just arabic heritage).

In this case we'd not be going after an ethnicity but an actual RELIGION, something that flies in the face of the constitution, so we would have ramifications from that point onward in this countries history that the government is free to enact punishment on people for nothing but their religious views.

Its a far more connected and knowledgable world now than in WWII. As such there'd be far more uprising within this very country with people fighting back as it'd become known pretty quickly that the government was rounding up its own citizens instead of the confusion that was there early during the WWII incidents.

Additionally due to a mix of that connectivity mixed with the fact that we are now not viewed as a big savior coming in to save the world but instead as the people that in some way have either started or escalated this conflict, world sentiment would be far, far greater against us then it would've been in WWII.

Along with this, unlike WWII, there is not an similar and yet VASTLY worse situation occuring in the enemy country (as there was with the actual holocaust) to make our action seem far more mundane.

Finally it would take a great deal of government funding to round up 2.5 million people, house them, feed them, and guard them, likely meaning war time taxes would need to be enacted for the forseeable future (which, unlike WWII, seems to have no reason to believe it'll end within a decade) or even greater amount of debt assumed by this country, along with troops needing to be removed from needed combat locations to domestic camp locations.

I imagine that's what would happen if this was going on with the WWII set up in place.

That'd be so much better.
 
Lerxst said:
He didn't make your point? Did you actually read his post? It's the same thing as if I take this post of yours and say "you just made my point, thank you, I'm sure Councilman thanks you as well."

wtf
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Didn't take long for you to show up and help your pards. How did he make my point? Well, let's see.

First, Doc says:

Dr_Patrick said:
God forbid we actually place the blame on the Islamic extremists who are trying to infiltrate our military, or the people who saw the warning signs and did nothing.
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Then, he says:

Dr_Patrick said:
Myself and others argued that it wasn't necessarily motivated by his religion simply because he was Muslim.
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It's not hard, you're not ignorant, you're just in college, that's all.
 
apdst said:
So, you're argument is, I'm bull****ting you? great job! And, you're a mod?
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Yes. My argument is that if you can't provide evidence for the accusations you make then it must mean you're making them up, aka bull****ting.
 
apdst said:
Didn't take long for you to show up and help your pards. How did he make my point? Well, let's see.
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Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strongest suit. That's no problem. I don't know how to make it any clearer for you. I said that his actions weren't NECESSARILY motivated by his religion. If you recall, when the story broke, there was absolutely nothing about the terrorist ties or anything else. It was simply mentioned that he was a Muslim. Rather than jumping to conclusions about his religion, I and others wanted to wait for official word on whether or not he had terrorist ties before jumping the gun like you and others did. Do you understand now?
 
Zyphlin said:
Yes. My argument is that if you can't provide evidence for the accusations you make then it must mean you're making them up, aka bull****ting.
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You can't rebut my comments, so you resort to cussing. nothing new from you.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strongest suit. That's no problem. I don't know how to make it any clearer for you. I said that his actions weren't NECESSARILY motivated by his religion. If you recall, when the story broke, there was absolutely nothing about the terrorist ties or anything else. It was simply mentioned that he was a Muslim. Rather than jumping to conclusions about his religion, I and others wanted to wait for official word on whether or not he had terrorist ties before jumping the gun like you and others did. Do you understand now?
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Insults is really all you boys really have, huh?

Ok, Lerxt, it's your turn.
 
apdst said:
Didn't take long for you to show up and help your pards. How did he make my point? Well, let's see.

First, Doc says:




Then, he says:



It's not hard, you're not ignorant, you're just in college, that's all.
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And you have no clue what you're talking about. He's addressing two different points in a varying context. It's called keeping up with the flow of the conversation. He was being situational in his comments. One was more to the point of actually affixing blame to known extremists for the acts they commit instead of blaming a whole religion, the other was explaining that we don't know this guy murdered because of his faith or because of a mental breakdown (a little thing called facts of the case).

Apparently it is hard, you are ignorant, and I don't know if you went to college but I doubt it.
 
apdst said:
Insults is really all you boys really have, huh?

Ok, Lerxt, it's your turn.
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Once again, you failed to read the post. What a shock! :roll:
 
Lerxst said:
And you have no clue what you're talking about. He's addressing two different points in a varying context. It's called keeping up with the flow of the conversation. He was being situational in his comments. One was more to the point of actually affixing blame to known extremists for the acts they commit instead of blaming a whole religion, the other was explaining that we don't know this guy murdered because of his faith or because of a mental breakdown (a little thing called facts of the case).

Apparently it is hard, you are ignorant, and I don't know if you went to college but I doubt it.
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You didn't let me down, son!...:rofl
 
apdst said:
You can't rebut my comments, so you resort to cussing. nothing new from you.
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Do you know the definition of the word "rebut?" Let me help you.

Main Entry: re·but
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈbət\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): re·but·ted; re·but·ting
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French reboter, from re- + boter to butt — more at butt
Date: 14th century

transitive verb 1 : to drive or beat back : repel
2 a : to contradict or oppose by formal legal argument, plea, or countervailing proof b : to expose the falsity of : refuteintransitive verb : to make or furnish an answer or counter proof
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You wanna try that again? :rofl

Big words!
 
apdst its not intelligent to be so dishonest in your presentation when there's an entire thread of posts above that someone can go and actually look at the quote you use, but see it IN CONTEXT.


apdst said:
First, Doc says:
DrP said:
God forbid we actually place the blame on the Islamic extremists who are trying to infiltrate our military, or the people who saw the warning signs and did nothing.
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Correct, he says that.

apdst said:
Then, he says:
DrP said:
Myself and others argued that it wasn't necessarily motivated by his religion simply because he was Muslim.
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Ohhh, the issue of context. Horrible horrible context. First off, lets see what he's responding to...I think its this comment:

apdst said:
Ya'll keep insisting that that's not happening.
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Again you chose to use the word insisting.

Now lets see what DrP said IN CONTEXT.

Dr P said:
Actually, no. Many assumed at first that he did this because he was Muslim. Remember, at this time there was no information about terrorist ties. Myself and others argued that it wasn't necessarily motivated by his religion simply because he was Muslim.
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Notice he's talking about when this ALL FIRST BROKE, IE "at first". And even then he's not saying they "insisted" it "wasn't" motivated by religion, but simply that immedietely upon finding out he was muslim that did not necessarily mean that is what motivated him to do it.

That is not the same as at this point, after the evidence has came to light, insisting (your word) that his extreme islamic views had nothing to do with it.

Not anyones fault but your own that you made an inaccurate baseless accusation by stating people are INSISTING that it has no blame. What people did was early on state that it was POTENTIALLY not his religion, but that there wasn't enough facts to know for sure either way.
 
I love all this civil discourse.
 
apdst said:
You didn't let me down, son!...:rofl
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It's so easy to avoid the discussion by only focusing on the insult rather than the actual rebuttal, isn't it?
 
apdst said:
I love all this civil discourse.
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Hey pot...meet kettle! :2wave:

Stop ****ting up the thread and maybe you won't get gang piled by the reasonable crowd.
 
Lerxst said:
Hey pot...meet kettle! :2wave:

Stop ****ting up the thread and maybe you won't get gang piled by the reasonable crowd.
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Oh, so ya'll are the reasonable gang bang group? **** everyone else on the forum? Great message coming from the staff.
 
apdst said:
Oh, so ya'll are the reasonable gang bang group? **** everyone else on the forum? Great message coming from the staff.
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Do you plan on getting back to the discussion, or are you going to continue to play martyr?
 
apdst said:
You can't rebut my comments, so you resort to cussing. nothing new from you.
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Sorry, I subscribe to the George Carlin theory on words. There aren't any "Bad words", words are words. Words have meaning. "Bull****ting" has meaning in general conversation, namely just saying stuff for the sake of saying it hoping that someone will buy it. You wouldn't want me to be more....GASP....Politically Correct would you and say "BSing" would you?

And you've given me nothing to rebut. I've asked REPEATEDLY now to show me an example of someone INSISTING that his extremist views are in no way to blame for this and INSISTING that those that saw warning signs and did nothing are in no way to blame for this.

Once you actually provide facts to back up your assertion I'll be happy to rebut. You have to actually do that first before its possible though.
 
Zyphlin said:
Sorry, I subscribe to the George Carlin theory on words. There aren't any "Bad words", words are words. Words have meaning. "Bull****ting" has meaning in general conversation, namely just saying stuff for the sake of saying it hoping that someone will buy it. You wouldn't want me to be more....GASP....Politically Correct would you and say "BSing" would you?

And you've given me nothing to rebut. I've asked REPEATEDLY now to show me an example of someone INSISTING that his extremist views are in no way to blame for this and INSISTING that those that saw warning signs and did nothing are in no way to blame for this.

Once you actually provide facts to back up your assertion I'll be happy to rebut. You have to actually do that first before its possible though.
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You do realize that the more you talk to more you prove me right? Right?
 
apdst said:
You do realize that the more you talk to more you prove me right? Right?
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Um, nope. Unless somehow in asking you for proof that people on this forum have been insisting that there is absolutely no blame on his extremist islamist views I am somehow being translate to "I do not believe his extremist islamist views are in any way to blame for this". I don't really see any way how it can be interprited as that so....no, I'm not proving your point.

However....

YOU can prove your point, by providing a name and quote of someone still "INSISTING" that his extremist views definitively had no blame in what occured.

I'm eagerly awaiting since you want me to rebut you so much. I'll be happy to do so, or even to relent and say you're correct, I just need you to provide....you know....anything factual.
 
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