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Fort Hood Suspect Warned of Muslim Threat Within Military

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Tuesday , November 10, 2009

The Army psychiatrist suspected of killing 13 people at Fort Hood reportedly warned senior Army physicians in 2007 that the military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars to avoid "adverse events."
According to The Washington Post, Major Nidal Malik Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic during his senior year as a psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Medical Center.
Instead, Hasan lectured his supervisors and two dozen mental health staff members on Islam, homicide bombings and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting against other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.
A source who attended the presentation told the paper, "It was really strange. The senior doctors looked really upset."
The Powerpoint, entitled, "The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military," consisted of 50 slides, according to a copy obtained by the Post.
"It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims," Hasan said in the presentation...........
"There were definitely clear indications that Hasan's loyalties were not with America," Lt. Col. Val Finnell, Hasan's classmate at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He and Hasan were students in the school's public health master's degree program from 2007-2008.
"The issue here is that there's a political correctness climate in the military. They don't want to say anything because it would be considered questioning somebody's religious belief, or they're afraid of an equal opportunity lawsuit.
"I want to be clear that this wasn't about anyone questioning his religious views. It is different when you are a civilian than when you are a military officer," said Finnell, who is a physician at the Los Angeles Air Force Base.
"When you are in the military and you start making comments that are seditious, when you say you believe something other than your oath of office — someone needed to say why is this guy saying this stuff.
"He was a lightning rod. He made his views known and he was very vocal, he had extremely radical jihadist
With all the signs out there, there was a lack of action again. Liberal PC BS thinking is what led to the crap. Sensitivity training us into taking no action against anyone. Liberal good intentions just don't cut it anymore. This **** has to end.
 
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With all the signs out there, there was a lack of action again. Liberal PC BS thinking is what led to the crap. Sensitivity training us into taking no action against anyone. Liberal good intentions just don't cut it anymore. This **** has to end.

It should be obvious that this PC BS has gone too far but nothing is likely to change because we have allowed the wimps to take over and force so many really ludicrous, and preposterous ideas that invaded every part of our society. It's not only seen here in this case but Liberal influence is destroying our whole nation starting with the school system that has for years now taken incentive of of the classroom with grading systems that reward mediocrity, and it can be seen when everyone in a sport receives a trophy even they finish last because we don't want to make anyone feel less than perfect. It is this kind of thinking and teaching that leads to the PC world we find costing lives. We can't kick someone out of the Army because he's a Muslim and we might slight some of the other followers and boo hoo.

Life is not all peaches and cream deal with it and GET OVER IT.
 
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With all the signs out there, there was a lack of action again. Liberal PC BS thinking is what led to the crap. Sensitivity training us into taking no action against anyone. Liberal good intentions just don't cut it anymore. This **** has to end.

Yeah, it's clearly Liberals who are to blame here. :roll:

God forbid we actually place the blame on the Islamic extremists who are trying to infiltrate our military, or the people who saw the warning signs and did nothing.

It's sad when people use tragedy to further their own partisan hack agendas.
 
Yeah, it's clearly Liberals who are to blame here. :roll:

God forbid we actually place the blame on the Islamic extremists who are trying to infiltrate our military, or the people who saw the warning signs and did nothing.


Ya'll keep insisting that that's not happening. Which is it going to be?

It's sad when people use tragedy to further their own partisan hack agendas.

You must have been livid when the lamestream media blamed this on Bush's Wars.
 
Ya'll keep insisting that that's not happening. Which is it going to be?

Actually, some people here wanted to wait and see whether this guy had legitimate terrorist ties before jumping the gun. I don't think that's exactly unreasonable. I'm sure if the people here had seen the warning signs they would feel differently. Mere moments after the news came in, many on the right were already making assumptions. I'd rather wait to hear what the official report is before I jump to unnecessary conclusions. Call me crazy.

You must have been livid when the lamestream media blamed this on Bush's Wars.

I think it's lame when anyone uses tragedy to further their own partisan agenda.
 
Actually, some people here wanted to wait and see whether this guy had legitimate terrorist ties before jumping the gun. I don't think that's exactly unreasonable. I'm sure if the people here had seen the warning signs they would feel differently. Mere moments after the news came in, many on the right were already making assumptions. I'd rather wait to hear what the official report is before I jump to unnecessary conclusions. Call me crazy.

Yeah, there were alotta folks who automatically assumed that this was motivated by religion and, they turned out to be correct. Some folks, including yourself, keep insisting that this has nothing to do with Islamic extremism, keep apologizing for his religion and keep insisting that the dude has PTSD, when he was never deployed to a combat theater.
 
Ya'll keep insisting that that's not happening. Which is it going to be?

There's that magical "ya'll" again, akin to the "you" used by another poster.

Can you point out to any specific forum members, with quotes clearly showing their views, that have insisted extremist islamist beliefs and those that did not pick up on the warnings sides are not in part to blame?

Remember folks, guns don't kill people, people kill people, unless its a muslim person with a gun, in which case guns don't kill people, and people don't kill people, but religion kills people...ah the wonderful world of the hyper partisan hack republican.
 
There's that magical "ya'll" again, akin to the "you" used by another poster.

Can you point out to any specific forum members, with quotes clearly showing their views, that have insisted extremist islamist beliefs and those that did not pick up on the warnings sides are not in part to blame?

Are you serious? really? If I have to actually show that to you, then there's no need to do it, because you'll find some way to spin in the denial. Not gonna waste my time with it, bro.
 
Yeah, it's clearly Liberals who are to blame here. :roll:

God forbid we actually place the blame on the Islamic extremists who are trying to infiltrate our military, or the people who saw the warning signs and did nothing.

It's sad when people use tragedy to further their own partisan hack agendas.
I said liberal PC thinking, and that's how I feel about it. There is no room in the military for anything that hinders the mission or security. It would have been better to boot his ass out of the Army without counseling than to identify him as a risk and end up doing nothing for fear of some PC complaint.
 
Yeah, there were alotta folks who automatically assumed that this was motivated by religion and, they turned out to be correct. Some folks, including yourself, keep insisting that this has nothing to do with Islamic extremism, keep apologizing for his religion and keep insisting that the dude has PTSD, when he was never deployed to a combat theater.

Actually, no. Many assumed at first that he did this because he was Muslim. Remember, at this time there was no information about terrorist ties. Myself and others argued that it wasn't necessarily motivated by his religion simply because he was Muslim. We further argued that you can't blame the actions of the Islamic extremists on all of Islam, which many appeared to be doing. None of my arguments said anything about his PTSD, and in fact I think that angle is kind of a cop out. Frankly, I could care less about what motivated him. The point is that he did something horrible and should face the consequences. Nice attempt to make things up, though. :2wave:
 
Actually, no. Many assumed at first that he did this because he was Muslim. Remember, at this time there was no information about terrorist ties. Myself and others argued that it wasn't necessarily motivated by his religion simply because he was Muslim. We further argued that you can't blame the actions of the Islamic extremists on all of Islam, which many appeared to be doing. None of my arguments said anything about his PTSD, and in fact I think that angle is kind of a cop out. Frankly, I could care less about what motivated him. The point is that he did something horrible and should face the consequences. Nice attempt to make things up, though. :2wave:

You just made my point for me. Thank you!

I'm sure Zyphlin thanks you as well.
 
I said liberal PC thinking, and that's how I feel about it. There is no room in the military for anything that hinders the mission or security. It would have been better to boot his ass out of the Army without counseling than to identify him as a risk and end up doing nothing for fear of some PC complaint.

He should have been booted at the first sign of trouble. I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Liberal PC thinking, though. Why does it have to be one or the other? I think that if warning signs are seen, regardless of the person's religion or whatever, actions should be taken. His religion, in and of itself, should really have nothing to do with it. The fact the he's an extremist in his religion and that there were warning signs alluding to this should have been the main focus.
 
He should have been booted at the first sign of trouble. I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Liberal PC thinking, though. Why does it have to be one or the other? I think that if warning signs are seen, regardless of the person's religion or whatever, actions should be taken. His religion, in and of itself, should really have nothing to do with it. The fact the he's an extremist in his religion and that there were warning signs alluding to this should have been the main focus.

Despite everyone that served with him telling a different story?
 
You just made my point for me. Thank you!

I'm sure Zyphlin thanks you as well.

How did I make your point for you? What does his simply being a Muslim have to do with it? It's the fact that he's an extremist in his religion and that there were warning signs.
 
He should have been booted at the first sign of trouble. I honestly don't think it has anything to do with Liberal PC thinking, though. Why does it have to be one or the other? I think that if warning signs are seen, regardless of the person's religion or whatever, actions should be taken. His religion, in and of itself, should really have nothing to do with it. The fact the he's an extremist in his religion and that there were warning signs alluding to this should have been the main focus.
What would the US Army of WWII done with him?
 
Are you serious? really? If I have to actually show that to you, then there's no need to do it, because you'll find some way to spin in the denial. Not gonna waste my time with it, bro.

Okay. So you're admitting to just ranting and raving about a mystical, magical, imaginary friend that apparently thinks that way while addressing it to the whole forum...because you can not produce one single name and quote, let alone the plural needed for "ya'll", to show that someone on this forum insisting that his extreme islamic beliefs had absolutely no blame in this and that those that saw the warnings signs and did nothing are without blame.

Well, thanks for admitting you were just completely bull****ting with that statement since you apparently can't back it up.
 
Despite everyone that served with him telling a different story?

I think it was flat out ignorance that led to this. Of course, that doesn't help serve your partisan agenda, so you have to tag on the opposing political ideology onto it.
 
Again with the bull**** retreat into "PC is going to doom this country it's got to stop!" PC is an excuse that cowards fall back on when they don't have the balls to say what's on their mind. You don't like being labeled a fear mongering anti-Islamic asshole don't be one.

Has anyone here actually prevented you from saying what you want? What PC law is there that will jail you for exercising your freedom of speech? You cannot prove PC has ever caused a single casualty. You can get on this forum and spout ignorant rhetoric about how PC is endangering you but you can't actually substantiate it.

Military officers claiming they couldn't say anything about a radical Islamist whacko who was actively preaching to the officer corps and his patients because they feared being labeled as insensitive is crap. Those who claim that are either cowards and incompetent or they are liars.

The people who howl about PC endangering this country are really just grasping in desperation for some kind of counter to being held accountable for their ignorance. It's the only way you can slap back at people who point out how irrational you really are. You exaggerate the impact of PC because you have to. Not because it's based in any reality.

PC didn't cause this man to go unchecked, a lack of real interest in what he was doing did. If those officers actually testified to their commanders about what a nutjob this guy was something would have been done from within the Army. To say otherwise means you don't know **** about how the military works or you are willing to suspend disbelief for the purpose of forwarding your agenda.
 
What would the US Army of WWII done with him?

It probably wouldn't have even reached that point. Things were much more strict and less bull**** back then, for sure. Not to mention the fact that back then we put Japanese people into camps back then, so I'm sure we wouldn't have had qualms about booting that guy out. That's the thing, there has to be a middle ground between doing that and the way the current system is.
 
You must have been livid when the lamestream media blamed this on Bush's Wars.

Do you actually understand how the invasion of Iraq impacted the geopolitics of the Middle East? Just asking because your posts scream "no, I don't really know anything about that geopoli stuff."
 
Wrong, we didn't have PC then. What would have happened?

Sorry, your irrelevant hypothetical doesn't matter. You don't know because you didn't serve then, you can only speculate. So anything you say is worthless in this regard.

Try again.
 
You just made my point for me. Thank you!

I'm sure Zyphlin thanks you as well.

Nope, lets remember one of Rush's great wisdoms...words have meanings

Insist: be emphatic or resolute and refuse to budge

If people were "insisting" that his religion had no blame in this then they would've CONTINUED even after all the evidence was presented.

That's not the case.

Many posters did say that his religion MIGHT NOT have anything to do with it, but that it might, and they weren't going to make ASSUMPTIONS and leap to conclusions before evidence came out.

Just like many of them said when the Census worker was hung and people started just ASSUMING that it was christians and tea parties

Just like many of them said when the Muesum shooter happened and people started just ASSUMING it was done by muslims

Just like many of them said when Tiller died and people made the ASSUMPTION it was a christian.

Just like many of them said when the idiotic "B carved in her face" girl happened and people both just started to ASSUME that it was fake/real.

In all those cases sometimes the ASSUMPTION was correct (Tiller), sometimes it was wrong (Mueseum), sometimes it's still not fully known. But that's not INSISTING anything, its stating you're not going to state definitively that something is FACT when there's no EVIDENCE to back it up.

You used the word "insisting". Words have meanings. There's no one on this forum I can remember reading that has "insisted" after the actual FACTS have came out that his EXTREMIST religion views are not in some way to blame for this. And you have continued to not be able to provide a single solitary example of a case where any poster has been INSISTING that that is the case.

You flat out lied to make your partisan political point.
 
Despite everyone that served with him telling a different story?

Everyone? Everyone who served with him are saying "Liberal PC prevented them from coming forward?"

You aren't even being remotely honest now. But then again, honesty and critical thought aren't going to help your argument in this case.
 
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