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D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

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My son will not have those things in his room. So it's a moot question. ;)

If he did would you send him to his room as punishment?

If you want to equate someone's bedroom with tv, video games, computer, phone, and porn DVDs (;)) with jail....be my guest. :screwy I'm just yanking your chain by the way.

They practically have those things in prison. They have cable tv, libraries, video games(in some prisons), internet access(some prisons), college education and many other things that a lot of people on the outside of prison have to pay for and a a lot of things that regular law abiding citizens in 3rd world countries do not have.

Maybe you have personal knowledge of how great being in jail is. Who knew? :2wave:

If you took away the stabbings, butt rape and other prison violence how would it be any different than a dormitory(minus the exception that you are free to leave at any time)?
 
It's upon us now. But I've made my own thoughts about retaliatory "justice" clear enough in that there's a lack of focus on general deterrence issues. :shrug:

It will deter the shooter in question from ever committing another murder. That's a sufficient level of deterrance for me. :2wave:
 
Why should my taxpayer dollars go to fund this bastard? I'm glad he's getting a taste of what he did to 10 innocent people.

I am pretty confident that it is more expensive to the taxpayer to pay for someone to be executed than to let him/her rot in jail for the rest of his/her life.
 
If he did would you send him to his room as punishment?



They practically have those things in prison. They have cable tv, libraries, video games(in some prisons), internet access(some prisons), college education and many other things that a lot of people on the outside of prison have to pay for and a a lot of things that regular law abiding citizens in 3rd world countries do not have.



If you took away the stabbings, butt rape and other prison violence how would it be any different than a dormitory(minus the exception that you are free to leave at any time)?

I just cannot grasp anyone thinking that being in jail is actually a positive experience of some sorts.
 
The point is justice.

Why is it more just to execute him than to let him rot in prison for the rest of his life? The effect of both punishments are essentially the same except that the latter option is way cheaper.
 
It will deter the shooter in question from ever committing another murder. That's a sufficient level of deterrance for me. :2wave:

Well there's a good bet that life in prison without parole would have accomplished the same thing without all the cost associated with the DP.
 
I am pretty confident that it is more expensive to the taxpayer to pay for someone to be executed than to let him/her rot in jail for the rest of his/her life.
Do you have proof of this?
 
How many people sentenced to life without parole re-offend?

Probably well low enough to justify saving the money and just throwing people in jail for life without parole.
 
How many people sentenced to life without parole re-offend?

Many do, they can kill other prisoners, or the people sworn to protect them, and guard them.
 
How many people sentenced to life without parole re-offend?

If it provides even a hint of peace and/or redemption to the victim's families, then behead them for all I care. I don't worry about stepped-on cockroaches or dead weeds in my yard either. There's no difference.
 
Many do, they can kill other prisoners, or the people sworn to protect them, and guard them.

1. How often does this actually happen?

2. Couldn't this be mitigated with better imprisonment techniques?
 
If it provides even a hint of peace and/or redemption to the victim's families, then behead them for all I care. I don't worry about stepped-on cockroaches or dead weeds in my yard either. There's no difference.

So, you're willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars just to give a victim's family the feeling of redemption? That doesn't seem very sensible.
 
Guys like this are almost enough to make me want to repeal the 8th Amendment. Good riddance.
 
I just cannot grasp anyone thinking that being in jail is actually a positive experience of some sorts.

I never said it was a positive experience. I just said being locked in a place that has practically all the same luxuries (or more) that they do on the outside of prison is no punishment. It is going here little Billy for punching your sister in the face I want you to your room where your computer, video games, phone, and cable tv is and I want you to think about what you have done.
 
1. How often does this actually happen?

2. Couldn't this be mitigated with better imprisonment techniques?

Hey hey hey, what do you think you're doing bringing logic up in here. Kill them all! Didn't you get the memo?

But I've argued along very similar lines before. First off, violence in prison is a concern, but how often are these people eligible for the death penalty but given life in prison killing guards or prisoners. Secondly, should the people for the death penalty care if prisoners are offing prisoners? It seems like they're doing the job for them without all the costs. Third, there could be mitigation of violence and death by changes in prison techniques. I've seen "experimental" maximum security prisons where they jailed the guys in "personal" cages outside (basically a fenced in area) to cut down on yard violence, etc. And it appeared successful.

Plenty of improvements to make, and then we can get rid of the death penalty as it's archaic and no longer a necessity.
 
I never said it was a positive experience. I just said being locked in a place that has practically all the same luxuries (or more) that they do on the outside of prison is no punishment. It is going here little Billy for punching your sister in the face I want you to your room where your computer, video games, phone, and cable tv is and I want you to think about what you have done.

Yeah, but when little Billy goes to his room, is he forced to toss the salad?
 
1. How often does this actually happen?

2. Couldn't this be mitigated with better imprisonment techniques?

How often do prisoners kill other prisoners, or their guards, well.....this is a common occurance, actually. I suppose you could keep people in their cells, for their entire lives, but then that would be challenged.

I support the death penalty, many of my libertarians friends do not.....
 
The Associated Press: D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday



It's upon us now. But I've made my own thoughts about retaliatory "justice" clear enough in that there's a lack of focus on general deterrence issues. :shrug:

My belief is that when people commit certain crimes (premeditated murder, mass murder, child rape) they are, in a sense telling, the rest of us that they no longer wish to be part of society.

Their actions show that they have lost some basic human instincts and compassion, without which they are not really part of 'us' anymore. They are not even fit to live among those condemned to life in prison.

Last year, the supreme court ruled that child rapists can no longer be executed. This was a bad decision IMO.
 
lol, I don't think it accomplishes that. Idiots still reproduce more, and murder is not a common crime. Besides, in order to remove them from the gene pool you'd have to execute them before they have kids, and many of them already did produce kids.

But it's comforting to at least think it does this. Did this guy have kids? My hope is he did not.
 
How often do prisoners kill other prisoners, or their guards, well.....this is a common occurance, actually.

Do you have any data pertaining to this?

I suppose you could keep people in their cells, for their entire lives, but then that would be challenged.

The money we save from abolishing the death penalty could be used to better secure violent offenders.

I support the death penalty, many of my libertarians friends do not...

I think the death penalty is morally justifiable; I just don't think it's practical.
 
Do you have any data pertaining to this?



The money we save from abolishing the death penalty could be used to better secure violent offenders.



I think the death penalty is morally justifiable; I just don't think it's practical.

You may be surprised to learn this, but I too, think that the cost is too high. I agree with a swift and quick end to a life that has taken a life, but our system is much too costly, unfortunately. Even when the crimes are without challenge, the cost to kill a man or woman is just too costly for the average american tax payer. Perhaps if we were to release the non-violent drug offender, then.......but this will never happen.
 
Yeah, but when little Billy goes to his room, is he forced to toss the salad?

If you removed the butt rape, the stabbings and other prison violence then how is it really a punishment? Don't commit murder, rape, steal or you'll live in a nice dormitory that practically has all the same **** in it that law abiding citizens get to enjoy? If these guys turned big rocks into little rocks all day long worked in chain gangs, had no luxeries such as tvs, air conditioning, libraries, computers and many other things then the Oh lets stick them behind bars for the rest of their lives argument might hold up water. You are basically telling the victim's loved ones that they have to support their loved one's murderer for the rest of his natural life. "Sorry Chester the child molester raped and murdered little Suzy, now you all get to support Chester for the rest of his natural life".
 
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