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D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday

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disneydude said:
I doubt highly that God would be in the business of government execution.
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You mean the same God that rained down destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, flooded the earth, had all kinds of plagues in Egypt, drowned some egyptions while they were trying to chase the Israelites, had the Israelites wage war with the local inhabitants of Israel to take it from the Canaanites, had commandment that required a death penalty for various crimes and other acts and other orders or creation of death and destruction in the Bible? Are you talking about the same God?
 
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Richard Nixon said:
The amount execution costs the taxpayer is ludicrous. You can keep him rotting in a cell on his own forever for cheaper.
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Execute them quicker. Problem solved.
 
jamesrage said:
You mean the same God that rained down destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, flooded the earth, had all kinds of plagues in Egypt, drowned some egyptions while they were trying to chase the Israelites, had the Israelites wage war with the local inhabitants of Israel to take it from the Canaanites, had commandment that required a death penalty for various crimes and various others acts or orders of death and destruction in the Bible? Are you talking about the same God?
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Dude!! You took ALL my good examples.

Of course, the counter is "This was God Himself, not the State".

The question then becomes "If God is more than willing to kill those that sin, what argument is there that He opposes the state doing the same?"
 
Richard Nixon said:
Such high-profile people do. They have isolation centres in prison for these people these days that basically cuts them off from the outside world.
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Assuming you had children would you send your kids to their room as punishment if they had cellphones, computers, video games, tv, and lots of other toys to play with? This is the equivalent of sending people to prison today. Most parents with at least an ounce of common sense would not send that child to his room as a punishment or at least confiscate all the power cords,mobile electronic devices and any other thing the child could use to subvert their punishment before sending that child to his room as punishment. The prison system today has so many luxuries that one has to wonder how they are being punished. Yeah there is a threat of being stabbed, or buttraped by some closet homosexual/gay inmate, but if you removed those things they what would make prison an actual punishment? Isolated from the rest of society? Big deal, not a punishment.
 
Richard Nixon said:
The amount execution costs the taxpayer is ludicrous. You can keep him rotting in a cell on his own forever for cheaper.
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So what?

We piss away billions, and the left carps about a few measly bucks spent precisely where the Constitution permits it.
And what about the deterrent effect of executing the scum? Or the families that want closure?

You folks are upside-down ludicrous.

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LiveUninhibited said:
Pretty sure many studies show no deterrent effect for capital punishment. In fact, it seems to coincide with small increases in violence after the punishment. This could be because it legitimizes the use of lethal force against people who deserve it.

The problem with staying true to celerity (the least important of the factors in deterrence alongside the most important: certainty and 2nd: severity) in capital punishment is that is increases the risk of executing innocent people. I'm not sure how many innocent deaths at the hands of the goverment are acceptable to you.
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Have you seen many executed criminals re-offend?
 
jamesrage said:
Unfortunately the prison system is not ran by people who think like me .So unfortunately life in prison simply means libraries,tv, 3 square meals a day, free medical care, air conditioning and other luxuries that law abiding citizens in 3rd world countries only dream about. Life in prison today doesn't mean a actual punishment.
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I don't know about you, but a total lack of freedom, hanging out with a bunch of criminals with essentially no morals, having no privacy when using the bathroom, having to wear the same clothes day in and day out, being surrounded by cigarette smoke, etc. would be torture for an intellectual, classy babe like myself!

You make a good argument for why being in jail isn't so bad, but I would be surprised of those in jail feel that way.
 
aps said:
You make a good argument for why being in jail isn't so bad, but I would be surprised of those in jail feel that way.
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Hard to say because so many that get out, go right back in. Must be something about it. Easy prison sex?
 
Mach said:
Hard to say because so many that get out, go right back in. Must be something about it. Easy prison sex?
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LOL I would guess that their going back in is more related to their inability to be a law-abiding person than saying, "I miss jail sex." ;)
 
Just off the sombitch and be done with it. Let his maker deal with the murdering scumbag.
 
LiveUninhibited said:
Not so sure I trust the Heritage Foundation, but I do wish I could see the actual journal articles that it cites. Little suspicious that they established causation but the article doesn't explicate the methods of the studies in enough detail so I can't be sure.

Though I think what makes me most suspicious is the notion that deterrence can have an effect upon crimes of passion, which cannot fall under hedonistic calculus.
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How about all the researchers independent of HF?
Heritage merely compiled the info.

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aps said:
I don't know about you, but a total lack of freedom, hanging out with a bunch of criminals with essentially no morals, having no privacy when using the bathroom, having to wear the same clothes day in and day out, being surrounded by cigarette smoke, etc. would be torture for an intellectual, classy babe like myself!

You make a good argument for why being in jail isn't so bad, but I would be surprised of those in jail feel that way.
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Would you send your kids to their room as punishment if they have video games, computer,phone toys,cable tv and other things in their room? This is the equivalent of sending someone to a prison, they have the same **** on the inside as they did on the outside probably more.
 
It looks like a rat lawyer will not help him weasel out of his punishment.


TBO.com - News From AP
Nov 10, 12:13 PM EST
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Gov. Tim Kaine denied clemency Tuesday for sniper John Allen Muhammad, clearing the way for him to be executed for the attacks that terrorized the nation's capital region for three weeks in 2002
 
jamesrage said:
Would you send your kids to their room as punishment if they have video games, computer,phone toys,cable tv and other things in their room? This is the equivalent of sending someone to a prison, they have the same **** on the inside as they did on the outside probably more.
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Oh, come on, jamesrage. You can't be serious. Sending my son to his room is equivalent to spending time in jail?
 
D.C. sniper mastermind set to be executed Tuesday [/u]

My only question is:

What's with the huge delay?

There wasn't any doubt, they were caught red handed.

When is his side kick, getting the needle?

Oh, that's right. The poor little darling was a juvenile and can't be held responsible for his direct and willing participation in the murder of so many people.

BS.


Would it be insensitive to have a "HURRAY THEY"RE KILLING MOHAMMED TODAY" parade at the prison when the execution happens?
 
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disneydude said:
The government should not be in the business of execution.

Only God should decide when a person dies.
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God has decided.....too bad you are not in the loop..:2razz:
 
Richard Nixon said:
The amount execution costs the taxpayer is ludicrous. You can keep him rotting in a cell on his own forever for cheaper.
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There's an easy solution.

Kill'em quicker.

Jose Avilla, found guilty of kidnapping, raping, and then murdering five year old Samantha Runnion, left his DNA in the victim, and her DNA was found in his car.

Absolutely zero doubt that he committed the crime.

Yet he's still getting appeals and meals at taxpayer expense, when he should have been executed within a year of his conviction.

I have absolutely no problems with vengeance in cases like this. Kill him without regards to his comfort. Hanging cannot be a violation of the Eighth Amendment since that was the standard mode of executing prisoners when the Constitution was ratified. Ropes are reuseable.

If we like, we can tie a bungee cord around his neck and push him off the Golden Gate Bridge, so his toes just get wet for bouncing and strangling.

I'm sure there's a tall bridge Mohammed can be pitched off of, if the idea appeals for the this guys victims.
 
aps said:
Oh, come on, jamesrage. You can't be serious. Sending my son to his room is equivalent to spending time in jail?
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Would you send your son to his room as punishment if he has a tv, video games, computer, phone and other things in his room?
 
jamesrage said:
You mean the same God that rained down destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, flooded the earth, had all kinds of plagues in Egypt, drowned some egyptions while they were trying to chase the Israelites, had the Israelites wage war with the local inhabitants of Israel to take it from the Canaanites, had commandment that required a death penalty for various crimes and other acts and other orders or creation of death and destruction in the Bible? Are you talking about the same God?
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It's disneydude.

I think he means Karl Marx.
 
Goobieman said:
Dude!! You took ALL my good examples.

Of course, the counter is "This was God Himself, not the State".

The question then becomes "If God is more than willing to kill those that sin, what argument is there that He opposes the state doing the same?"
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The Hebrew god allowed Satan to destroy Job's life, including killing his family to win a bet with the devil.

So, nope, no biblical argument against capital punishment exists.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Every study done shows the people subject to capital punishment never re-offend.

0% recidivism.

That's one hell of an effective deterrent, I'd say.
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Yup, even the innocent ones we kill don't re-imaginary offend. Awesome.
 
jamesrage said:
Would you send your son to his room as punishment if he has a tv, video games, computer, phone and other things in his room?
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My son will not have those things in his room. So it's a moot question. ;)

If you want to equate someone's bedroom with tv, video games, computer, phone, and porn DVDs (;)) with jail....be my guest. :screwy I'm just yanking your chain by the way. Maybe you have personal knowledge of how great being in jail is. Who knew? :2wave:
 
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