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Chavez to troops: Prepare for war with Colombia

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President Hugo Chavez on Sunday ordered Venezuela's military to prepare for a possible armed conflict with Colombia, saying his country's soldiers should be ready if the United States attempts to provoke a war between the South American neighbors.

Chavez said Venezuela could end up going to war with Colombia as tensions between them rise, and he warned that if a conflict broke out "it could extend throughout the whole continent." "The best way to avoid war is preparing for it," Chavez told military officers during his weekly television and radio program. Venezuela's socialist leader has also cited a recent deal between Bogota and Washington giving U.S. troops greater access to military bases as a threat to regional stability.
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The government of Colombian President Alvaro rejected what it called "threats of war from Venezuela's government," saying it would protest Chavez's comments to the Organization of American States and the U.N. Security Council.

"Colombia never has, and never will, make an act of war," said government spokesman Cesar Mauricio Velasquez. He did not elaborate on Colombia's plans to bring the issue to the OAS and the United Nations. Colombian and U.S. officials have repeatedly said Venezuela shouldn't be concerned about the base deal since it is aimed exclusively at boosting the fight against drug traffickers and insurgents in Colombia, which is a major cocaine producer struggling with a decades-old internal conflict.

Chavez to troops: Prepare for war with Colombia - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review

Things are heating uppp!
 
I have wondered for while if the claims of incursions by Columbia into Venezuela were real or part of a Chavez orchestrated propaganda campaign not unlike that used by the NAZIs in 1939 Poland. But I don't hear what could be described as vehement denials by Colombian President Alvaro.
We read about FARC using the border between the two for resupply and this story of four men on motorcycles shot and killed two Venezuelan National Guard troops at a checkpoint near the border in Venezuela's western Tachira state. These stories all fall into line with unsubstantiated stories that could be set ups and propaganda.
I can't imagine Obama doing anything to help depose his pal Chavez or helping anyone against any Anti-American forces anywhere in the world. Hell he can't even call the War on Terror what it is because it might upset his fellow believers. Just look at Obama's reaction or should I say Non reaction to the terror attack at Ft. Hood. What did he say? We should not jump to conclusions or words to that effect. It was clear what it was to Americans.
 
The Messianic Speech Writing Team and Teleprompter Puppeteers are working over time preparing for the industrial strength apology the Messiah will utter when his friend in Venezuela attacks Columbia.

Troops will be sent only if it appears Chavez is losing, to help Hugo.
 
Troops will be sent only if it appears Chavez is losing, to help Hugo.
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I have to disagree with this much of what you said because Obama will not lift a finger to help our own troops in Afghanistan who are fighting for us.
 
Agnapostate said:
Good for him. That continent's had enough of the corrupt neoliberalism of the likes of Alvaro Uribe and his ilk.
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Yes Komrade,it must be replaced by corrupt communist regime instead.
 
Agnapostate said:
What's "communist" about market socialism, exactly? :confused:
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Chavez isnt interested in "market" socialism....Would you object if I call it Soviet style communist regime instead?
 
Strucky said:
Yes Komrade,it must be replaced by corrupt communist regime instead.
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The latter has a much better record in terms of literacy, infant mortality, acesss to higher education, and poverty rates so ild class the latter as a necessary evil.Hence why it wins elections.
 
Strucky said:
Chavez isnt interested in "market" socialism....Would you object if I call it Soviet style communist regime instead?
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That's perhaps true, as there isn't socialism of any sort present in Venezuela at present. There's perhaps an approximation of social democratic capitalism, but public ownership and management of the means of production has not been implemented.

Feel free to refer to the politico-economic structure of that country as "Soviet style communism," except that communism wasn't present in the USSR because money, markets, and the state were not abolished, and the state capitalism of the Soviet Union isn't present in Venezuela because of the reliance on cooperatives and decentralized economic management. Other than that, you're spot-on, though. :2wave:
 
Red_Dave said:
The latter has a much better record in terms of literacy, infant mortality, acesss to higher education,
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Link please.

and poverty rates
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Everyone is equally poor in communist countries.

Hence why it wins elections.
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I havent heard of many communists winning a fair election.
 
Strucky said:
Link please.



Everyone is equally poor in communist countries.



I havent heard of many communists winning a fair election.
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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index]List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]* That wee green arrow next to venuzuela should point you in the correct direction.

Also have a look at this article

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Venezuela_page/MrDanger_BolivarianRevol.html

*Venezuela has been declared free of illiteracy by UNESCO
* Infant mortality has been significantly lowered
* 70 percent of its citizens now have free health services in their communities
* Almost half the population is studying
* Poverty dropped to 37 percent in 2005
* The economy grew by 9.4 percent in 2005, the highest in Latin America, with most of this growth occurring in the non-oil sector (increased by 10.3 percent, while the oil sector increased 1.2 percent)
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Now you show me some evidence that the elections are inadequate.
 
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You guys sure this just isn't about a soccer match?
 
Strucky said:
:confused: What exactly does this prove?






your going to have to specify what you are talking about....I stated I havent heard of many communists winning fair elections.
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You see the arrow pointing upwards? that marks an improvement in a countries human development index. I.E the situation as regards the criteria the human development index assesses*, (such as those i mentioned) has improved. And if those stats arent enough for you then i refer you to the stats in the thrid world traveller article. If you did not wish to insinuate that the elections where inadequate then what exactly was your point?

The Human Development Index (HDI) is a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standards of living for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. It is used to distinguish whether the country is a developed, a developing or an under-developed country, and also to measure the impact of economic policies on quality of life. The index was developed in 1990 by Pakistani economist Mahbub ul Haq and Indian economist Amartya Sen.[1]
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Red_Dave said:
You see the arrow pointing upwards? that marks an improvement in a countries human development index. I.E the situation as regards the criteria the human development index assesses*, (such as those i mentioned) has improved. And if those stats arent enough for you then i refer you to the stats in the thrid world traveller article.
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I fail to see why a .011 gain is somehow important.



If you did not wish to insinuate that the elections where inadequate then what exactly was your point?
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What election are you talking about?I never singled out any election.
 
Strucky said:
I fail to see why a .011 gain is somehow important.





What election are you talking about?I never singled out any election.
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Thats in one year, give credit where its due.You think all this is unimportant as well ?

*Venezuela has been declared free of illiteracy by UNESCO
* Infant mortality has been significantly lowered
* 70 percent of its citizens now have free health services in their communities
* Almost half the population is studying
* Poverty dropped to 37 percent in 2005
* The economy grew by 9.4 percent in 2005, the highest in Latin America, with most of this growth occurring in the non-oil sector (increased by 10.3 percent, while the oil sector increased 1.2 percent)
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Any election you want, it was you who insinuated they were indequate, if this was not what you insinuated then what was your point.
 
Red_Dave said:
List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia* That wee green arrow next to venuzuela should point you in the correct direction.

Also have a look at this article

Mr. Danger and Socialism for the New Millennium The Venezuelan Bolivarian revolution by Maria Pez Victor

Now you show me some evidence that the elections are inadequate.
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The good 'ol days, when they were close buds.
zimmer-albums-conservitoons-picture92-obama-chavez-ready-kiss.jpg

LOL... I'm writing this as they're showing the last in a long line of failed former Commie leaders... bird s**thead Gorby...

Ahh... now they've flipped to Prague and the tanks coming in to save the masses.

PS. You forgot full employment and equality.

Now everyone, off to the rice paddies.

HEY! Where are you lot going?
No, no, no... to the Gulag for you guys.

Does North Korea enjoy full employment too?
Thought so.

Have you lived in a former Commie country? Just curious.
I think waiting in long lines to buy whatever is inside, because there is a long line would be fun.
You go to the counter... go to another counter with a slip of paper to get whatever, then you go pay.
That's how you get full employment. 3 people doing the work of 1/2 a person. Doing things as slow as they can.

I think waiting for a phone for ten years would be fun too.
Sure would cut down on all that consum'in goin on.

As for Chavez. I hope he tries a swift one. Then we'll have three wars going on.

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zimmer said:
PS. You forgot full employment and equality.
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Good thing you mentioned it; you're always so insightful. :2wave:

As noted by Robin Hahnel, "the Venezuelan economy deteriorated during the 1980s and most of the 1990s. From 1998 to 2003 real per capita GDP continued to stagnate while the Chavez government survived two general strikes by the largest Venezuelan business association, a military coup, and finally a devastating two month strike by the state owned oil company. However, after Chavez survived the opposition sponsored recall election, annual economic growth was 18.3% in 2004, 10.3% in 2005, and 10.3% in 2006, and the unemployment rate fell from 18.4 % in June 2003 to 8.3% in June 2007. Moreover, most of the growth was in the non-oil sectors of the economy, as the oil sector barely grew during 2005 and 2006. While this impressive growth would not have been possible without the rise in international oil prices, it also would not have been possible had the Chavez government not ignored the warnings of neoliberal critics and pursued aggressive expansionary fiscal and monetary policies."
 
zimmer said:
The good 'ol days, when they were close buds.
zimmer-albums-conservitoons-picture92-obama-chavez-ready-kiss.jpg

LOL... I'm writing this as they're showing the last in a long line of failed former Commie leaders... bird s**thead Gorby...

Ahh... now they've flipped to Prague and the tanks coming in to save the masses.

PS. You forgot full employment and equality.

Now everyone, off to the rice paddies.

HEY! Where are you lot going?
No, no, no... to the Gulag for you guys.

Does North Korea enjoy full employment too?
Thought so.

Have you lived in a former Commie country? Just curious.
I think waiting in long lines to buy whatever is inside, because there is a long line would be fun.
You go to the counter... go to another counter with a slip of paper to get whatever, then you go pay.
That's how you get full employment. 3 people doing the work of 1/2 a person.

I think waiting for a phone for ten years would be fun too.
Sure would cut down on all that consum'in goin on.

As Chavez. I hope he tries a swift one. Then we'll have three wars going on.


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Would you like to add a rebuttal to that? I dont recall having EVER defended the Soviet Union or North Korea. Espicially not over the prague spring in which i would side with the Czechs.
 
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Red_Dave said:
Would you like to add a rebuttal to that? I dont recall having EVER defended the Soviet Union or North Korea. Espicially not over the prague spring in which i would side with the Czechs.
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I'm watching tube, while I work and play (this is the sand box)... they're running through Commi's greatest hits it looks like (sound is off).

Just commenting, as it seems fitting when discussing Hugo.

Great things await Venezuela, with all their educated slaves. Sounds like paradise in the making. Sorta like Cuba, but with better looking women.

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zimmer said:
I'm watching tube, while I work and play (this is the sand box)... they're running through Commi's greatest hits it looks like (sound is off).

Just commenting, as it seems fitting when discussing Hugo.

Great things await Venezuela, with all their educated slaves. Sounds like paradise in the making. Sorta like Cuba, but with better looking women.

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Your failure to provide a rebutal is noted.
 
Red_Dave said:
Thats in one year, give credit where its due.You think all this is unimportant as well ?
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Yes,one year......


Any election you want, it was you who insinuated they were indequate, if this was not what you insinuated then what was your point.
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Then go ahead and dig up an election that a Communist won.
 
I thought you just said Chavez was a "communist." If he's a communist, then he's a communist who won several elections and survived a recall attempt handily. :shrug:
 
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