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Cao Jolts the House

Oftencold said:
He was member of the British Parliament, and is considered a model for an elected representative.
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Sure. In the UK.

In the U.S., we have a representative democracy, which means that elected officials are to represent the interests and wishes of their constituency.

Thanks for playing, though.
 
disneydude said:
The Huffington Post is as left-leaning as Rasmussen is right-leaning. They both are generally accepted as decent pollsters.
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Rasmussen is on of the most accurate pollsters out there.
 
disneydude said:
I think you are wrong. The vast majority of American people support healthcare reform AND having a public option.
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Only the majority of koolaid drinkers. Americans don't support this. They know "scam" when they see it.

Has anyone bothered to comment on the fact that the bill passed 220:215, and that this guys one vote was irrelevant and thus more than likely allowed by the House Minority Whip to keep that district in America's column after the 2010 elections?
 
Strucky said:
Rasmussen is on of the most accurate pollsters out there.
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I'm not saying that they aren't. They are generally accepted in the polling community, as it Huffington Post. HP is generally viewed as left-leaning, Rasmussen as right-leaning, but both are generally considered credible.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Only the majority of koolaid drinkers. Americans don't support this. They know "scam" when they see it.

Has anyone bothered to comment on the fact that the bill passed 220:215, and that this guys one vote was irrelevant and thus more than likely allowed by the House Minority Whip to keep that district in America's column after the 2010 elections?
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Sorry Scarecrow. You can view the vast majority of America as "Kool-aid" drinkers if you want. The reality is, most Americans want to see healthcare reform and most want a public option. Most Americans are tired of insurance companies lining their pockets off the health of the American consumer. The Republican party wants to get insurance companies in their backpocket....even if it means voting against the interests of the American public.
 
disneydude said:
The Huffington Post is as left-leaning as Rasmussen is right-leaning. They both are generally accepted as decent pollsters.
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No, Rasmussen is a mainstream polling firm that does NOTHING but polls. Huffington, is a rabid liberal , at least she is now. A few years ago, she was a rabid righty. Her current goal is to get as much traffic as possible onto her blog so that she makes the most money possible from advertising.

This survey was paid for by MoveOn.org. Nuff said.

Rasmussen hit the last presidential election dead on. When they post poll results, you can take them to the bank.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Sure. In the UK.

In the U.S., we have a representative democracy, which means that elected officials are to represent the interests and wishes of their constituency.

Thanks for playing, though.
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Right.

And when the interests and the desires of the constituents are at odds, the elected representative is supposed to look out for the interests, not the desires, with one major caveat:

It has to be contained inside the Constitution.

Every single Congressman that voted for this bill violated the Constitution.
 
Gill said:
No, Rasmussen is a mainstream polling firm that does NOTHING but polls. Huffington, is a rabid liberal , at least she is now. A few years ago, she was a rabid righty. Her current goal is to get as much traffic as possible onto her blog so that she makes the most money possible from advertising.

This survey was paid for by MoveOn.org. Nuff said.

Rasmussen hit the last presidential election dead on. When they post poll results, you can take them to the bank.
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Whatever Dude.....you know what they say about opinions.

I like Rasmussen...I watch their polls closely...as I do many others, including Huffington who is also a very credible pollster and was pretty accurate in the last election as well.
 
disneydude said:
Sorry Scarecrow. You can view the vast majority of America as "Kool-aid" drinkers if you want.
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The majority of Americans don't want Messiah Care, and thus aren't koolaid drinkers.

Not to forget to mention that your Messiah lost the entire Independent vote in two states just last week, and so where the hell do you get off saying anything about what the majority actually wants, when they've made it clear they're rejecting your Messiah?


Are you people going to argue that one single vote from one single congressman in "Chocolate City" is going to refute the votes of people in two states showing a negative referendum on your Messiah's ability to lead this nation?
 
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disneydude said:
Whatever Dude.....you know what they say about opinions.

I like Rasmussen...I watch their polls closely...as I do many others, including Huffington who is also a very credible pollster and was pretty accurate in the last election as well.
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I am not sure Huffington does her own polls. She reports on other people's.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The majority of Americans don't want Messiah Care, and thus aren't koolaid drinkers.

Not to forget to mention that your Messiah lost the entire Independent vote in two states just last week, and so where the hell do you get off saying anything about what the majority actually wants, when they've made it clear they're rejecting your Messiah?
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Wow....nice spin on that one.

I don't think that you can extrapolate anything close to what you are attempting to claim from two governor races.....the same could be said about the rejection of the anti-Obama crowd from the d-23 congressional race.
 
disneydude said:
Wow....nice spin on that one.

I don't think that you can extrapolate anything close to what you are attempting to claim from two governor races.
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Yes, I can.

I just did.

Historically, its significant.

disneydude said:
...the same could be said about the rejection of the anti-Obama crowd from the d-23 congressional race.
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No, it can't.

The Democrat wasn't running against the GOP and the mechanics of that election were severely skewed by the flakiness of the GOP nominee. What can be concluded from that election is that a third party candidate with no history and no experience managed to make it a real damn horse race, which is not a good sign for the socialists and Messiah Worshippers.
 
danarhea said:
In other words, the Republican party backed a candidate who was not a Conservative in order to win a seat, with the result being the same as if the Democrat had won. I am not surprised.
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This is why I laugh when republicans try to argue that a liberal republican is somehow better than a democrat republican or when republicans were "Oh my gosh your voting for a 3rd party candidate!Your handing the seat to the democrats, your throwing your vote away".
 
disneydude said:
The Huffington Post is as left-leaning as Rasmussen is right-leaning. They both are generally accepted as decent pollsters.
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Disney... you really love to nip at the ol Kool-Aid all day long dontcha?
Here is a can of ass-whoop to go along with yer juice. What flavor today?

http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf

Most Accurate Polls for 2008 Virginia Virtucon

SurveyUSA Blog Archive 2008 Pollster Report Card, Updated To Include Potomac Primaries

In one he is middle of the pack, in the other he is #1.

Try again.

Don't spill any of yer juice... it's in short supply and soon to be taken off the shelves for mental health reasons.

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disneydude said:
That's why we elect congress people to represent us.
I have faith that my congressman knew what was in the bill when he voted.
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Now why in Earth, the Heavens Above or the Principalities Below would you assume that your Representative knew what was in the Bill in any meaningful way?
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Think of the brightest person you know, besides me of course, and ask yourself if they could conceivably be familiar with a hodge-podge, 2000 page legaleeze document dealing with technical issues of government, insurance taxation and finance, that was only published a few days ago!

THINK!

It would be virtually impossible for any human being to understand what is in this abomination. it is a collection of parts, not a whole.
 
disneydude said:
I think you are wrong. The vast majority of American people support healthcare reform AND having a public option.
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Not even a majority of Americans are in favor of this bill. Much less a vast majority. Haven't you been watching the reactions to this bill and the others like it?
 
disneydude said:
The second part of this is just silly and doesn't warrant a legitimate response.
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Oh? But you stated something to the effect that your Representative is supposed to give the people what they want!

Did you not wish for your remarks to be taken seriously? You said I believe, "God forbid that congress people represent what the people want." If you don't want the rationale of your posts examined, pleas let me know, and i;'ll consider them mere fancies in future.

Until such time however, I shall assume that you have at least a reasonable level of intelligence and integrity and treat your material accordingly. This would include drawing conclusions from the logical extensions of your assertions.
 
The US House of Representatives was originally modeled after the British House of Commons. You see?
 
apdst said:
Not even a majority of Americans are in favor of this bill. Much less a vast majority. Haven't you been watching the reactions to this bill and the others like it?
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You mean those feigned outrages by the teabag crew?
 
disneydude said:
the same could be said about the rejection of the anti-Obama crowd from the d-23 congressional race.
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Hoffman went from being unknown 30 days before election day to being within striking distance of winning an election against both a Democrat AND Republican.
 
Strucky said:
Hoffman went from being unknown 30 days before election day to being within striking distance of winning an election against both a Democrat AND Republican.
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In a largely conservative district that the Republican hadn't lost in decades...in fact won by a margin of 35 points or more in every election.
Sorry....but this race was a disaster for conservative politics.
 
disneydude said:
In a largely conservative district that the Republican hadn't lost in decades...in fact won by a margin of 35 points or more in every election.
Sorry....but this race was a disaster for conservative politics.
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No it wasnt....If it repeats next year then I would agree it's a disaster.
 
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