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Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

Erod said:
Caught a guy trying to blow up a building in Dallas, plus other sleeper cells in the northeast. This particularly guy pulled off his jihad at Fort Hood.

Something tells me we're in for about 150 more of these in the next few years.
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And you're basing this on...?

The fact that you're referring to the next 3 years in particular indicates that you think this is somehow related to Obama. Can you elaborate on that?

Goobieman said:
Actually no -- that 1000 is if the 1% of the 1% of the 1% succeed.
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My apologies, that's what I meant to say. Again, I don't think anyone would disagree with this. There were approximately 3k terrorist attacks in Iraq back in 05, so I'd even say the number is higher.

I'd agree with this. It does, however, recduce the argument that Muslin extremism isnt a legitmate threat beause 'so few' Muslims are willing to commit acts of terrorism to achieve their goals.
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I don't see how it does. Nobody is arguing that Islamic extremism is not a legitimate threat. What people are arguing is that it's foolish to paint all Muslims with the brush of Islamic extremism, which is what several people have been doing.

Furthermore, the fact that there are a large number (in absolute terms) of Muslims outside the US who commit acts of terrorism to achieve their goals doesn't have much to do with the fact that there are very few Muslims in the US who commit acts of terrorism to achieve their goals.
 
RightinNYC said:
Let's set aside the obvious issues with relying on hearsay (and hearsay within hearsay) and turn to a related question.
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These statements are backed up by multiple sources, and the mans own internet postings.

And this isn't hearsay, the man isn't saying that he heard from someone that he said this, he said he heard him say this, that is eyewitness testimony not hearsay evidence.

What are your thoughts on hate crime legislation?
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I agree with it in regards to sentencing enhancements for actions which are already crimes.
 
I think the Muslims should rise up too. They are a lot easier to hit that way. :mrgreen:



Just kiddin' y'all. Just wishing everyone a happy weekend with my usual, cynical, one-liners. It's what I do.
 
Elena said:
Did it cross your mind that it might have been motivated by the US "crusade" and the fact your country is currently occupying two Muslim states and is threatening the third one?
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So America is on a "crusade" to what exactly? Free people from extremism, and dictators so that they can NOT take any treasure, or land, and in fact hand back a more free society.....yeah we are terrible.


j-mac
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Who cares what his motivation was?
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Nice.
It isnt.
It isnt.
It isnt.
And when it is...


Who cares if it is?....

.:rofl

You guys need to take this show on the road. If the subject was not quite so grim and looming it would be quite entertaining to observe you guys madly caper about in an effort to avoid the logical smoke/fire conclusion.
 
We can debate all day why we think he did what he did and it will make no difference.

The only way we will now what all of his motivations where is when he tells us.

And after you find out I don't think you will be the smarter for it.

What will make a difference is to lesson to people fully and get there world views and respond with actions that make every one feel honored and heard.

If you in your life really got to know every one around you you may make a difference with some one.

Agent Ferris said:
You mean the response to Islamist imperialist expansionism?
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Elena said:
You have to be American to see it that way.
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Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion on the Russian government's actions in Chechnya and other Muslim areas of the Caucuses?
 
j-mac said:
So America is on a "crusade" to what exactly?
j-mac
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Ask Bush. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br_70Kbdpow&feature=related"]YouTube- BushCult's "Crusade" statement[/ame]
 
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I will never be able to look at these cartoons the same way again.
 
Does it really matter if this guy was a "jihadist" (whatever that means)? He's already in custody, so does it really have any policy implications one way or the other? I suspect this is just a thinly veiled effort to bash Muslims, rather than anyone genuinely caring about his motives.
 
Elena said:
Ask Bush. YouTube- BushCult's "Crusade" statement
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There is a tendency for some Muslims to take some things too literally. The Koran, when it comes to Jihad and in this case GWB's use of the word, "crusade." He wasn't speaking of that kind of Crusade.

It's doubtful he was even aware of what the Crusade was about at that time.
 
Kandahar said:
I suspect this is just a thinly veiled effort to bash Muslims, rather than anyone genuinely caring about his motives.
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Yes, everyone who points out that a murderer was an Islamic extremist obviously hates Muslims.

I don't so much care about the motive (although saying "it doesn't matter" over and over and over again is odd, because I've never seen people do this with murderers who had other motives) as I am disgusted with the PC crap so many members are spewing here.

And FYI, since we're, you know, at war with Islamic extremists, just because the motive doesn't matter to policy doesn't mean it isn't worthy of note.
 
Dav said:
Yes, everyone who points out that a murderer was an Islamic extremist obviously hates Muslims.
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Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman. Or constantly referring to Bernie Madoff as a greedy Jew. If someone constantly referred to them in those terms, wouldn't you think that was a bit racist?

Dav said:
I don't so much care about the motive (although saying "it doesn't matter" over and over and over again is odd, because I've never seen people do this with murderers who had other motives) as I am disgusted with the PC crap so many members are spewing here.
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Over and over again? I said it once. If there is no policy implication either way, what's the point in speculating on his motives? How should anyone know what his motives were, aside from the tiny soundbites that have been broadcast in the media anyway?

Dav said:
And FYI, since we're, you know, at war with Islamic extremists, just because the motive doesn't matter to policy doesn't mean it isn't worthy of note.
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Well, consider it noted! Now then, do you think it should affect our policy/response in some way?
 
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Agent Ferris said:
Anyone still want to argue that this wasn't religiously motivated and that he wasn't a jihadist?
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I listened to NPR and some reports seem to suggest that he was strongly religious, a strong Muslim and against the war. Other reports indicated that he was happy with the military but wasn't looking forward to being shipped out. Others mentioned the possibility of a mental health issue of working with others with bad war experiences. I'd say I would hold off on making any judgments until more of this plays out.

Lots of roles to consider. He was a Major in the US Military. A psychiatrist and a Muslim.
 
Kandahar said:
Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman. Or constantly referring to Bernie Madoff as a greedy Jew. If someone constantly referred to them in those terms, wouldn't you think that was a bit racist?
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Bad analogy, since the guy used his religion as motivation for the murders. OJ did not kill a white woman because he was racist against whites, but if he had done so, and if his doing so was part of a larger black movement against whites, not actively ignoring these facts would not make you racist.

Over and over again? I said it once.
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You personally said it only once, but the statement has appeared in this thread and others over and over and over again.

If there is no policy implication either way, what's the point in speculating on his motives? How should anyone know what his motives were, aside from the tiny soundbites that have been broadcast in the media anyway?
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Hell, what's the point in even mentioning the murders in the first place if they don't have any policy implications? Maybe we should stop making threads about them.

When people hear a story- especially one with such damaging effects in real life- they want to hear the whole thing. The fact that the part of the story where the guy is an Islamic extremist makes the PC in some people queasy does not change this fact.

Well, consider it noted! Now then, do you think it should affect our policy/response in some way?
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I don't know, but the fact that we're supposed to be fighting people like this abroad so that we don't have to deal with them at home, and suddenly we are dealing with these people at home, is frightening, so it certainly affects one's emotional response.
 
Kandahar said:
Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman. Or constantly referring to Bernie Madoff as a greedy Jew. If someone constantly referred to them in those terms, wouldn't you think that was a bit racist?
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More Apologism that Intentionally, or more likely, vacuusously misses the point.

If OJ had killed his wife because she was white and he has black (and it was a national/intl problem and part of some major/his religion's Scripture; and/or yelled "long live the Black Panthers/Elijah Mohamed" as he stabbed her) .. it WOULD have had wider implications.

If Madoff had fleeced non-Jews (instead of mainly Jews) because they were non-Jews (and it was a national/intl problem and part of His Scripture, and Professed "Scam to the Goyim").. it also WOULD have wider implications about the Jewish population of this country.

So Your Comparsion is completely Inapt and the usual ultra-tiresome Apologism for Islam/Islamism/Jihad/ because it IS part of His/Hasan's "Allah Akhbar" (DUCK!) Scripture.. and BTW, the world's largest cause of intentional violent death... which already IS a worldwide and daily problem.
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Kandahar said:
Why else would you bring it up? It's like obsessing over the fact that OJ Simpson was black, and constantly referring to him as the black killer of a white woman.?
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If he killed her because she was white that might make some sense.
 
bhkad said:
There is a tendency for some Muslims to take some things too literally. .
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Can you blame them for that? Two muslim countries are already under an occupation and the third one is threatened.
 
Elena said:
Can you blame them for that? Two muslim countries are already under an occupation and the third one is threatened.
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Not all Muslims think that way.
 
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