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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Ahmed Shaheen said:
Muslims allover the world got much bigger worries than hold a big banner and walk with it down the street . Its not their problem if you watch too much TV .
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And we've got much bigger worries too. How about some asshole, somewhere in desert, wants me dead. For no reason other than his own personal delusions...I mean...convictions.
 
SgtRock said:
I want to believe that hundreds of millions of believers are peaceful. I want them to prove it to the rest of the civilized world by standing up in mass protest against those who have hijacked thier religion. Not only will this convince an old islamophobe like me and millions of other peace loving people, but it will also cause a reformation of islam.
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Why should they care when it's evident that we don't care until it happens to us?
 
EpicDude86 said:
And we've got much bigger worries too. How about some asshole, somewhere in desert, wants me dead. For no reason other than his own personal delusions...I mean...convictions.
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Good news, He is not coming for you only.

Bad news, you cant even reach him to change his mind ;)
 
apdst said:
How do you explain why all those peace loving, everybody love everybody Muslims can't put Islamic extremism to bed, forever? Why aren't Muslims in the street right now voicing their outrage over Islamic extremism? Why do Islamofacists find sanctuary in the Muslim community? Why don't Muslims, who know of extemist mosques, expose those mosques and the people who frequent them?
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Give me a list of organizations and I would be glad to compile the reasons why they are finding sanctuary where they are.
 
apdst said:
How do you explain why all those peace loving, everybody love everybody Muslims can't put Islamic extremism to bed, forever? Why aren't Muslims in the street right now voicing their outrage over Islamic extremism? Why do Islamofacists find sanctuary in the Muslim community? Why don't Muslims, who know of extemist mosques, expose those mosques and the people who frequent them?
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Fear.

The vast majority of victims of Islamic extremism are Muslims themselves. They kill their own a lot more often than they kill infidels. I'm thinking it's a lot like the Mafia problem in Italy, no matter how hard the Italian government fought to eradicate it, they've never really been able to rid the country of that cancer because a lot of people ended up "protecting" the Mafia thugs out of fear for their own lives and their family's safety.
 
Arcana XV said:
Fear.
...... because a lot of people ended up "protecting" the Mafia thugs out of fear for their own lives and their family's safety.
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That what really happens behind scenes in some operations .
 
Arch Enemy said:
Why should they care when it's evident that we don't care until it happens to us?
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It's their religion that gets mucked up by the fallout. They should care more than anyone. They sure as hell care when a non-Muslim insults Islam.
 
apdst said:
It's their religion that gets mucked up by the fallout. They should care more than anyone. They sure as hell care when a non-Muslim insults Islam.
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Yes, I do hate Bin Laden, and I do hate when somebody insult Islam .. But where is Bin Laden .
Got the point ?
 
apdst said:
It's their religion that gets mucked up by the fallout. They should care more than anyone. They sure as hell care when a non-Muslim insults Islam.
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Who is "they"? Be more specific.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Yes, I do hate Bin Laden, and I do hate when somebody insult Islam .. But where is Bin Laden .
Got the point ?
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It's in the American Conservative repertoire to group Bin Laden and Islamists in one kettle. It's sheer ignorance that is only fueled by ugly hatred.

There's a damn good reason why Bin Laden isn't in the Middle East.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Yes, I do hate Bin Laden, and I do hate when somebody insult Islam .. But where is Bin Laden .
Got the point ?
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The sad part, is that you hate anyone that insults Islam more than you do UBL.
 
apdst said:
The sad part, is that you hate anyone that insults Islam more than you do UBL.
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That's a pathetic response apdst. You're no longer debating you are throwing ridiculous statements at people.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Greater Jihad : To inhibit yourself from forbidden desires .

Lesser Jihad : To fight your enemies inside the battlefield

Battlefield : "A place where the battle is fought", then there must be 2 fighting parties, where the friend/foe are known . That's how all wars in Islam goes .

About that "suicide bombers" I'd read an answer of a famous Sheikh : Bin Othaimin when asked about bomb suicide :

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Sorry for bad translation, but the dictionary didn't help a lot.

I'd read an article of a book called "Self-bombing, between intolerance and depression" that analyze the exact mental state of the suicide . I think that really goes with suicide bomber's mind.

Anyway What Major Nidal did may not consider a suicide, but still forbidden in Islam for many reasons, least of them is betrayal, "how can you shoot them while they protect you".
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Is that sheik very popular?
 
apdst said:
The sad part, is that you hate anyone that insults Islam more than you do UBL.
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Not
If you looked for the reason why Islam is Insulted, you'll find a clear picture of UBL in the back .
 
Arch Enemy said:
It's in the American Conservative repertoire to group Bin Laden and Islamists in one kettle. It's sheer ignorance that is only fueled by ugly hatred.

There's a damn good reason why Bin Laden isn't in the Middle East.
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What? Are we training him to fight the Soviets again? is he back at Ft. Bragg?
 
Arch Enemy said:
It's in the American Conservative repertoire to group Bin Laden and Islamists in one kettle. It's sheer ignorance that is only fueled by ugly hatred.

There's a damn good reason why Bin Laden isn't in the Middle East.
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Thank you, you obviously get it.

Excellent post, unfortunately it will fly so high over some peoples heads that it will be off the radar.

Damn smart people and their smart talk.

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bhkad said:
How much excess negative baggage should we be expected to tolerate?
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Identify this excess baggage you speak of. Is it similar to the massive child molestation cover up of the Catholic church kind of baggage in which untold numbers of young boys were violated repeatedly by their priests? Or is the intrusive and judgmental "all gays are sick perverts who are going to rot in hell" kind of excess baggage that the Christians dumped on us?

Is it those kinds of baggage or different? Please explain.
 
Lerxst said:
Identify this excess baggage you speak of. Is it similar to the massive child molestation cover up of the Catholic church kind of baggage in which untold numbers of young boys were violated repeatedly by their priests? Or is the intrusive and judgmental "all gays are sick perverts who are going to rot in hell" kind of excess baggage that the Christians dumped on us?

Is it those kinds of baggage or different? Please explain.
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Somehow I knew this was coming. it's like the ****ing race card.
 
bhkad said:
Not saying this is my credo, but what is the answer?
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No, it is your credo. That is obvious. And the answer is to not think like you do. The answer is reason, logic, and intelligence. It's moving beyond your irrational fear of a religion and examining the underlying reasons behind why a relatively small number of Muslims embrace violence and an overwhelming majority do not.

Here's a hint, it's not an issue that's determined by religion.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Somehow I knew this was coming. it's like the ****ing race card.
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Not at all. How is it remotely like the race card? Fear of a religion is an irrational fear. It leads to ignorant sweeping indictments of an entire group of people. It leads the abandonment of critical examination of the actual problem and substituting in stupid and ambiguous statements like "Islam brings too much excess baggage to be tolerated."

Horse ****. There was no "race card" played here. I just went down a road nobody likes to talk about. "Oh Mohammad was a child molester!!!!" Oh yeah, so was Father O'Malley and who knows how many other Catholic priests. So do we condemn all of Catholicism? Even though we know there was a massive culture of covering these allegations up for the good of the church? Oh hell no...that would be CRAZY!!!! You can't blame the Catholic church because of a relative small number of perverts.

Get it?
 
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Lerxst said:
No, it is your credo. That is obvious. And the answer is to not think like you do. The answer is reason, logic, and intelligence. It's moving beyond your irrational fear of a religion and examining the underlying reasons behind why a relatively small number of Muslims embrace violence and an overwhelming majority do not.

Here's a hint, it's not an issue that's determined by religion.
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More like:
relatively small number of Muslims embrace violence and an overwhelming majority do not care or show their reaction one way or another.


Islam is kind of like a nice, big, cultural family who goes out to dinner at Chez Earth, and they let their mentally unstable cousin with violent tendencies run about the place tearing **** up while they just sit and enjoy their falafel without so much as a "Hey, Asshat, Sit down and eat your falafel before I go Muhammad, Praise be upon him, on your ass!"
 
:dohWow I find myself agreeing with BOTH of you two.:doh
 
Lerxst said:
Not at all. How is it remotely like the race card? Fear of a religion is an irrational fear. It leads to ignorant sweeping indictments of an entire group of people. It leads the abandonment of critical examination of the actual problem and substituting in stupid and ambiguous statements like "Islam brings too much excess baggage to be tolerated."

Horse ****. There was no "race card" played here. I just went down a road nobody like to talk about. "Oh Mohammad was a child molester!!!!" Oh yeah, so was Father O'Malley and who knows how many other Catholic priests. So do we condemn all of Catholicism? Even though we know there was a massive culture of covering these allegations up for the good of the church? Oh hell no...that would be CRAZY!!!! You can't blame the Catholic church because of a relative small number of perverts.

Get it?
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I meant race card as in, Bull**** argument based on stereotypes. twas a simile (a comparison using the words like or as).


Most people would if they could,

and...they do.
 
EpicDude86 said:
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relatively small number of Muslims embrace violence and an overwhelming majority do not care or show their reaction one way or another.


Islam is kind of like a nice, big, cultural family who goes out to dinner at Chez Earth, and they let their mentally unstable cousin with violent tendencies run about the place tearing **** up while they just sit and enjoy their falafel without so much as a "Hey, Asshat, Sit down and eat your falafel before I go Muhammad, Praise be upon him, on your ass!"
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Not that easy,
Unfortunately, we aren't at the same restaurant .
Second, will you go to "death" by your legs to stop it, while you know that wont affect.
Third, I wont bother talking because I am sure as hell he wont listen, or stop as he is "mentally unstable".

Wasn't a good example though, sorry.
 
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