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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Navy Pride said:
I personally think there were a lot of heroes that day.....What a waste of human life though......
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That's what happens when someone decides to plow through American flesh; they find nothing but heroes and heroines.

A surprised attack on unguarded or unprepared persons ends with a two-fold conclusional analysis: The attacker is both stupid and cowardly.

Stupid because such an attack is an immediate death sentence. You'll find the heroics of your victims real soon.

Cowardly because it shows that not only are your principles weak and easily dismissed within the confines of society, but that you prefer to "not live" to fight another day.
 
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You know guys we can speculate what was the motivation for this whackjob who committed murder or maybe a terrorist act but this headline on CNN today about says it all:

"Fort Hood victims: Sons, a daughter, mother-to-be"

all that I can add is Americans, all of them and damn it hurts !!!
 
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I'd heard that his shooting was a response to his deployment to Iraq, this man was having a real emotional problem .
He hadn't even thought about the consequences, about how will people think about it, as he was Muslim, and how will this affect badly on the view .
Being selfish and stupid, this man don't even deserve to live .
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
I'd heard that his shooting was a response to his deployment to Iraq, this man was having a real emotional problem .
He hadn't even thought about the consequences, about how will people think about it, as he was Muslim, and how will this affect badly on the view .
Being selfish and stupid, this man don't even deserve to live .
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Must admit, the standards for letting people into the Military has dropped these days...
 
I'd heard that his shooting was a response to his deployment to Iraq, this man was having a real emotional problem .
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He wasn't going to Iraq.
He was headed to Afghanistan.
I heard he'd tried to stop his deployment, then stated that he'd be willing to deploy to Iraq instead.
For some reason, he just seemed especially terrified of going to Afghanistan.
It's all hearsay at this point; until he wakes up, we can only speculate about what was going through his mind.
I read today that he's now off the ventilator; not sure if that means he's recovering or dying, though.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
I'd heard that his shooting was a response to his deployment to Iraq, this man was having a real emotional problem .
He hadn't even thought about the consequences, about how will people think about it, as he was Muslim, and how will this affect badly on the view .
Being selfish and stupid, this man don't even deserve to live .
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Lots of people are willing to take the king's money as long as they don't have to go in harm's way, but once they are asked to "deploy", they want out of the king's service.
I saw a similar attitude in the Navy, when a sailor likes the navy until they ask him to ride a ship, then he wants out.
One I know in particular had choice duty for 9 years, then finally got orders to a ship, and the whining was something to observe. He didn't get much sympathy from me, took me almost 9 years to get my first shore tour...
 
EpicDude86 said:
Must admit, the standards for letting people into the Military has dropped these days...
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Must admit, the standards for letting people continue to serve in Walter Reed while currently being investigated for ties with Islamo-Terrorist ideals has... dropped these days.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Must admit, the standards for letting people continue to serve in Walter Reed while currently being investigated for ties with Islamo-Terrorist ideals has... dropped these days.
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HAHAHA! OH WOW.


On a slightly unrelated note, That's where I was born!
 
Arch Enemy said:
So their failures started with letting you leave the hospital unscathed.
:2wave::2wave::rofl
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lol, I was actually quite popular. Born on Halloween, 10 lbs. 11 oz. and bigger than a set of twins born the same day.
 
Arch Enemy said:
Must admit, the standards for letting people continue to serve in Walter Reed while currently being investigated for ties with Islamo-Terrorist ideals has... dropped these days.
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This man was having a clean record, wasn't he ?
 
1069 said:
He wasn't going to Iraq.
He was headed to Afghanistan.
I heard he'd tried to stop his deployment, then stated that he'd be willing to deploy to Iraq instead.
For some reason, he just seemed especially terrified of going to Afghanistan.
It's all hearsay at this point; until he wakes up, we can only speculate about what was going through his mind.
I read today that he's now off the ventilator; not sure if that means he's recovering or dying, though.
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Whats his point with that, Afghanistan or Iraq, death is every where here and there . If he was thinking that way, then am pretty sure that something is wrong with that man .
 
bhkad said:
He got a poor performance evaluation at Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences for proselytizing Islam with co-workers and patients.

Report: Suspect pushed Islam on patients
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So? That doesn't make him a murderous jihadist. That makes him a Jehovah's Witness or a Christian evangelist.

His emotional break down has more to do with this mass murder than his religion does.
 
Lerxst said:
So? That doesn't make him a murderous jihadist. That makes him a Jehovah's Witness or a Christian evangelist.

His emotional break down has more to do with this mass murder than his religion does.
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I was answering another poster's question. We shall see about his motivation.

Here is what a former terrorist says:

"America needs to awaken from its sleep and its unwillingness to face the issue of fundamentalist Islam in our midst which undoubtedly is the cause of the tragedy in Fort Hood," said Walid Shoebat, a former Islamist terrorist.

"Some very serious decisions need to [be] made when it comes to having Muslims protecting our country, as it is impossible to know whether they may be honorable or foxes in the hen house."
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Military jihadists fill 'every branch'
 
bhkad said:
He got a poor performance evaluation at Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences for proselytizing Islam with co-workers and patients.

Report: Suspect pushed Islam on patients
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That is a highly unethical professional breech. The military is obviously overlooking things in the effort to be politically correctly 'tolerant'. They threw common sense right out the window.
 
Arch Enemy said:
No sir.

If I am not mistaken, the FBI was tracking him for the past 6 months.
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Got no further Info about it, but if they were watching him, I think that this bloody chaos won't had happened, or at least not in this way .
 
MyOwnDrum said:
That is a highly unethical professional breech. The military is obviously overlooking things in the effort to be politically correctly 'tolerant'. They threw common sense right out the window.
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A participant in a forum at JihadWatch charged the "Pentagon, the American military, the Army, those who run Fort Hood, are guilty, in their refusal to recognize the effect of Islam on the minds of men, in their willful ignorance of what is contained in Quran, Hadith, and Sira."

The contributor said everyone in authority "in the Western world who presumes to protect and defend 'the people,' has a duty to learn about Islam. … Nothing but immediate, and detailed knowledge, of the texts and the tenets and the attitudes and the atmospherics of Islam, will do."
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Report: Suspect pushed Islam on patients
 
bhkad said:
He got a poor performance evaluation at Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences for proselytizing Islam with co-workers and patients.

Report: Suspect pushed Islam on patients
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Actually I see no problem with that, I think that there are many people there calls for conversion in same religion, from Catholic to Mormon for eg.
Still doesn't make him suspicious .
 
UtahBill said:
Lots of people are willing to take the king's money as long as they don't have to go in harm's way, but once they are asked to "deploy", they want out of the king's service.
I saw a similar attitude in the Navy, when a sailor likes the navy until they ask him to ride a ship, then he wants out.
One I know in particular had choice duty for 9 years, then finally got orders to a ship, and the whining was something to observe. He didn't get much sympathy from me, took me almost 9 years to get my first shore tour...
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Unfortunately, that do happens a lot, and many of them got acceptance to not be deployed, and of course there will be victims to fill in .
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Actually I see no problem with that, I think that there are many people there calls for conversion in same religion, from Catholic to Mormon for eg.
Still doesn't make him suspicious .
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Certainly it raises a red flag. Islam is unlike Catholicism or LDS.
 
bhkad said:
Certainly it raises a red flag. Islam is unlike Catholicism or LDS.
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So why hadn't the FBI catch him since the day he was calling for Islam then ?
Or at least an investigation .
If that what you meant by red flag .
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Actually I see no problem with that, I think that there are many people there calls for conversion in same religion, from Catholic to Mormon for eg.
Still doesn't make him suspicious .
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It's totally unprofessional for a doctor or nurse to proselytize a patient under their care.
 
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