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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Yes, Goldendog comes to mind. EVERYTHING is the fault of us right wingers.


Even in this thread he blames us.



But lets not lower ourselves to that sort of rhetoric....


I have heard some on the left refer to us who served as murderers, rapists, war criminals, and on and on. But its thier fringe.

Usually in a thread like this they will counter any critisizm about islam with very strained references to christianity to avoid the non pc topic.


But lets no lose sight of the big pitcure here. Yes, this guy was a Muslim, yes this guy cracked when he was told he was going over there. he used his religion and his political beliefs to commit a horrific crime murderous attack of islamic terrorism.

Some want to equate all of islam with this act of islamic barbarism..... it hurts our fight when we do so.,

Again, the people that are whining are the first ones to call out all Righties, when some person who just happens to be a registered Republican does something stupid.

Personally, I think there's basis to the criticisms of Muslims, when you look at Islam's more than one thousand year history of religious conversion by the sword.
 
Who? I'm sure you can find evidence in this thread to back that claim yes?

I don't have to. We all know it happens. No one's going to deny it.
 
Good to know you see nothing is wrong with the term Allahu Akbar

It is an oath ALSO used before every act of offensive Jihad. I was merely asking him what oath he'd use for his Christian violence so we'd know he was killing for Jesus.
 
Again, the people that are whining are the first ones to call out all Righties, when some person who just happens to be a registered Republican does something stupid.

Personally, I think there's basis to the criticisms of Muslims, when you look at Islam's more than one thousand year history of religious conversion by the sword.

Oh you have got to be ****ing kidding me.
We're holding people responsible for what happened a thousand years ago? Continue acting like all religions didn't have violence in the beginning.
 
Again, the people that are whining are the first ones to call out all Righties, when some person who just happens to be a registered Republican does something stupid.

Personally, I think there's basis to the criticisms of Muslims, when you look at Islam's more than one thousand year history of religious conversion by the sword.

Any religion that has an ideology that is open to interpretation lends itself to extremist behavior. As I said earlier, if the problem truly were with Islam and it advocated this type of behavior, this would be far more widespread than it is.
 
It is an oath ALSO used before every act of offensive Jihad. I was merely asking him what oath he'd use for his Christian violence so we'd know he was killing for Jesus.

That doesn't take away from its original meaning.
 
Oh you have got to be ****ing kidding me.
We're holding people responsible for what happened a thousand years ago? Continue acting like all religions didn't have violence in the beginning.

Yeah, Christians did the same thing...then. It seems that some religions haven't been able to grow out of it.

I would love to know where the religion haters are on this thread. You can bet they would be out in force is this dude was a Christian.
 
Oh you have got to be ****ing kidding me.
We're holding people responsible for what happened a thousand years ago? Continue acting like all religions didn't have violence in the beginning.

Yeah exactly. If we are holding religions accountable for their actions that long ago then Christianity definitely has a lot of explaining to do.
 
Any religion that has an ideology that is open to interpretation lends itself to extremist behavior. As I said earlier, if the problem truly were with Islam and it advocated this type of behavior, this would be far more widespread than it is.

Islamic terrorism/violence towards others isn't wide spread?

Two words: Cartoon Riots
 
Yeah, Christians did the same thing...then. It seems that some religions haven't been able to grow out of it.

I would love to know where the religion haters are on this thread. You can bet they would be out in force is this dude was a Christian.





This part I can agree with. Certain obnoxious athiests are usually absent from threads like this. :ssst:
 
Yeah, Christians did the same thing...then. It seems that some religions haven't been able to grow out of it.

And most Christians nowadays live in civilized societies. Many Islamic people don't.

I would love to know where the religion haters are on this thread. You can bet they would be out in force is this dude was a Christian.

It shouldn't matter what his religion is or what even motivated him. The point is that he's a nutjob and he shot a bunch of innocent people.
 
Show me where the "religious right" is compelled by their religion to smite the unbeliever.
Do we get to go Old Testament here or what? Because there are plenty of Biblically motivated mass murders in history.

But I digress, let's just keep it to the convenient time frame I guess. How many Muslims actually go out and kill for Allah?

Show me any country that is predominately "Religious right" that persecutes religious minorities.
Historically the Christians were horrible about this because of their beliefs. But the modernization of Christianity led to the radicalism being filtered out. I wonder why those hundreds of millions of crazy Muslims aren't out killing in the name of Allah, I mean since they are commanded by their religion to do so? Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Your anology was an enormus fail.
Not really.
Abortion clinic bombers are roundly criticized by mainstream Christians too.
And many Muslims condemn extremism. Right back at ya.
 
Islamic terrorism/violence towards others isn't wide spread?

Two words: Cartoon Riots

That was barely a dent when it comes to the Muslim population.
You seem to forget that we go into the billion+.
A few million whining means little.
Call me and i'll care when half a billion complain, that is when you should worry.
 
I would love to know where the religion haters are on this thread. You can bet they would be out in force is this dude was a Christian.

Why would they need to come out when they have people like you taking their place?
 
Islamic terrorism/violence towards others isn't wide spread?

Two words: Cartoon Riots

Yeah it isn't widespread. If Islam truly advocated this type of behavior it would be FAR more widespread than it is now. Islam is one of the largest religions in the world. A crowd of people protesting cartoons is hardly a majority.
 
And most Christians nowadays live in civilized societies. Many Islamic people don't.

And, whose faul is that?



It shouldn't matter what his religion is or what even motivated him. The point is that he's a nutjob and he shot a bunch of innocent people.

I don't disagree with that. However, my earlier comment still stands.

I'm amazed that there are folks that are actually trying to defend this clown. I haven't seen every post in this thread, so has anyone blamed this on Bush yet?
 
My cousin is mentally challenged and I object to the word, 'retarded.'

Show some sensitivity, please.

No, I don't think so. Your cousin isn't here posting. I have several Muslim friends and my cousin and her husband are Muslim. My late uncle was Muslim. As long as you make these absurdly insulting comments you do about Muslims, I'll show you the same treatment.

Deal with it.
 
It's no different than when that nut job shot up that church a while back and all the Libbos went on for weeks about how the Christian Right preached hate and it was all the fault of Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh.

If--according to the Libs--all Right Wingers are natural born racists, then it's just as acceptable to say that all Muslims are natural born murderers.

Retarded as it may be, some of the very ones defending this nut-job were the same ones crying about the hateful, racist and evil Religious Right.

Here's the problem as you get on your high horse on it.

Those people are wrong. And pointing that out is fine.

But you sit in this thread and don't say a thing, and in part join in, on doing the exact same type of thing to muslims.

Over generalizing and making ludicrous assumptions when it comes to Christians immedietely following an act is stupid. So too is over generalizing and making ludicrous assumptions when it comes to Muslims immedietely following an act.

You can't sit here and get on your high horse bitching and moaning about people doing it in the past when you're sitting by silently, and in parts joining in, with people doing that very same thing now.

You whine about how some of those doing it then were now arguing against people doing it to Muslims, while ignore that those arguing against it then are now doing it to Muslims.

Don't bitch about double standards when you're participating in the mirror image of it.

It was stupid then, its stupid now, liberal conservative centrist independent muslim athiest christian, or whatever. Its dumb.
 
I think we are going to find this savage was a coward, who used Islam as an excuse to not go overseas.


Time will tell, but initial reports and what I am hearing he sounds like a coward. Islamic extremism was his rationalization to hide the fact that he was a bitch and wanted not to go.


He had his views an opinions, but they according to what I am reading are all fairly recent, like he was suicidal and used this whole islamic extremist thing to rationalize his actions of death by cop/soldier, etc.




We will see.
 
I'm amazed that there are folks that are actually trying to defend this clown.

Who has defended his actions?
99.9% of the posts here have condemned his actions, killing innocent people is indefensible.
 
Thank you for illustrating my point.

She didn't illustrate your point at all. She actually took your argument and used it against you. You are a religion hater, you just don't hate all religions.
 
And, whose faul is that?

Whose fault was it when Christians lived in uncivilized society and committed horrible acts? It's not really anyone's fault. It's also not really right to blame the actions of a minority of extremists on an entire religion.

I don't disagree with that. However, my earlier comment still stands.

I'm amazed that there are folks that are actually trying to defend this clown. I haven't seen every post in this thread, so has anyone blamed this on Bush yet?

Who is defending him? Show me one post where someone defended this asshole. Just because people aren't frothing at the mouth and blaming Islam for his actions doesn't mean that they are defending him. :roll:
 
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