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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Ethereal said:
I could explain it to you but I'm not sure if you're actually interested in the answer.
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Really? I couldn't explain it. I just generally know, but it isn't an exact science.
 
GySgt said:
So he murders as many as possible to prove them right. Well, I guess case is solved. I stated before that this would be fine tuned to something people could rationally understand it appears to be going in that direction. He was merely bullied. The next incident will undoubtedly have another rational explanation. Anything but the politically incorrect accurate one.
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Which is what, exactly?

I don't think anyone is claiming that his faith had absolutely nothing to do with this, as it seems like it certainly had some impact. By the same token, I think it would be equally absurd to claim that this developed entirely because of his religion and that there were no other factors.

Earlier reports indicated that this guy is a middle-aged man with no girlfriend and no kids, who got poor performance reviews at his job, had a drinking problem, and was having trouble with his coworkers.

Until we have more information, I think it's a bit premature to label this guy a "crazy muslim terrorist" and conclude that that's the only reason why this happened.
 
bowerbird said:
So why is it automatically religious hatred and not PTSD
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PTSD doesn't make you kill your brothers. Anyone who says otherwise is a filthy lying coward.
 
RightinNYC said:
Which is what, exactly?

I don't think anyone is claiming that his faith had absolutely nothing to do with this, ....
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On the contrary. I haven't really seen anywhere yet where the media is even willing to look into his religious beliefs except as a tossed in "non factor." Timothy McVeigh? He was a "Christian" the moment they found out.

I just don't get it.
 
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GySgt said:
On the contrary. I haven't really seen anywhere yet where the media is even willing to look into his religious beliefs except as a tossed in "non factor."
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Hannity on Fox News was all over this angle actually.
 
MC.no.spin said:
Could not agree more.

"Being made fun of" is definitely a pathetic excuse; he was also a psychiatrist and is supposed to be more aware of how to deal with such responses from others.

There is something very wrong with the fact he was allowed to stay in the military when months ago his postings on the internet were discovered, where he was found to be cheering radical Islam in other troop attacks, and clearly voicing anti-American sentiment.

The limp-wristed left wants to turn this into a "must defend the minority" campaign about being mean to Muslims. That's not the point. The real issue is that American lives are lost because of "political correctness" and being afraid to offend those who hate America.
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From the article:

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting
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I'm not sure how you conclude from this that he was "allowed to stay in the military to satisfy the limp-wristed left."
 
GySgt said:
On the contrary. I haven't really seen anywhere yet where the media is even willing to look into his religious beliefs except as a tossed in "non factor." Timothy McVeigh? He was a "Christian" the moment they found out.

I just don't get it.
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From my perspective, that's not how this has played out. The minute that they discovered his name, MSNBC said that "the suspect is someone with an Arabic-sounding name." ABC news followed up by announcing that he was a Muslim convert. Chris Matthews spent an hour asking everyone he could about whether this was "radicalized beliefs" in action. Multiple channels have had interviews with his imam from 10 years ago, talking about his religion.
 
GySgt said:
Really? I couldn't explain it. I just generally know, but it isn't an exact science.
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My terp was a Jordanian. I watched a lot of Jordanian TV (sat) in Iraq, too.

Jordanians (from what I've seen) generally have a lighter or softer complexion than Saudis; it's a dark olive, I suppose. They also have rounded facial structures, whereas Saudis are sharper, more angular.

I dunno. When I saw him I thought he was Jordanian; he looked “Jordanian” to me. Something intuitive I guess.
 
MC.no.spin said:
Hannity on Fox News was all over this angle actually.
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No so interesting. It's Hannity. O'Reilly will also address the obvious. But does the rest of the media really need to seek that upbringing answer that explains the serial killer in terms we can understand? That social aspect that makes the trigger puller a victim?

It's actually simpler than people want to attribute to it. Was he a Jew, a Christian, a Buddhist, a Hindu, an athiest, a Japanese, a Chinese, a Russian, a Wiccan, or Hobbit would this have even happened? The answer is "no." But even with the fact that he was an extreme minority, raised by Paslestinian parents, forced to deploy to a war to fight his own Muslim kind, and chose to lash out on the enemy of the Tali-Ban, we see the need for simple rational explanations.

Bin Laden's letter of justification to the American people was about just that. Even our enemy knows how to manipulate the American crowd.
 
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David Duke is Right said:
Michael Savage just had a caller who reported that he went to the shooters facebook page before it was removed and saw that he was a member of a facebook fanatical islamic group. Also it took the Usurper 2 minutes into his healthcare speech to comment on the shootings. He should have mentioned it first. This could be a diversion to something more sinister according to Savage. This shooting is more than a isolated incident. The liberal MSM spin has already started. Islam converts should be not allowed into the military since we are at war with terrorist who are mainly Muslims. It appears they can't be trusted.
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Did Savage give you the winning Lotto numbers, too?
 
American said:
I wouldn't call the training special. I mean other than normal proficiency, what else would a psyciatrist get? No special weapons or anything.
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He's an officer in the United States Army. He knows how to use a pistol.
 
It Kinda begs the question...What is the source of the rhetoric that these harrassing soldiers were soaking up that would lead to a enviorment allowing such harrassment?
 
RightinNYC said:
From my perspective, that's not how this has played out. The minute that they discovered his name, MSNBC said that "the suspect is someone with an Arabic-sounding name." ABC news followed up by announcing that he was a Muslim convert. Chris Matthews spent an hour asking everyone he could about whether this was "radicalized beliefs" in action. Multiple channels have had interviews with his imam from 10 years ago, talking about his religion.
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Interesting.
 
GySgt said:
the fact that he was an extreme minority, raised by Paslestinian parents
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Why even let someone be in our military who has a background like that?
 
1069 said:
I'd say the difference is far greater than that.
All the people in your example are still identifiably asian.
All middle-easterners are not identifiably anything.
Like I said, a lot of them just look like ordinary white Americans, once you get them out of their native garb and shave those beards off them.
Not all of them are swarthy. Some have WASP-y features.
Once they're Americanized, they gain weight and look as chubby as most Americans do.
At that point, it gets really hard to tell they're middle-eastern.
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You just haven't met enough people then.
 
apdst said:
This dude had two pistols, that's a max of 34 rounds...
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Assuming he didn't reload.

...and he scored 31 hits, 12 were kill shots.
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Twelve were killed, thirty-one were injured (last I heard). That's forty-three hits. That's assuming he didn't hit multiple targets with one bullet.

You know how unlikely that is, even for a world class shooter?
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It ain't hard. Bunch of people in a crowd. A few extra mags. Nothing special.
 
goldendog said:
It Kinda begs the question...What is the source of the rhetoric that these harrassing soldiers were soaking up that would lead to a enviorment allowing such harrassment?
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Well, the Japoanese were "Japs." The Germans were "Krauts." The Vietcong were "Zipper heads." The Somalis were "Skinnies." And Muslims since the Gulf War have been "Ragheads."

The Army is notorious for this. The Marine Corps goes to great lengths to discourage slanderous uses, but it exists at lower levels. Not so much for the Navy and the Air Force is still trying to figure out where they fit in. If this Major wore the traditional attire of a Muslim then he was very much the probably source of ridicule. But what people don't seem to recognize is that we are not a global military as if some grand international force against space invaders. We are an American military and our enemy, since before 9/11, have been Muslims.

His act absolutely strengthend the emotional resolve of countless servicemen against Muslims.
 
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MC.no.spin said:
Why even let someone be in our military who has a background like that?
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The military has an agreement with certain foriegn nations. Their citizens may wear our uniforms if their expressed desire is to earn American citizenship. For this individual, he was an American born citizen as much as someone who had pure blood Russian parents or British parents. This goes back to the beginning of the creation of our military.
 
GySgt said:
Well, the Japoanese were "Japs." The Germans were "Krauts." The Vietcong were "Zipper heads." The Somalis were "Skinnies." And Muslims since the Gulf War have been "Ragheads."

The Army is notorious for this. The Marine Corps goes to great lengths to discourage slanderous uses, but it exists at lower levels. If this Major wore the traditional attire of a Muslim then he was very much the probably source of ridicule. But where people don't seem to recognize is that we are not the global military as if some grand international force against space invaders. We are an American military and our enemy, since before 9/11, have been Muslims.

His act absolutely strengthend the emotional resolve of countless servicemen against Muslims.
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Are the troops just supposed to ignore the anti muslim rightwing rhetoric comming from the teabag crowd? Are they suppose to ignore the more or less continuous hatespew towards the president reguarding the muslim issue? All in negative tones.

Republican leaders are sending a clear message to the troops reguarding this.
The message is....Muslims can be attacked no matter what. No matter who.

Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
 
goldendog said:
Are the troops just supposed to ignore the anti muslim rightwing rhetoric comming from the teabag crowd? Are they suppose to ignore the more or less continuous hatespew towards the president reguarding the muslim issue. All in negative tones.

Republican leaders are sending a clear message to the troops reguarding this.
The message is....Muslims can be attacked no matter what. No matter who.

Pretty pathetic if you ask me.
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Well I didn't ask you. The military is a conservative crowd, but it is apolitical. Rightwing/Leftwing is for the average citizen or politician who chooses to exploit us for whatever gain they seek.

It might (or may not) interest you to know that the minority that by far has been humiliated and insulted the most in the military has been women. Since we haven't seen any women slaughtering their fellow soldiers by the truck load, perhaps you are shedding a little too much crocodile tears for this individual, who had deeper religious troubles with incorporated cultural, heritage, and Islamic issues.
 
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GySgt said:
Well I didn't ask you. The military is a conservative crowd, but it is apolitical. Rightwing/Leftwing is for the average citizen or politician who chooses to exploit us for whatever gain they seek.

It might (or may not) interest you to know that the minority that by far has been humiliated and insulted the most in the military has been women. Since we haven't seen any women slaughtering their fellow soldiers, perhaps you are shedding a little too much crocodile tears for this Muslim, who had deeper issues religious issues and incorporated cultural, heritage, and Islamic family values.
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How do you know these facts about him? Are you sure you just are not stereotyping?
 
goldendog said:
How do you know these facts about him? Are you sure you just are not stereotyping?
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Like I stated before, maybe this guy just had a really aggravating ingrown toe nail. Slaughtering soldiers was his way of lashing back at it.
 
GySgt said:
The military has an agreement with certain foriegn nations. Their citizens may wear our uniforms if their expressed desire is to earn American citizenship. For this individual, he was an American born citizen as much as someone who had pure blood Russian parents or British parents. This goes back to the beginning of the creation of our military.
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The policies need to be revised. Anyone with a background like his shouldn't be involved in a war against those his roots belong with, to which he still shows allegiance.
 
Agnapostate said:
It's now widely reported that this man is a Muslim, but it was obviously dubious to assume that this was related to "Islamic terrorism" because of his Arab name, as numerous non-Muslim Arabs and non-Arab Muslims exist. It's interesting that some of the more blatantly jingoistic rhetoric matches the Stormfront thread on the topic.











It's unfortunate, and some need to move beyond this "raghead = bad" sentiment...that's what accounted for the asinine attack on Sikhs after 9/11. :doh
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Well, it seems there are worse "rightists" out there than big, bad Ethereal...
 
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