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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Councilman said:
There are extremists in every religion and it would be nice if the moderates in the Mosques would do just a bit of self policing. It might save some lives some day, and maybe their own.
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Yep. Like this guy:

Army Ignored Warning Signs From Fort Hood Shooter, Former Classmate Says - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

There were even more warning signs that might have alerted the Army in recent months:

— In the days and weeks before the shooting, Hasan voiced his objections to Muslims fighting the war on terror to members of his mosque, the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen. Congregants at the mosque said he voiced his objections to Muslims serving in the U.S. military and to his impending deployment to Afghanistan.

— Over the summer, Hasan's comments led Osman Danquah, co-founder of the mosque, to recommend that it deny Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at Fort Hood, the Associated Press reported.
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EpicDude86 said:
Is Epic Dude gonna have to draw another Venn Diagram up in this piece?
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Yes, please... I missed the last one... Unless you got the link, I mean we're up to 110 pages here.
 
Councilman said:
In Arabic “al-Islam” is the religion while “Muslim” is a person professing Islam. In English usage, “Islamic” seems to be more abstract, while “Muslim” refers to the people professing Islam.
Whether you are a Christian or not I would suggest that you take a page from Christian beliefs, and hate the sin and not the sinner. Don't lump all Muslims in with terrorists any more than you would like all white people tied to Jeffery Dalmer or John Wayne Gacy.
There are extremists in every religion and it would be nice if the moderates in the Mosques would do just a bit of self policing. It might save some lives some day, and maybe their own.
I keep hearing the BS that Islam is a religion of peace. Well if that's true being a Muslim makes some people terrorists because of interpretations of mentally challenged teachers at the Mosque.
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Sir, what you're suggesting is not only anti-hypocrisy, but it makes damn fine sense. And in this thread I see little to no room for this kind of attitude. You are a detriment to the 'intelligence level' and 'credibility' of this thread. Take your logical suggestions and run for Congress where you can't do any harm, but this is certainly not the place for these shenanigans.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Yes, please... I missed the last one... Unless you got the link, I mean we're up to 110 pages here.
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This one might have been for another thread, similar topic, but different train of thought...

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You sure are proud of that thing, ain't ya? :confused:
 
EpicDude86 said:
This one might have been for another thread, similar topic, but different train of thought...

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Ok, that's a reasonable illustration... however;
- Terrorists could be listed in 2 categories
a) government agents / secret agents from one of the many intelligence agencies around the world
b) people that are in such a desperate situation that they would strap a bomb to their chest a means of striking out what they see as their oppressor.
C) other psychopaths
- Serial killers terrorise the locality in which they kill their 3 + victimes... actual serial killers are pretty rare... however, I don't think that serial killer is applicable in terms of 'terrorists' since a person in the millitary could easily be a serial killer, but these have been justified killings,
Now, Mass murderers...
- A person that kills 15-20 people is probably called a 'mass murderer'... however, there are people like Mao with the blood of 60 million people weighing on his soul.

Point being :
The only real justification for the blue circle being so large is if you consider the remaining people warring in afghanistan and Iraq are actual 'terrorists' as opposed to people just attacking to send the message that they are wanted out.

Seriously, people say a 'conspiracy theory' is impossible but will argue that his man :
a) became a US citizen to
b) join the millitary
c) become a psychiatrist
d) all the while being anti-war
e) and wait untill finally he was to be deployed

ALL so that he could just arm himself and start shooting up the base.... that's all I'm saying... It's alot more likely that he was the victim of a drugs side-effect that caused a psychotic incident then going through that whole process (which includes obtaining a doctorate). Everyone's talked about how depressing his situation must've been, while being a psychiatrist that could prescribe himself these medications I'm talking about... whose listed side-effects appear on the insert and include 'psychotic episodes' as a side-effect.

Or you can just go back to this muslim hat-on... and debating which ones you're supposed to hate... and why, meanwhile, you're talking about places I doubt you could put on a map beyond 'in the middle east region'. EDIT : Not geared towards the person quoted )
 
BmanMcfly said:
Ok, that's a reasonable illustration... however;
- Terrorists could be listed in 2 categories
a) government agents / secret agents from one of the many intelligence agencies around the world
b) people that are in such a desperate situation that they would strap a bomb to their chest a means of striking out what they see as their oppressor.
C) other psychopaths
- Serial killers terrorise the locality in which they kill their 3 + victimes... actual serial killers are pretty rare... however, I don't think that serial killer is applicable in terms of 'terrorists' since a person in the millitary could easily be a serial killer, but these have been justified killings,
Now, Mass murderers...
- A person that kills 15-20 people is probably called a 'mass murderer'... however, there are people like Mao with the blood of 60 million people weighing on his soul.

Point being :
The only real justification for the blue circle being so large is if you consider the remaining people warring in afghanistan and Iraq are actual 'terrorists' as opposed to people just attacking to send the message that they are wanted out.

Seriously, people say a 'conspiracy theory' is impossible but will argue that his man :
a) became a US citizen to
b) join the millitary
c) become a psychiatrist
d) all the while being anti-war
e) and wait untill finally he was to be deployed

ALL so that he could just arm himself and start shooting up the base.... that's all I'm saying... It's alot more likely that he was the victim of a drugs side-effect that caused a psychotic incident then going through that whole process (which includes obtaining a doctorate). Everyone's talked about how depressing his situation must've been, while being a psychiatrist that could prescribe himself these medications I'm talking about... whose listed side-effects appear on the insert and include 'psychotic episodes' as a side-effect.

Or you can just go back to this muslim hat-on... and debating which ones you're supposed to hate... and why, meanwhile, you're talking about places I doubt you could put on a map beyond 'in the middle east region'. EDIT : Not geared towards the person quoted )
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You leave my venn diagram alone! Make your own if you want to get all specific with it.
 
SgtRock said:
Your right they have bigger worries, like protesting in mass because someone draws a cartoon picture of muhammad.

You are a muslim. Are you angry at the islamic extreamist who fight jihad in Allahs cause?
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Am angry at the people who uses the religion, I think that my entire posts says that.
Waiting for your next question :roll:
 
EpicDude86 said:
That's what's suspicious about Muslims... >.>

Is it that hard to take a stand against radicals? I've seen a few great shows where a Muslim will come on and defend his faith and disown the radicals, but on average, it's like you're all just...kinda indifferent...
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Life duties rules :2wave: .
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
Life duties rules :2wave: .
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Just don't wait til it's too late to stop the blight upon your good name. :D I don't want to have to come drag your ass out of some political camp because you weren't radical enough to run with the extremists...

;)
 
EpicDude86 said:
Just don't wait til it's too late to stop the blight upon your good name. :D I don't want to have to come drag your ass out of some political camp because you weren't radical enough to run with the extremists...

;)
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Guess what, am heading down the street holding a big boarder now. See ya :doh
 
apdst said:
And you're naive.
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And you really don't know the definition of the word naive. Because thus far you've contributed absolutely zilch as far substantiating any argument that validates "hatred of Islam" or justifies the fear mongering that you and others engage in.
 
Arch Enemy said:
If you take the Islam away, then they're just Arabs, or Persians, or Turks, or Russians, or Uzbeks, or Americans, or Sudanese...

You get the picture.
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Methinks he's one of those guys who doesn't know the difference between and Arab and a Muslim, and if you put the words "Palestinian Jew" together his head would explode.
 
Lerxst said:
And you really don't know the definition of the word naive. Because thus far you've contributed absolutely zilch as far substantiating any argument that validates "hatred of Islam" or justifies the fear mongering that you and others engage in.
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And all you've done is prove your apologist tendencies. I guess you don't care, because you're not one of the ones doing the dieing. As long as it doesn't affect your cute little politically correct world, you don't give a ****. Right?
 
SgtRock said:
Damn, you joined the forum this month and you already have 957 post. Independent Thinker beter watch out EpicDude is going to pass him by MArch at this rate.
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Some people really have no other life beyond the internet... :lol:
 
Lerxst said:
Methinks he's one of those guys who doesn't know the difference between and Arab and a Muslim, and if you put the words "Palestinian Jew" together his head would explode.
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God forbid someone mentions [insert middle-eastern country here] Christian
 
Ahmed,

I'm not sure if you missed my last post on this thread or have decided to ignore me for some reason. In the hope that the former is the reason why you didn't respond to me I'll repeat my comment and highlight my question to you. I hope you decide to answer my question Thanks.


Albert Di Salvo said:
Thanks for answering my question.

Islam is like the other desert religions, ie., a mixture of compassion and viciousness. So I don't hold the tenets of Islam responsible as the cause of the death of my brothers and sisters at the hands of your co-religionist.

However, that doesn't end the inquiry. The question posed is how can my brothers and sisters avoid death and injury at the hands of some Muslim Americans who kill us in the name of their religion?

Have you paid attention to the news this year. There is a steady drumbeat of planned attacks by Muslim Americans against non-Muslim Americans in the name of Islam. There was a recent shoot out between groups of young Muslim American men and the FBI.

I notice that Hindu Americans, Buddhist Americans, Jain Americans, Jewish Americans, Animist Americans, Christian Americans (except for the abortion murderer), Sikh Americans, Atheist Americans and Agnostic Americans, have not attempted to commit mass murder in the name of their religions or beliefs during the last decade. The attempted mass murderers come from a single community. From this I have concluded that there are some people in that community who are the deadly enemies of my brothers and sisters.

So I say to you how can my brothers and sisters be protected without compromising the US Constitution? Saying that my brothers and sisters must simply absorb the mayhem will not be accepted as a polite response.
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Ahmed,

I'm not sure if you missed my last post on this thread or have decided to ignore me for some reason. In the hope that the former is the reason why you didn't respond to me I'll repeat my comment and highlight my question to you. I hope you decide to answer my question Thanks.
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If someone wants to ignore you, why not accept it and move on to other threads or topics? People on internet forums have a right to not respond to others. Sometimes the wisest course is to ignore another poster.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
If someone wants to ignore you, why not accept it and move on to other threads or topics? People on internet forums have a right to not respond to others. Sometimes the wisest course is to ignore another poster.
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Thanks for the advice.

The refusal to answer a question can be attributed to many causes. Inadvertence, disdain, hurt feelings, lack of information sufficient to respond, and fear, among others.

Sometimes questions are asked to gain information, and sometimes to expose weakness. Sometimes unanswered questions are repeated to make a point.
 
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