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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Lerxst said:
However many abortion clinic bombers and murderers have been Christian or right wing fundamentalist types. Those savages. Who knows when the next Republican Christian will snap and blow up an abortion clinic or shoot an abortion doctor in the head. Savages.
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Nice moral equivocation
 
Lerxst said:
AK-47, bomb vest, VBIED...what would I know. I'm just limp wristed leftist librul puke who has no idea what goes on outside his house and is in complete denial of the "Truth About Islam." (C)

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oh I was going to hint to someone about that which can not be mentioned, hero. ;) :2razz::mrgreen:
 
bhkad said:
Years ago when Hasan was taking ROTC (and his family advised him not to do it) he was Westernized, too. Yet, one day the seed took root and grew until he snapped.
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Do you have any idea how crazy this sounds?

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Oh look!!

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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I think Islam has a huge problem, a huge issue, with its extremeists, and many are more than "apathetic", however, I can't look at someone like Laila and think that she is going to crack and shoot up her neighborhood if say they deploy her brother to A-stan....
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I find this whole generalization of Muslims amusing.
They somehow expect us all to be the same. Even when I am out to this day, they seem taken aback when I say I am a Muslim because I act like them as if somehow being British and Muslim has to be seperate.

Besides, if I were going to snap. I would have done so when he was deployed to Iraq in 03. Since then he has had many tours of duty. So I think the public is safe from me lol
 
Lerxst said:
I personally can't wait till we embark upon another Crusade. I've been Christian most of my life, maybe one day something in me will snap and I'll take up the sword and go Old School/Old Testament.

Maybe.

Spooooooooooky.

:rofl
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So, explain to us why there is no commonly known and repeated Christian oath when there are random acts of Christian violence.

Allahu Akbar is the Muslim oath.

When you snap what will you yell out to let people know you are killing for Jesus?
 
Lerxst said:
Give it time reef...one day the seed will become a sprout and the sprout will become a bomb vest. It's destiny. Islam commands it.
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Did I give off the impression, perhaps when being sarcastic, that I think that all muslims can snap and become terrorists? It's not true. However, I think a very small minority gets radicalized and it isn't necessarily due to social or economic hardship.

Hasan seems to have some strong cultural/religious sentiment. Cultural in being in favor of suicide attacks and religious in shouting "Allahu ackbar" before killing 13 people. Perhaps that is tenuous evidence.
 
bhkad said:
So, explain to us why there is no commonly known and repeated Christian oath when there are random acts of Christian violence.

Allahu Akbar is the Muslim oath.

When you snap what will you yell out to let people know you are killing for Jesus?
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What??? :rofl

This is why, bhkad. In case you're wondering.
 
I honestly feel for those who are from Islamic countries and desire to flee those patriarchal, violent hell-holes for a more free liberal life. The problem is that the inherent duplicitous nature of their Islamic creed is more than enough to make anyone who's read the Qu'ran skeptical about what their true intentions are - given that they take their Islamic way of life with them as immigrants.
 
reefedjib said:
Did I give off the impression, perhaps when being sarcastic, that I think that all muslims can snap and become terrorists? It's not true. However, I think a very small minority gets radicalized and it isn't necessarily due to social or economic hardship.

Hasan seems to have some strong cultural/religious sentiment. Cultural in being in favor of suicide attacks and religious in shouting "Allahu ackbar" before killing 13 people. Perhaps that is tenuous evidence.
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I was the one being sarcastic. I'm lampooning some of the idiocy being tossed around here. :)

Certainly, as I pointed out earlier, I agree there are those nutjobs who will turn to extremism regardless of social and economic issues. However a large number of Islamic militants can be found in the ghettos of the Middle East.
 
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Lerxst said:
What don't like the logic thrown back towards the Christian right? Doesn't taste good or what?
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It's no different than when that nut job shot up that church a while back and all the Libbos went on for weeks about how the Christian Right preached hate and it was all the fault of Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh.

If--according to the Libs--all Right Wingers are natural born racists, then it's just as acceptable to say that all Muslims are natural born murderers.
 
bhkad said:
Allahu Akbar is the Muslim oath.

When you snap what will you yell out to let people know you are killing for Jesus?
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It just means Allah is the Greatest and has its origins from being the opening declaration in every Islamic prayer
 
apdst said:
It's no different than when that nut job shot up that church a while back and all the Libbos went on for weeks about how the Christian Right preached hate and it was all the fault of Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh.

If--according to the Libs--all Right Wingers are natural born racists, then it's just as acceptable to say that all Muslims are natural born murderers.
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It was not "all the libbos" who did that. That logic is retarded. It was retarded then as it is now. Gross characterizations based upon the acts of a select few are retarded. Retarded. Retarded.
 
Laila said:
It just means Allah is the Greatest and has its origins from being the opening declaration in every Islamic prayer
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I know that, Laila. Thank you. :)
 
Laila said:
The problem lies in issues surrounding uneducation, corruption and poverty etc, many countries where extremism is alive.
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My problem with this formulation is that we have examples of terrorists who are not uneducated, corrupt, or impovershed. Hasan, if he's a "terrorist" is educated and seemingly non-radicalized; or is he? Many of the 9/11 terrorists had college degrees and careers. Many of the top level guys in Al Qaeda are college educated in the west.

It seems it may be an ideological issue and not a social or education deficit issue.

You mentioned the Saudis I believe, an issue Al Qaeda takes up with. They are propped up by western powers, and everyone knows it. Al Qaeda has a resonant point there, and it has nothing to do with social or economic hardship.

Am I wrong?
 
Lerxst said:
What don't like the logic thrown back towards the Christian right? Doesn't taste good or what?
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Show me where the "religious right" is compelled by their religion to smite the unbeliever.

Show me any country that is predominately "Religious right" that persecutes religious minorities.

Your anology was an enormus fail.

Abortion clinic bombers are roundly criticized by mainstream Christians too.
 
Laila said:
It just means Allah is the Greatest and has its origins from being the opening declaration in every Islamic prayer
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Well of course, but it also apparently is a blood oath that means kill Whitey or something. :rofl
 
Lerxst said:
It was not "all the libbos" who did that. That logic is retarded. It was retarded then as it is now.
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Retarded as it may be, some of the very ones defending this nut-job were the same ones crying about the hateful, racist and evil Religious Right.
 
apdst said:
It's no different than when that nut job shot up that church a while back and all the Libbos went on for weeks about how the Christian Right preached hate and it was all the fault of Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh.

If--according to the Libs--all Right Wingers are natural born racists, then it's just as acceptable to say that all Muslims are natural born murderers.
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Yes, Goldendog comes to mind. EVERYTHING is the fault of us right wingers.


Even in this thread he blames us.



But lets not lower ourselves to that sort of rhetoric....


I have heard some on the left refer to us who served as murderers, rapists, war criminals, and on and on. But its thier fringe.

Usually in a thread like this they will counter any critisizm about islam with very strained references to christianity to avoid the non pc topic.


But lets no lose sight of the big pitcure here. Yes, this guy was a Muslim, yes this guy cracked when he was told he was going over there. he used his religion and his political beliefs to commit a horrific crime murderous attack of islamic terrorism.

Some want to equate all of islam with this act of islamic barbarism..... it hurts our fight when we do so.,
 
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Lerxst said:
However a large number of Islamic militants can be found in the ghettos of the Middle East.
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Yeah, being radicalized in an organized fashion, at least in Gaza and perhaps southern Lebanon and perhaps even Egypt and Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Then there is Iran and the Basijis...
 
apdst said:
Retarded as it may be, some of the very ones defending this nut-job were the same ones crying about the hateful, racist and evil Religious Right.
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Who? I'm sure you can find evidence in this thread to back that claim yes?
 
First and foremost, my thoughts go out to the friends and families of the victims.

Whenever things like this happen people are always very eager to assign blame to something. Very rarely does the actual shooter get as much blame as their motivation for doing the act. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what made this guy do it. The fact is that he committed a horrible act by killing and wounding many of our soldiers. Personally, I find it disgusting that anyone would use an act like this to further their agenda whether it be anti-Muslim or whatever. There are millions of peaceful Muslims who don't do things like this. So we should now condemn an entire religion because a minority of nut jobs like this guy kill a bunch of people? If Islam truly advocated this type of extremist behavior it would be far more widespread and there would be no such thing as a peaceful Muslim. Honestly, what happened to personal responsibility?
 
Lerxst said:
It was not "all the libbos" who did that. That logic is retarded. It was retarded then as it is now. Gross characterizations based upon the acts of a select few are retarded. Retarded. Retarded.
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My cousin is mentally challenged and I object to the word, 'retarded.'

Show some sensitivity, please.
 
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