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12 dead, as many as 31 injured in Fort Hood shootings

Its not a disclaimer, its that I'm not a reactionary baffoon who wants to start pushing for extreme measures not because they honestly believe that's what needs to be done due to this situation but because it fits their political philosophy's and personal agendas and they're manipulating and using the deaths of these soldiers for their own good.

If we did what you're suggesting GySgt we'd have rounded up muslims and put them in internment camps immediately following the recent museum shootings because people who just had a political agenda IMMEDIATELY suggested it would be a Muslim and immediately started launching into their rhetoric then.

I have no problem stating opinions that aren't PC or aren't popular. I've routinely done it on these forums, from the patriot act to abortion to gay marriage to how to execute these wars to hell supporting these words to having legitimate discussion of racial stereotypes and onwards. Get off this bull**** you're trying to spew with your attempts at superiority over people because of your own service and that anyone that doesn't want to think like you is afraid to say what they feel.

I think its LIKELY that his religion affected it. That's all. I don't have proof. I don't have full confidence in that belief definitely being true. I don't believe that means its anything grander than just one lone lunatic religious person. I don't think that its such a pervasive thing that we need to have a "pure bred" military, etc. And I'm not GOING to have those feelings based on the barely credibly evidence we have this far.

Jesus ****ing christ.

Do you suggest that Cops should go forward and shoot to kill individuals because they happen to be the same race as someone that was just reported to have robbed a store and they're in a 3 block radius of the place if they at least think it MAY be him? Do you think we should look people away for life because we think it MAY be them but we have no real proof of it?

Sorry, I know this may harm your sensible little feelings that everyone must act immediately on the littlest of views when it suits your agenda, but I actually like this thing called...evidence...at least a DECENT shred of it...before I start calling for the internment of citizens of this country. Maybe I'm crazy like that.

Save you preaching Reverend.

At the end of the day this is another case of a Muslim serviceman killing one of his fellow soldiers.

Your posts are boring.
 
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Yeah, and watch the MSM spin this to be a case of PSTD and never - ever entertain the possibility that the shootings were motivated by religious hatred.

I think at this point all options are on the table and people are going to investigate to find the exact cause. If I remember correctly, I think I heard that the shooter was wounded, not killed. So maybe we can get some definitive answers.
 
I think at this point all options are on the table and people are going to investigate to find the exact cause. If I remember correctly, I think I heard that the shooter was wounded, not killed. So maybe we can get some definitive answers.

I'm totally fine with jumping to conclusions. This man did this because of racial/religious hatred.

You're free to wait and find out that my speculation was correct.
 
Remember that the man sitting in the Oval Office is not only a Usurper but also a Muslim whos ideology is the same as this radical who pulled this stunt today. They have common beliefs that are harmful to this nation.

Not only do you not supply source, but you are also ignorant to the vastness of Muslim beliefs. Most of your kind, those who believe that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya, see the muslim majority in Mombasa (Muslim makes up only 10% of the entire Kenyan population; this doesn't take into consideration the fact that his Dad and Grandmother grew up in a Christian area of Kenya) and determine "Hey! It's Muslim". Or if you find a witty of your kind it's "Hey! It's Sunni Muslim".

However, you're horribly wrong in your comparison to the Sunni doctrine in Jordan. Kenyan Sunni Muslims are predominately Shafi'i and would look dramatically different culturally, ideologically, than Jordanian Sunni muslims.

But I don't expect your kind to check the facts-- hatred is undeniably based on ignorance.


Anywho,

I think it quite sad that we have to focus on the man's Muslim root. Sure, faith affects life; but faith doesn't pull the trigger-- We are dealing with something much more transcendent than any faith and that is--wait for it-- evil.

If he were Christian nobody would be looking toward the Christian rights groups for commentary. Stop living in a double-standard world and realize that a follower of Jesus can be as dangerous as a follower of Muhammad.
 
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It's now widely reported that this man is a Muslim, but it was obviously dubious to assume that this was related to "Islamic terrorism" because of his Arab name, as numerous non-Muslim Arabs and non-Arab Muslims exist. It's interesting that some of the more blatantly jingoistic rhetoric matches the [ame="http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=654781"]Stormfront thread on the topic[/ame].

Die-versity claims another 12 lives.

Figures..

We are supposedly at war with ishlamofashism, according to juan mCcain,
that, and speshul intrish groups..and a raghead goes off the deep end.

I'm trying to figure out the headlines, according to the obammy admin, they should read "Gun kills a bunch of people again, soldier nearby

This loser really showed his true colors. He is an arab immigrant who joined the Armed Forces, wore the US uniform, swore an oath of loyalty, and then murdered the "kaffirs and infidels". This is not an isolated case. Just a few years ago a negro convert to islam murdered several US soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division in Iraq.

It was reported that there were two other shooters. I am wondering if they were Muslims also.

NAAAH!! Can't be! You mean to tell me, that a member of the "religion of peace" slaughtered a bunch of innocent people? Shocking....

Seriously, I wish there was some way to remove all muslims from our armed forces, as they are declared enemies of this country.

It's unfortunate, and some need to move beyond this "raghead = bad" sentiment...that's what accounted for the asinine attack on Sikhs after 9/11. :doh
 
Agna,

Seriously dude don't disgrace these forums by bringing that trash aboard. My blood pressure rose because of those posts. 99% of Muslims wouldn't be caught DEAD or ALIVE calling Americans "Kaffirs". Europeans? Maybe, but America is the epitome of Bible thumps and Muslim societies know it.

"Kaffir" just means nonbeliever, and whether Stormfront wants to deny it or not, Muslims believe Ahl al-Katrib are not "Kaffirs" as they worship the exact same God as Muslims, but they should be treated as equals.
 
I'm totally fine with jumping to conclusions. This man did this because of racial/religious hatred.

You're free to wait and find out that my speculation was correct.

Will do. I hope your speculation isn't correct. Time will tell on this one.
 
If he were Christian nobody would be looking toward the Christian rights groups for commentary. Stop living in a double-standard world and realize that a follower of Jesus can be as dangerous as a follower of Muhammad.

Oh c'mon.

We would if there was an entire civilization of Christians that blamed the world for their own designed and prescribed messes as their extremist groups launched attacks upon our military, embassies, and American cities. We would if entire Christian societies bred and applauded the launching of suicide bombers into a neighboring country. And don't pretend it doesn't happen because we see it every damn day throughout the region while the masses in the region simply look away.

It is true that a follower of Jesus can be dangerous as a follower of Muhammed. Why we can even point towards Phillip II and Thomas Muntzer as that Christian comparison towards today's Osama Bin Laden in Islam. But the difference is the time periods, Thomas Muntzer and Phillip II slaughtered within Christianity, and Osama Bin Laden blames the west for all that is wrong with his pathetic failed world. This is not to suggest that Islam doesn't slaughter within its own religion. We have seen plenty of example of just how far they will slaughter each other in the name of tribe and God. But unlike the Chrisitian fanatics of the 16th century, today's religioius militant groups and terrorist organizations strike beyond their religion. Today's "Christian" fanatics may organize and drink kool-aid.

There is no double standard in stating a truth. There is, however, a double standard in the media's quest to avoid all things sensitive to Muslims while printing anything insulting towards Christiains under the sun. See? Even the media knows what is and is not a threat in the 21st century.
 
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Just left Hood in March; I called my old unit about 1700 and they were all accounted for and on lock down. I have some other friends there, but they weren't deploying, so none would have been at the SRP site. I haven't heard from them yet.

So senseless. I'm glad he's alive...we need a reason for this. I want to hear it from him.
 
Oh c'mon.

We would if there was an entire civilization of Christians that blamed the world for their own designed and prescribed messes as their extremist groups launched attacks upon our military, embassies, and American cities. We would if entire Christian societies bred and applauded the launching of suicide bombers into a neighboring country. And don't pretend it doesn't happen because we see it every damn day throughout the region while the masses in the region simply look away.

It is true that a follower of Jesus can be dangerous as a follower of Muhammed. Why we can even point towards Phillip II and Thomas Muntzer as that Christian comparison towards today's Osama Bin Laden in Islam. But the difference is the time periods, Thomas Muntzer and Phillip II slaughtered within Christianity, and Osama Bin Laden blames the west for all that is wrong with his pathetic failed world. This is not to suggest that Islam doesn't slaughter within its own religion. We have seen plenty of example of just how far they will slaughter each other in the name of tribe and God. But unlike the Chrisitian fanatics of the 16th century, today's religioius militant groups and terrorist organizations strike beyond their religion. Today's "Christian" fanatics may organize and drink kool-aid.

There is no double standard in stating a truth. There is, however, a double standard in the media's quest to avoid all things sensitive to Muslims while printing anything insulting towards Christiains under the sun. See? Even the media knows what is and is not a threat in the 21st century.

Islamic Extremism (Jihadists) make up a very, very, very small portion of the entire Muslim population. Further, the percentage to those whose main objective is to attack internationally is even smaller (you never hear about Hizbullah or Hamas) hijacking airplanes, blowing up United States ships, or bombing Western cities. They are about regional politics-- Islamic Extremism is undoubtably in response to regional governments. We can consider the time in which we live a Muslim reformation of sorts.

There's a damn good reason why A.Q had to take refuge in Afghanistan, home of waste-lands and tribal warfare... A.Q. is almost completely different than every other Terrorist organization, muslim or not.

Putting blame on an entire group of people for the actions of a single black sheep is absurd.

It seems less a Muslim issue and more a Middle Eastern issue.

Lord's Resistance Army ain't drinking no Kool-Aid my friend.
NLF-Tripura ain't drinking no Kool-Aid.
 
CNN say he isn't talking and probably the reason why is since he didn't want to go to Iraq and is anti-war he is counting on the liberal jewish backed ( A fact) ACLU attorneys to show up to defend him.

Look buddy. I'm part Jewish, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see anti-Semitic overtones in your post. And not all Jews are Liberals. Plenty are Conservative. No one size fits all. That applies to circumcisions too. BTW, are you circumsized? If so, then you have participated in a Jewish religious ritual. Maybe you had better cut your tallywacker completely off so that you are not defiled. LOL.

Dear Lord:

I hope he listens to me. It would help the gene pool immensely. :mrgreen:
 
Yea, here's what CAIR had to say about this shooting:/They certainly sound like terrorist sympathizers, eh?

Except when its jews (whoops, I meant to type "zionists") are the victims, because THEN it's well.....but....but.....
 
Perhaps not the same Nidal Hasan? BUT!

Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree? MediaElites


Did Nidal Malik Hasan Telegraph His Shooting Spree?

Posted by Steve Huff, Nov 5, 2009

UPDATE, 8:20 p.m.: Sources tell the Associated Press that Nidal Malik Hasan came “to their attention at least Six Months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.”
So… read on.

Original post made at 7:37 p.m.

We should really, really keep in mind the possibility that Nidal Hasan may not be as uncommon a name as the average American might assume.

Still,
an interesting comment was made by a “NidalHasan” on May 20, 2009 on a document published on the document hosting service, Scribd.com. The document was titled, “Martyrdom in Islam vs. Suicide Bombing.” (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3989813/Martyrdom-in-Islam-Versus-Suicide-Bombing) Regarding the content of the document, “NidalHasan” wrote the following (http://www.scribd.com/NidalHasan):
"There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate.
Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.
If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland.
You can call them crazy if you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best."​
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Given what we know already his motives could have been anything...why speculate when you just don't really know?

If no one ever speculated 24 hour news wouldn't exist and neither would most posts in message boards :2wave:

However, if you have a better theory as to why he did it based on everything we know up to this point, I'd love to see it.
 
No, I'm not kidding. If you think that the majority of Muslims in the US sympathize with the people we're fighting overseas, you're ****ing nuts.

I never said that. But if you are proclaiming there isn't a large population of Muslims that do sympathize with the terrorists you are ****ing nuts.

Yea, here's what CAIR had to say about this shooting:



They certainly sound like terrorist sympathizers, eh?

hahahhaha What do you think they are going to say? Praise Allah?

I go by their deeds not their words. You should try it.
 
Islamic Extremism (Jihadists) make up a very, very, very small portion of the entire Muslim population. .....

I can quote numbers that make everything look like nothing is wrong and that people are overeacting too. But there is a general, disturbing truth that this avoids...

An entire region is consumed in tribal and racial violence by their own fellow Muslims. We see the slaughtering grounds of Sudan. We see the suicide bombings in Palestine. We see the tribes slaughter without mercy in Iraq. We see the Tali-Ban's dreams of prescribing oppression and brutality upon their fellow Muslims. And the governments of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria (who stop at nothing to suppress the free expression of their people if it challenges the elite or the status quo) do nothing to address what they state, "offends Islam."

As for exportation.....Islamic terrorist organizations are famous for launching attacks upon the innocent in peaceful events like the Olympics to foriegn military installations like a U.S. Air Force base to foriegn diplomatic structures like embassies. Something as simple as an offensive cartoon will incite the masses into riots, destruction, and murder.

For the Middle East, Islam, as an organizing tool, has failed. The oppressive and brutal prescriptions placed upon Muslims by other Muslims have resulted in exactly what we see today. We own our small part of the blame. Europe owns more. But Muslims are ultimately and overwhelmingly responsible for what has happened to them.

These are absolute truths. They cannot be denied and they cannot be argued against. One can state that a "very, very, very small portion of the entire Muslim population" is the problem, but all that does is ignore everything else going on, which is far larger than a lone terrorist who is merely acting as the mouthy piece to a larger issue facing us. You think this one jerk off at Fort Hood would be an issue were the Middle East not such a wreck of Muslim madness?

This Fort Hood event is a symptom of somehitng far greater. As was 9/11 and any other event that speaks for the troubled Middle East. Talking about a Christian civlization that produces...what exactly in the 21st century?...only encourages the growth of what already is an enormously complex problem.

But you are correct about it being a Middle Eastern thing and less of a Muslim thing...and I can offer plenty of evidence to prove my (and your) argument. But the reality and damaging truth is that the vast and overwhelming make up of the Middle East is......Muslim.
 
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Except when its jews (whoops, I meant to type "zionists") are the victims, because THEN it's well.....but....but.....

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

I never said that. But if you are proclaiming there isn't a large population of Muslims that do sympathize with the terrorists you are ****ing nuts.

How many is large? Earlier you said most. That was obviously ****ing false, so how about you put up an actual number? ****, you can even throw out a range - 5%, 10%, 30%...what is it?

hahahhaha What do you think they are going to say? Praise Allah?

I go by their deeds not their words. You should try it.

And I haven't seen CAIR storm any military bases lately, so I'm not going to accuse them of being terrorists like you're so eager to do.
 
I am so very sad about this and cannot even think about getting into some spat on the things being said:(
 
You can always go back, edit, and delete your mistypings.

Only for a few minutes. The hardest thing I've had to get used to in post-Mod status. Now a misctspellingz is forever.
 
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If no one ever speculated 24 hour news wouldn't exist and neither would most posts in message boards :2wave:

However, if you have a better theory as to why he did it based on everything we know up to this point, I'd love to see it.

Personally I think Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and miss "Look into the whites of their eyes" Michelle Bachman told him to do it...

But we wouldn't want to jump to conclusions now would we?
 
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If he were Christian nobody would be looking toward the Christian rights groups for commentary. Stop living in a double-standard world and realize that a follower of Jesus can be as dangerous as a follower of Muhammad.

Complete PC Garbage and 100% Untrue:


Wanted: a Muslim Reformation
National Post (Canada)
Sept 26, 2003

No religion has a monopoly on violence. Christianity has the Spanish Inquisition and the bloody excesses of the Crusades...."

But it will Not do to take the Politically Correct course and Lump all Religions in the Same basket, at least not insofar as our own era is concerned. Christian civilization underwent a Reformation in the 16th century, embraced the Enlightenment with its intellectual and theological pluralism, separated Church from State and encouraged scholarship and democracy. Judaism has followed a similar process -- as have, more recently, the faiths of the far East. Islam, on the other hand, is still struggling with this transition. And if there is to be peace in the Middle East and an end to terror worldwide, Muslims must accept that their faith is overdue for a doctrinal overhaul...."


"....Christianity still has its fanatical, bigoted elements. But those Christians who advocate the slaughter of non-believers make up an almost imperceptibly tiny fraction of the faithful. Much is made of the intolerant pronouncements of high-profile evangelists. A few deranged anti-abortion snipers aside, however, this is just talk. Even terrorists that claim to be part of the Christian world-- such as Spain's Basque extremists and America's Timothy McVeigh-- typically do not operate under any sort of religious aegis.

By Contrast, a Large minority of the world's one billion Muslims still adhere to militant interpretations of their faith, including the Wahabi sect of Sunni Islam, centred in and spread by Saudi Arabia. These interpretations all embrace as a central tenet the duty of jihad -- which, despite whitewashing efforts in the West, continues to mean what it has meant since the 7th century: the slaughter or forced conversion of non-Muslim "infidels." With few exceptions -- such as old-school Palestinian terrorists who cling to Marxist rhetoric -- Muslim terrorist groups all explicitly take Islam as their inspiration. Osama bin Laden is a Hero to Hundreds of Millions of Muslims, and al-Qaeda continues to receive financing from a wide array of Muslim charities.
Christians kill. Jews kill. Hindus kill. But no other faith group on the planet has embraced random slaughter in anything approaching the manner of radicalized Muslims.

The mainstream Arabic media is shot through with the most extreme sort of Hatred...
"Muslim advocacy organizations in the West, including Canada's own Canadian Islamic Congress, typically reject the claim that there is a problem with contemporary Islam, preferring to lay the world's problems at the feet of Israel and U.S. foreign policy.

Indeed, any Critical Scrutiny of their Religion is decried as "Bigotry"..... But it is evident these commentators are putting pride of faith above Truth.
The celebrations in the Islamic world on Sept. 11, 2001...."


Original link, National Post (Canada) expired, The full article can now be found here:
http://www.jewishtoronto.com/content_display.html?ArticleID=85448

And I might the very UN-PC, hundreds die Every week from Mauritania to Mindinao, of the World's largest cause of intentional violent death.. Islam.
 
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You'll have to forgive me if I choose to wait for some more facts before I take the shooters name and go on some ignorant posting spree about the evil Muslims. Seriously, some of you should think before you post.
 
You'll have to forgive me if I choose to wait for some more facts before I take the shooters name and go on some ignorant posting spree about the evil Muslims. Seriously, some of you should think before you post.
A ContentLESS post except for innuendo.
You have a problem with a post.. debate it.

If not- live up to what you wasted a post saying-- you'll reserve comment Until you do have something to say.
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