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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

StandUpChuck said:
... and suddenly there was peace in the hottest thread on DP. :applaud
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LOL! I almost commented on this earlier this morning but was worried that Captain would "spank" me for not staying on topic. ;)
 
PeteEU said:
Now the legal aspect of marriage is not a religious thing. This has to do with taxes, inheritance and so on and that is all civilian law... heck even marriage is that these days too.. you need a licence for example and can skip the whole church thing if you want.
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Then don't call it marriage. Call it a civil union.

Marriage is steeped in religion, not government. How about we stop trying to redefine a concept thousands of years old?

And yes, I look less on a "marriage" between a man and a woman who rushed down the county courthouse than I do one that was carefully planned in a church with family and friends in attendance. I'm not saying they necessarily understand the commitment better always, but they should, and they usually do.
 
Erod said:
Then don't call it marriage. Call it a civil union.

Marriage is steeped in religion, not government. How about we stop trying to redefine a concept thousands of years old?

And yes, I look less on a "marriage" between a man and a woman who rushed down the county courthouse than I do one that was carefully planned in a church with family and friends in attendance. I'm not saying they necessarily understand the commitment better always, but they should, and they usually do.
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The problem is, once you use the term in government it is no longer JUST a religious term, but a dual term.

There is religious marriage and then there is governmental marriage.

Marriage, in the government, CAN'T be religious because if it is...and we start upholding it to the traditional religious meanings of it...then we are choosing one or multiple religions over others and forcing it on someone which is the very meaning of establishing a religion through law.

So whatever idiot however many years ago that decided to intertwine the word is at fault.

The best option is complicated, but yet simple at the same time.

Strip the term marriage from all law, entirely. Put it in a word file, hit ctrl+f, go to replace, search for marriage and set it to replace with civil union. ;) Seriously. Swap it out. Make ANY union between two people recognized by the government a Civil Union.

So then the religious people are able to have the term "Marriage" completely to themselves and if they don't want to let two men or two women get married, they're absolutely free too.

So then there is equality under the law, because two men, two women, man and woman, friends, lovers, soul mates, whatever, can all enter into civil union

Boom, simple, be done with it. If you have issues still with that and are trying to talk about the sanctity of marriage then you're just absolutely spinning and are being dishonest, because that would keep "marriage" sacred and you're just really upset by the notion that two men are allowed to file joint taxes and have the ability to make medical decisions for each other.
 
Erod said:
Then don't call it marriage. Call it a civil union.

Marriage is steeped in religion, not government. How about we stop trying to redefine a concept thousands of years old?

And yes, I look less on a "marriage" between a man and a woman who rushed down the county courthouse than I do one that was carefully planned in a church with family and friends in attendance. I'm not saying they necessarily understand the commitment better always, but they should, and they usually do.
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Did you know that marriage was actually the governments domain long before religion got into it?
 
Zyphlin said:
The problem is, once you use the term in government it is no longer JUST a religious term, but a dual term.

There is religious marriage and then there is governmental marriage.

Marriage, in the government, CAN'T be religious because if it is...and we start upholding it to the traditional religious meanings of it...then we are choosing one or multiple religions over others and forcing it on someone which is the very meaning of establishing a religion through law.

So whatever idiot however many years ago that decided to intertwine the word is at fault.

The best option is complicated, but yet simple at the same time.

Strip the term marriage from all law, entirely. Put it in a word file, hit ctrl+f, go to replace, search for marriage and set it to replace with civil union. ;) Seriously. Swap it out. Make ANY union between two people recognized by the government a Civil Union.

So then the religious people are able to have the term "Marriage" completely to themselves and if they don't want to let two men or two women get married, they're absolutely free too.

So then there is equality under the law, because two men, two women, man and woman, friends, lovers, soul mates, whatever, can all enter into civil union

Boom, simple, be done with it. If you have issues still with that and are trying to talk about the sanctity of marriage then you're just absolutely spinning and are being dishonest, because that would keep "marriage" sacred and you're just really upset by the notion that two men are allowed to file joint taxes and have the ability to make medical decisions for each other.
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Love your post.

However if this were done then the religious folks would gripe about the whole separation of state and religion even louder. Can't count how many times religious folks have told me that the government has no right to banish religion from schools, courthouses etc etc. That religion is still suppose to be a part of government. That atheists are just trying to destroy them.
 
Zyphlin said:
Marriage, in the government, CAN'T be religious because if it is...and we start upholding it to the traditional religious meanings of it...then we are choosing one or multiple religions over others and forcing it on someone which is the very meaning of establishing a religion through law.
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Oh please.

Just because you define marriage the same way a religion does, it doesn't mean you're "establishing a religion." Geez.:roll:
 
Elena said:
Did I?

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I repeat, what do single parents homes have to do with two parent, same sex couple homes? Do you not see how it is illogical to argue that the former has anything to do with the latter?

Edit: thread banned eh? too bad.
 
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Wow your still discussing this? It doesn't matter if gays can raise children or not or any other off topic items thathave been brought into this thread. What matters is this the citz. of Maine used their 1st Adm right to tell the Govn. and the rest of the elected idiots in Augusta that you don't get to tells us what Laws we can and can't have. It's "WE THE PEOPLE" who decide that.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Wow your still discussing this? It doesn't matter if gays can raise children or not or any other off topic items thathave been brought into this thread. What matters is this the citz. of Maine used their 1st Adm right to tell the Govn. and the rest of the elected idiots in Augusta that you don't get to tells us what Laws we can and can't have. It's "WE THE PEOPLE" who decide that.
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And in the process you tell a group of people that you care more for a percieved wrong done to you than what is actually right.
 
Kal'Stang said:
And in the process you tell a group of people that you care more for a percieved wrong done to you than what is actually right.
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What's wrong with shooting down gay-marriage?
 
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Scorpion89 said:
Wow your still discussing this? It doesn't matter if gays can raise children or not or any other off topic items thathave been brought into this thread. What matters is this the citz. of Maine used their 1st Adm right to tell the Govn. and the rest of the elected idiots in Augusta that you don't get to tells us what Laws we can and can't have. It's "WE THE PEOPLE" who decide that.
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As I said before, there is nothing wrong with Mainers choosing to vote down same sex marriage. In fact, this ultimately isn't an issue of whether or not Maine should have same sex marriage, but when Maine will have same sex marriage. Right now, Maine is not ready for it, but the demographics show that the youth overwhelmingly support same sex marriage, and so things will change in time. Time is the only relevant factor in this issue. There will come a day when Maine uses their 1st amendment right to decide for marriage equality.
 
No matter what side of the issue your on you have to admit this vote in Maine, a very liberal state, is a huge setback for the few militant gays and the bleeding heart feel good liberals who are pushing it gay marriage.........

One might say another win for the good guys..........:)
 
Navy Pride said:
No matter what side of the issue your on you have to admit this vote in Maine, a very liberal state, is a huge setback for the few militant gays and the bleeding heart feel good liberals who are pushing it gay marriage.........

One might say another win for the good guys..........:)
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Navy....you are on the losing side. The avalanche is coming....you can pretend it isn't....but as older people die off and more younger people come to voting age....the numbers are fading quickly for those on your side.
Are you going to be prepared?
 
disneydude said:
Navy....you are on the losing side. The avalanche is coming....you can pretend it isn't....but as older people die off and more younger people come to voting age....the numbers are fading quickly for those on your side.
Are you going to be prepared?
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I have known you for several years and you keep saying that yet eveery time there is a vote on gay marriage you lose......(31-0) even in Liberal states like Oregon and California you lose...........When will you wise up and realize the American people have said no to gay marriage and will continue to do so...........
 
You're BOTH on the losing side of this debate. It's not about gay marriage, it's about arguing something that's asinine and wasting our time. Really? Is this what America has come to? Let's take up time, resources, and attention trying to decide if the happiness of someone is more important than its effect on society. FFS, We have got some serious pressing issues here and we're worrying about gays getting married? This shouldn't even be an issue! Shame on everyone. Shame on the Anti-Gay Marriage people for being dicks about something so simple, Shame on Gays for pandering to the argument and not excepting the concessions, few as they may be, from the Anti- side of the debate. Shame on everyone. This is AMERICA. Not some Nanny State where every facet of your life has to be double-checked to fit in with some sort of cookie cutter mold to make sure we're all content with each other's freedoms. We've become so obsessed with what others have that we don't appreciate what we have ourselves.

There are good arguments on both sides of the debate which means we are DEAD EVEN, WE break even so we're just arguing the same, boring, pointless **** and it's sickening.


Stop it. Everyone just call your representatives and tell them to stop it. We're all the same in the face of the law, regardless of what you may THINK that does to society, there are plenty of other issues that are degrading our society and 'moral fibers' that need immediate attention and yet here we are arguing about gays.

Cannot stand this crap.
 
EpicDude86 said:
You're BOTH on the losing side of this debate. It's not about gay marriage, it's about arguing something that's asinine and wasting our time. Really? Is this what America has come to? Let's take up time, resources, and attention trying to decide if the happiness of someone is more important than its effect on society. FFS, We have got some serious pressing issues here and we're worrying about gays getting married? This shouldn't even be an issue! Shame on everyone. Shame on the Anti-Gay Marriage people for being dicks about something so simple, Shame on Gays for pandering to the argument and not excepting the concessions, few as they may be, from the Anti- side of the debate. Shame on everyone. This is AMERICA. Not some Nanny State where every facet of your life has to be double-checked to fit in with some sort of cookie cutter mold to make sure we're all content with each other's freedoms. We've become so obsessed with what others have that we don't appreciate what we have ourselves.



There are good arguments on both sides of the debate which means we are DEAD EVEN, WE break even so we're just arguing the same, boring, pointless **** and it's sickening.


Stop it. Everyone just call your representatives and tell them to stop it. We're all the same in the face of the law, regardless of what you may THINK that does to society, there are plenty of other issues that are degrading our society and 'moral fibers' that need immediate attention and yet here we are arguing about gays.

Cannot stand this crap.
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That is your opinion and that is one of the reasons the "Losertarian" party has gone and is not going anywhere in this country.......That attitude is why your party wins zero election time..........

Now lets get back on topic.............
 
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Navy Pride said:
I have known you for several years and you keep saying that yet eveery time there is a vote on gay marriage you lose......(31-0) even in Liberal states like Oregon and California you lose...........When will you wise up and realize the American people have said no to gay marriage and will continue to do so...........
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Sorry Navy.....all you have to do is look at the numbers and you will see that you are on the losing side of history. I hope that you are preparing yourself because you will see it in the next few years.
I've never said it would happen overnight. In fact, I expected it to take many more years. However, the tide turning more quickly than I epected.
 
Navy Pride said:
That is your opinion and that is one of the reasons thr "Losertarian" party has gone and is not going anywhere in this country.......That attitude is why your party winz zero election time..........

Now lets get back on topic.............
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P.S. not a libertarian, it just says that cause it's the closest thing to my actual affiliation. I really ought to change that.

P.S.S. If you like arguing moot points, this is America buddy, have at it.
 
disneydude said:
Sorry Navy.....all you have to do is look at the numbers and you will see that you are on the losing side of history. I hope that you are preparing yourself because you will see it in the next few years.
I've never said it would happen overnight. In fact, I expected it to take many more years. However, the tide turning more quickly than I epected.
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It may happen in a thusand years when the morals in this coiuntry sink to the Sodom ages but it won't happen in our lifetime or in generations down the road..........
 
EpicDude86 said:
P.S. not a libertarian, it just says that cause it's the closest thing to my actual affiliation. I really ought to change that.

P.S.S. If you like arguing moot points, this is America buddy, have at it.
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Yeah change it to very liberal.......thanks
 
Navy Pride said:
It may happen in a thusand years when the morals in this coiuntry sink to the Sodom ages but it won't happen in our lifetime or in generations down the road..........
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The same people that were against interracial marriage thought the same thing. It's going to be a beautiful day when people like you have to deal with the reality of gay marriage being legalized.
 
aps said:
Oh gosh. I am heartbroken and pissed about this. I really hoped this would not be repealed.
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This isn't really a voter issue so I hope it will be repealed. Ideally I'd just like to see marriage completely separated from govt, but since most anti-gay marriage voters are motivated by religion, I don't think their opinions should matter. Just let it be overturned. I'm way more worried about fundamentalists trying to make their religious beliefs the law of the land, than I am about Ned and Fred getting tax benefits.
 
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