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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

Completely different issue............no comparison and you know it..........

No, I think it is applicable. In that it demonstrates that things which could historically be staunchly adhered to opinions and actions can change with education, maturity, and acceptance.
 
I guess I have to ask you my left wing friend why is anyone who disagrees with you on this issue is a homophobe.........I am for equal rights for all and against gay marriage and I am no homphobe.........

Read some of her earlier distasteful comments.

With some people its a generational thing. Others just don't know any gay people so it's fear of the unknown.

But the ugliness of Elena's earlier comments were old school bigotry and ignorance.

Apparently, gays try to 'rub' their gayness in her face. Interesting choice of words for a homophobe.:shock:
 
Do you feel the same way about people of color?

Do I think people should be getting preferential treatment because of their colour, age, sexual habits, length of their noses, "fullness" of their figures, religious believes, etc.? No!
 
Read some of her earlier distasteful comments.

With some people its a generational thing. Others just don't know any gay people so it's fear of the unknown.

But the ugliness of Elena's earlier comments were old school bigotry and ignorance.

Apparently, gays try to 'rub' their gayness in her face. Interesting choice of words for a homophobe.:shock:

That is your opinion and there are nut cakes on both side of the issue.........If you don't believe me go to a gay pride parade sometime................
 
Not everything.
Except for tax credits and other specifically legislated marrietal benefits, what can gay, single, or non-married couples NOT receive through civil contracts that state recognized marriage contracts receive?
 
Are you telling me that legislation which receives 100% of the vote can't be overturned by the courts as unconstitutional?

Why do you insist on avoiding answering my questions?
 
Do I think people should be getting preferential treatment because of their colour, age, sexual habits, length of their noses, "fullness" of their figures, religious believes, etc.? No!

What about EQUAL treatment? You don't seem to be too in favor of that when it comes to the homosexual population.
 
And plurality is a number that exceeds the remaining number.

Would you call 3 out of 5 a majority or plurality?

Majority

Then why was it said that 94% VOTED???

That was never said. That is the total of the votes cast for the top two candidates in the example given. 49% for winning candidate + 45% for next top-vote-getter = 94%. 6% voted for another option.


At what point do you concede an error, and/or provide the link to the dictionary page you used, or does that not happen?
 
Yes they did. If you vote for President, and 6% vote for candidate C for President, it doesn't mean they didn't participate in the vote for President. They most certainly did cast votes for the President position. Were you home schooled?

Then you have to divide the vote not on two, but on the number of issues, taking each issue as 100%.
 
I've got a nomination to make in another part of this site. :lol:
 
Reading the first 10 pages of this thread, I realized Elena is a devout homophobe who clings to the ignorant and backward belief that sexual orientation is a choice.

See, Elena, you didn't choose to be heterosexual, if that's what you are (I say that because many homophobes are really self-hating homosexuals). No, Dear, you were born with the hard-wired personality traits of a heterosexual. (again, if that's what you are)

And no, it's not a gene, a single gene--brain development is a combination of genetics, prenatal nutrition, and other prenatal factors. It's complicated and difficult to study. But the majority of respected people in related fields, now believe that sexual orientation is a hard-wired trait that comes in degrees.

The law needs to catch up with the science. This is a civil rights issue. You wouldn't prevent left-handed people from getting married? Same thing.

My overall point is that a homophobe who will never understand how ignorant and wrong her beliefs are (Elena) has kept this thread going while well-meaning people try to talk some sense into her.

My advice -- stop humoring her.
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Classic example of politically correct gestapo in action: can't win by logic, attack on a personal level.

Following your logic, can I call all homosexuals heterophobes?
 
Then you have to divide the vote not on two, but on the number of issues, taking each issue as 100%.

You are not correct. The body of votes cast for a particular office or referendum question = the total of all valid votes cast, regardless of choice on ballot. The body of valid votes = 100%. The whole set is subdivided into mutually exclusive subsets of various candidates for the office in quesiton, or positions on the question asked.

The whole set is not divided into the top two vote getters, with those votes representing the new 'whole body' or 100%.


You are just flat out wrong. Either on purpose, or from a complete inability to see the point of error. However, you are still wrong.
 
This is what happens when you have mob rule... but at least things are improving. The majority is no longer an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.
This is what happens when your government doesn't represent its constituents... but at least things are improving. The handful of elected schlem no longer have the power of an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.
 
Except for tax credits and other specifically legislated marrietal benefits, what can gay, single, or non-married couples NOT receive through civil contracts that state recognized marriage contracts receive?

Yup, and not all the contracts are quite presented in the way by which they are in the marriage license. The marriage license automatically covers this instead of the complex nature of multiple contracts and fees associated with filing. If you also compress those contracts into maybe some easy form, it goes further into promoting your argument.
 
Then you have to divide the vote not on two, but on the number of issues, taking each issue as 100%.

Do you even understand the words you are putting down? In the example I gave, there was 1 issue, President of the United States of America. We aren't limited to 2 choices, there are often more. If 6% of the people vote for Candidate C for President of the United States of America, they have still voted on that single issue of Presidential vote. 1 position, 1 issue. You're merely incoherently rambling at this point.
 
This is what happens when your government doesn't represent its constituents... but at least things are improving. The handful of elected schlem no longer have the power of an overwhelming majority. Things are changing.
We are a republic, not a democracy. Representatives are not required to legislate based on their constituients opinions, otherwise we would just be a democracy, not a republic.
 
It seems to me that the demographic that generally represents themselves as “liberal” claim that government controlled health care should happen because polls show a majority of the people want it, but when a majority of voters vote down gay marriage, it’s about individual rights?
 
In that case we're all bisexual. We might not be able to consciously control our preferences, but barring medical or psychological condition we are all capable of arousal and sexual performance with members of the same sex. Hell, we're capable of these things with "partners" that are far less compatible than that.

My hypothesis is that there is a spectrum. On one side you have people completely incapable of being sexually aroused by the same sex, such as myself, and on the other side you have people completely incapable of being aroused by the opposite sex. Most people are somewhere between and effectively bisexual, but few people are precisely in the middle, where homo or heterosexuality would be a true, ceteris paribus sort of choice. Most people claim to be at the poles, but I am confident that I am not in denial because I passed a lie detector asking me if I had ever had sexual thoughts about people of the same sex (was accused of something but innocent, obviously), much to the surprise of the operator, who says the vast majority of people who he has interviewed do not admit to having gay thoughts but the test indicates they lied about it. Oh also I have no motive for being in denial as I obviously have no problem with gayness. If you study anthropology/sociology, the history of sexuality certainly suggests a spectrum as I describe.

How do you think the majority of homosexual parents acquire babies to raise? Adoption and reproductive technology are far more expensive and difficult than natural procreation, regardless of how "unnatural" natural procreation comes to the participants.

Well there is quite a bit of pressure to try not to be gay if you're raised in a religious family. Had a friend who killed himself over this as his father was a local religious leader. There are gay people who simply choose an asexual lifestyle, by becoming priests or just living alone with cats or dogs. It's relatively "easy" for lesbians to have sex with somebody they're not attracted to, as they don't need an erection and active participation is optional. For guys it'd be a lot harder. Maybe they pretend their partner is somebody else, or are bisexual? :)

True. But the "ridiculous" argument in question is that homosexuals are not prohibited from marrying in general-- only members of the same sex. It is only one item on a fairly long list of legal requirements for marriage, and I simply don't see any grounds upon which it can be claimed that this requirement is more a "violation" of our "marriage rights" than any of the others. They are all related in one fashion or another to the form and function of marriage in our society and what we consider to be acceptable unions.

It isn't an assumption. It is a reasoned position on my part. I believe that marriage is meant to fulfill certain societal functions and thus that it is reasonable for marriage to be limited to those unions which either serve those functions or at the least do not undermine them. I do not support all of the current restrictions on marriage, but I would rather support all of them collectively than none of them. At this time, I am only willing to advocate for the lifting of one of these restrictions, that being the restriction that potential spouses must be of the opposite sex.

Hm, not really. It was more a matter of being against Mormons (polygamy), or preventing the birth of children with terrible diseases. But if marriage were really about producing healthy children, then fertility and financial security would be required for marriage. Marriage is treated as a contract between individuals moreso than an institution, with a few bigotry-inspired quirks here and there.

I believe that marriage serves roughly two functions, and that all of the benefits of marriage and all of the restrictions ought to revolve around these two functions. Remember, the State extends benefits and provides legal services for marriage that cost us money, so marriage itself must be justified.

These two functions are:
1) reinforce the ideal home environment for children, which includes (at least) two parents among other things
2) provide the basis for natural alliances between families

Natural alliances, lol... yeah people looove their step families. That's actually a new one to me, at least in a modern context. It makes sense if you're in a tribal society or trying to unite kingdoms. But the meaning of marriage has certainly changed and become more plural, which is for the better because we're not all looking for the same thing and we don't live in a feudal society.

Pimping is not buying.

lol, she's right on that one. Pimping is kind of like being their agent... where you screw them out of the money they get screwing others.

And plurality is a number that exceeds the remaining number.

Would you call 3 out of 5 a majority or plurality?

It is both.

Now suppose you have options Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow, 10 voters with a 50% turnout. If 2 vote for Red, and the other colors each receive 1 vote (out of 5 votes), then Red has a plurality, but not a majority. A majority did not vote for red, they voted for the other colors, but Red wins a plurality because it got twice as many votes as any of the other colors... The fact that persons 5-10 did not vote has no bearing on this.

Completely different issue............no comparison and you know it..........

Anti-miscegenation is a much closer example, as it, too was against people with "deviant" sexual preferences (for the other race), rather than against a race as a whole.
 
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errr... I didn't ask a "yes" or "no" question.

and not all the contracts are quite presented in the way by which they are in the marriage license.
so? How does that infringe on non-married people?

The marriage license automatically covers this instead of the complex nature of multiple contracts and fees associated with filing. If you also compress those contracts into maybe some easy form, it goes further into promoting your argument.
Please indicate where in the constitution or its interpretation that granting expediency of PRIVATE CIVIL contracts is a government obligation or a right of citizens..
 
It seems to me that the demographic that generally represents themselves as “liberal” claim that government controlled health care should happen because polls show a majority of the people want it, but when a majority of voters vote down gay marriage, it’s about individual rights?

Damn those evil libruls.
 
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