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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

Elena said:
I am not Jesus, but I can try to help you.

If you have 2 apples, it's 100%; if you have 200 apples, its 100%; if you have any number of apples, that number will be your 100%...

100% means "ALL THAT YOU HAVE".

Now, we have 94% of the total voting for an issue; that 94% will be our 100% where the issue is concerned. Comprende?
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In the case of a plurality winning candidate, the majority of the voters voted for someone else. The plurality wins the day. The majority is SOL.
 
Elena said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but when slavery was a wish of the majority, you had slavery.
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If I had to correct you every time you were wrong, it would be a full time job. Slavery was accepted when the Constitution was drafted and the current government created only to compromise enough to keep a fledgling Republic together. It was later abolished when we recognized the rights of the slaves. Now you can't do it, even if you had 95% of the people wanting slavery, you couldn't institute it because it infringes upon the rights of the individual. Just as prohibition of same sex marriage does (though not in magnitude).
 
Jerry said:
As a breeder I don't get to marry just whomever I love.
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Let me guess you're going to try and pull the "if person a doesn't want to marry me then I can't marry them despite my love for them" bullcrap? In order to get married you must have two consenting adults. Which means that you and your mate love each other. Yet two consenting homosexuals cannot marry the ones that they love.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Because they don't have the same rights as you. You get to marry who you love.
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They want to "marry" or do they want the rights marriage brings?

Are they missing the other points of what marriage is about?
 
Kal'Stang said:
And yet despite the majority wanting to keep blacks from marrying whites in Virginia the law seperating them was thrown out.
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At the time fully 70% of the populace nationwide wanted to keep those laws on the books. Ill link the gallup poll later.
 
Elena said:
They want to "marry" or do they want the rights marriage brings?

Are they missing the other points of what marriage is about?
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Marriage is simply a government issued contract. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Kal'Stang said:
And yet despite the majority wanting to keep blacks from marrying whites in Virginia the law seperating them was thrown out.
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Did the majority accepted it?
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Seem to recall that process involving a civil war, though. Not the best example of how things ought to work here.
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True.....but sadly in America's history is has rarely been seen...the granting of rights without a struggle.
 
Elena said:
So, who wins in the end: a candidate with the MAJORITY vote, or the one with the MINORITY vote?
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It depends upon what they are running for. Our president, for instance, is not selected by majority vote, but by the representatives of the electoral college. Furthermore, the decisions of the majority-elected legislators can be overturned by the will of the 9 member Supreme Court.

You wish to simplify this system down so you can understand it, eh? Fail.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It depends upon what they are running for. Our president, for instance, is not selected by majority vote, but by the representatives of the electoral college. Furthermore, the decisions of the majority-elected legislators can be overturned by the will of the 9 member Supreme Court.

You wish to simplify this system down so you can understand it, eh? Fail.
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What's fascinating is how right she always thinks she is. It's actually a little sad.
 
disneydude said:
True.....but sadly in America's history is has rarely been seen...the granting of rights without a struggle.
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Most often yes. You either have to fight bigotry or you have to fight to remove power from the State. Neither is easily tasked, but for the sake of liberty both must be fought.
 
Ikari said:
Most often yes. You either have to fight bigotry or you have to fight to remove power from the State. Neither is easily tasked, but for the sake of liberty both must be fought.
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if not tomorrow....then the day after that.
 
"Then, one April day we heard it
Thunder rumbling
One man speaking
Thousands singing ..
Someday we'll be free
I promise you, we'll be free
If not tomorrow
Then the day after that
And the candles in our hands
Will illuminate this land
If not tomorrow
Then the day after that
And the world that gives us pain
That fills our lives with fear
On the day after that
Will disappear
And the war we've fought to win
I promise you, we will win
If not tomorrow
Then the day after that
Or the day after that"
 
PeteEU said:
I just dont get it to be honest.

On one hand the US prides it self on freedom, liberty, equal rights and so on, and with the other hand it denies the very same thing to a minority of its population...

I guess soon we will see segregation laws proposed again in some states..
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There is a difference between the people and the state, this is nothing new..

In this case, IMO, the people are correct.
Their choice (no homosexual marriage) must be honored.
Lets now spend time and energy on matters than concern most of us, matters that are far more important :
health care finances/insurance
economic recovery
war
drugs and crime
maybe not in this order...
 
Elena said:
Online dictionary.

And does 49 surpass 45?
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Which dictionary? Link?

49 is a percentage ... the whole is 100. The whole is all votes cast - you cannot have less than 100% when considering all votes cast. 49 surpasses 45, and is a plurality; 49 does not pass half of all votes cast, and thus is not a majority.
 
disneydude said:
if not tomorrow....then the day after that.
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Free is not an easy existence at all. You must continually fight to preserve the exercise of your rights. Fight to ensure that rights in general are recognized and people are free to engage it it. You have to understand that you live inherently in a more dangerous environment since you're allowing people to be free. It's tough going. Free is definitely a low entropy state, and thus requires the input of massive work to maintain. But I say it's worth it.
 
Elena said:
Online dictionary.

And does 49 surpass 45?
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49 is larger, but it's not greater than half since half is defined at 50.
 
Ikari said:
49 is larger, but it's not greater than half since half is defined at 50.
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Right. It's a basic concept. I'm not sure I understand the source of the confusion.
 
Kal'Stang said:
In order to get married you must have two consenting adults.
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Two consenting adults that fall within accepted parameters of relationship by blood or marriage-- said parameters varying by state-- and who are both legal permanent residents of the United States, who are not currently married to other people regardless of the consent of all parties involved. Some States have residency requirements for one or both of the spouses-to-be. Some States have age requirements other than "adult," ranging if I recall correctly from 12 (with parental permission) to 19.

So no, just because someone is heterosexual does not mean that they can just marry whomever they wish. There are numerous legal requirements that must be met aside from the intended spouses being of the opposite sex, and if marriage is a human right than any couple-- not just homosexual couples-- that do not meet each and every one of those specific legal requirements that vary by State is being denied their right to marriage.

Marriage is not a right. It is a set of legal privileges offered by the State for qualifying participants.
 
jackalope said:
Right. It's a basic concept. I'm not sure I understand the source of the confusion.
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You and me both pal. I thought fractions were covered in like elementary school.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Marriage is not a right. It is a set of legal privileges offered by the State for qualifying participants.
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However, since it takes the form of contract, and the individual has the right to contract, it becomes more than privilege granted by the State.
 
disneydude said:
True.....but sadly in America's history is has rarely been seen...the granting of rights without a struggle.
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This is really a world wide thing, NOT just our nation.
In truth, we may have more rights for the homosexual than must, if not all...
Not that we are the most advanced nation....we are not...I think...
 
Ikari said:
Marriage is simply a government issued contract. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Not according to polygamists and what other government contract can't I enter into with my sister?
 
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