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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

Hatuey said:
Yes. It won't happen. I remember George Wallace saying something along those lines a few decades ago. Look at what happened to that.
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It won't happen as I siad you don't understand maine as a Population the State is getting Older with allot of folks under 35 moving out beause of many different reason. With-in the next five to ten years maine is going ot be on eof th eOldest population in the USA. But once again you all know more about Maine then I and athe other Mainers who have posted in this thread.
 
aps said:
Oh gosh. I am heartbroken and pissed about this. I really hoped this would not be repealed.
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I voted Yes and proud that I did vote yes. Nothing like special rights for folks.
 
Scorpion89 said:
So folks here you go please show me where in the U Const. or Bil of Rights or any US Code that say anyone has the right to be married to who every they want to. I'll be waiting for this.
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The only way I could see it being a right would be under Freedom of Association.
 
Ikari said:
Of course it is. Do you read and comprehend things which are put down on this site. The question was difference between majority and plurality. Plurality does not necessarily mean majority.
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Thank you! So 49 is still a majority compare to 45.

Btw, politicaly perverted word "plurality" on close inspection means same "majority".
 
"straights" need to just knock it off and allow gays to be officially connected.
"gays" need to stop being such drama queens and accept the damn civil union
"insurance companies" need to stop being dicks and accept civil unions, too.

it's ridiculous that we have to waste time passing and repealing legislation that clearly infringes upon the Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness that TAXPAYERS are entitled too, no matter what they do with their johnson or hoo-ha.
 
B L Zeebub said:
Probably Welsh;)
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I thought it was you who had a house in Wales?..

Speaking of "anal",
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Scorpion89 said:
So folks here you go please show me where in the U Const. or Bil of Rights or any US Code that say anyone has the right to be married to who every they want to. I'll be waiting for this.
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Show me where it prohibits taxpayers from pursuing happiness that doesn't infringe upon anyone Else's rights.
 
Scorpion89 said:
It won't happen as I siad you don't understand maine as a Population the State is getting Older with allot of folks under 35 moving out beause of many different reason. With-in the next five to ten years maine is going ot be on eof th eOldest population in the USA. But once again you all know more about Maine then I and athe other Mainers who have posted in this thread.
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Your post assumes that as Maine voters get older they'll change their social issue stances. As far as I can tell there seems to be a mostly even split and no signs of the population going one way or the other excepts for Federal elections. Where it goes Democrat. Why isn't Maine a Republican state? Why has Maine been a solid Democrat/Liberal state since the 80s? You seem to make it a point to always want to speak speak from an argument of authority. Like you have some sort of sociology degree on Maine citizens. Or like you know somebody is good at something because you saw them in a magazine. I suggest you change your tone. It's called an argumentum ad verecundiam.
 
Scorpion89 said:
No it's not you have no idea what your talking abouit.

So folks here you go please show me where in the U Const. or Bil of Rights or any US Code that say anyone has the right to be married to who every they want to. I'll be waiting for this.
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The marriage contract is a contract, and the People have the right to contract.
 
LiveUninhibited said:
Majority means they got one vote over 50% of votes. Plurality could be any percentage, depending upon the number of candidates. For example, the minimum percentage for a plurality with ten candidates would be one vote over 10%.

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You just explained not the meaning of the word "majority", but the particulars of the US voting system.

The meaning is still "The greater number or part". If you take 94 as 100%, then 49 will be over 50%.
 
Elena said:
Thank you! So 49 is still a majority compare to 45.

Btw, politicaly perverted word "plurality" on close inspection means same "majority".
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No. Majority specifically means 50% +1, plurality merely means the largest percentage of all options.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
The fact that no children can be directly produce is itself one possible argument why the State shouldn't recognize such unions. They would be subsidizing through tax incentives relationships which do not serve at least one of the functions for which marriages are subsidized.
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This would only be valid if we required heterosexual marriages to produce children. We do not disallow infertile people to wed. We do not even disallow sex offenders who are disallowed from contact with children to wed. So it is treating gays unequally to require that they produce children in order to marry. However, I should say that some people are bisexual but prefer the same sex, so sometimes there are children whose lives can achieve greater stability with gay marriage, and those children will exist with or without SSM.

I actually have no problem with allowing blood siblings to marry as long as they have no affinity-- they were raised as unrelated by different families-- because the risk for birth defects in sibling pairings is no higher than that caused by the mother being over the age of forty at birth. On the other hand, I don't think first or second cousins by affinity should be allowed to marry regardless of their relatively safe degree of consanguinity because marriage is, among other things, the establishment of affinity between two separate families.
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That seems arbitrary to me. We disallow incestuous marriages because of the increased risk of birth defects, not by some traditional notion of what marriage is. If tradition were relied upon, anti-miscegenation would never have been overturned.

Personally I would allow incestuous relationships if given one of the two following assumptions: 1. Abortion is okay and screening for defects is adequate. 2. ~0% chance of offspring.
 
aps said:
Do you have an understanding as to how and why the Senate was created to have the same number of representatives from each state no matter how many people populate the state?
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Have you finished working on that film of yours?
 
Ikari said:
The wishes of the majority prevail so long as those wishes do not infringe upon the rights of the minority.
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And I was talking about the rights to impose a wish.

So if the majority do not wish to accept gay-marriage law, their right to impose that wish on minority that do prevail?
Amen to that!
 
Elena said:
You just explained not the meaning of the word "majority", but the particulars of the US voting system.

The meaning is still "The greater number or part". If you take 94 as 100%, then 49 will be over 50%.
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No it has nothing to do with the American voting system, it has to do with the meaning of the word majority and plurality:

ma⋅jor⋅i⋅ty  /məˈdʒɔrɪti, -ˈdʒɒr-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [muh-jawr-i-tee, -jor-] Show IPA
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–noun, plural -ties. 1. the greater part or number; the number larger than half the total (opposed to minority ): the majority of the population.
2. a number of voters or votes, jurors, or others in agreement, constituting more than half of the total number.
3. the amount by which the greater number, as of votes, surpasses the remainder (distinguished from plurality ).
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A majority will always be a plurality, but a plurality will not always be a majority. Majority is more specific than plurality. Perhaps that's what had you confused.
 
Ikari said:
No. Majority specifically means 50% +1, plurality merely means the largest percentage of all options.
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Dictionary is your friend.
 
LiveUninhibited said:
That seems arbitrary to me. We disallow incestuous marriages because of the increased risk of birth defects, not by some traditional notion of what marriage is.
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The increased risk for birth defects is trivial and we allow women over 40 and people with diagnosed inheritable defects to wed-- the former having a similar risk for birth defects as full blood siblings and the latter having a far greater risk. The possibility of birth defects is insufficient cause to prohibit incestuous marriage, especially between first or even second cousins.

LiveUninhibited said:
Personally I would allow incestuous relationships if given one of the two following assumptions: 1. Abortion is okay and screening for defects is adequate. 2. ~0% chance of offspring.
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I wouldn't allow it under any circumstances. It damages society and undermines the institution of marriage in ways that have nothing at all to do with genetics.
 
Elena said:
Have you finished working on that film of yours?
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I can be a bottom and post at the same time. I'm amazing.

So answer the question, Ms. Omniscience.
 
LiveUninhibited said:
No it has nothing to do with the American voting system, it has to do with the meaning of the word majority and plurality:



A majority will always be a plurality, but a plurality will not always be a majority. Majority is more specific than plurality. Perhaps that's what had you confused.
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Democracy = 51% rule
Republic = Plurality rule

America = Republic


Yes?
 
Elena said:
And I was talking about the rights to impose a wish.

So if the majority do not wish to accept gay-marriage law, their right to impose that wish on minority that do prevail?
Amen to that!
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Wow. I'm not sure if you're being factious here or if you're really this dense. If the majority wants slavery, their wish is not imposed as that wish infringes upon the rights of the minority. Banning same sex marriage infringes upon the right of contract by the individual. Hence, it is unjust.
 
jamesrage said:
So you would be cool if legislators passed a law in Milwaukee requiring that citizens be armed or required that creation be taught in schools after all they were elected to pass laws?
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Arm every single citizen in the country, and please teach religion as I was in school, it made me the raging Atheist I am today.

You are obviously playing a game of stereotypes here. Just because I support same-sex marriage does not make me an opponent of gun rights and religion.

Also, if the voters in Milwaukee decided to ban handguns and/or Creation, then so be it. I would respect that just as I do the same-sex marriage bans. All it means is that there is more work to be done.
 
LiveUninhibited said:
No it has nothing to do with the American voting system, it has to do with the meaning of the word majority and plurality:



A majority will always be a plurality, but a plurality will not always be a majority. Majority is more specific than plurality. Perhaps that's what had you confused.
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It's a bit amazing that there seems to be a human unable to comprehend this. I'm not sure if she's being exactly truthful with us. Or at least, that is what I want to believe because I don't want to acknowledge that there are humans unable to understand simple definitions.
 
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