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Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law

In 1995, support for gay marriage exceeded 30% in only six states: New York, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, California, and Vermont. In these states, support for gay marriage has increased by an average of almost 20 percentage points

Support up 20% points in a decade. Looks like your dream discrimination is going to end sooner than even most people expected.
 
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In 1995, support for gay marriage exceeded 30% in only six states: New York, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, California, and Vermont. In these states, support for gay marriage has increased by an average of almost 20 percentage points

How is it doing in Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, etc....?
 
How is it doing in Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, etc....?
Why don't you educate yourself and find out. :doh (Can you read a graph?)

Attitudes are changing rapidly throughout the country....only the old stubborn Republicans are hanging in there.

BTW NAvy....if you read the chart....Virginia is actually middle of the road, #25 of the states most in favor of gay marriage. Alabama and Kentucky and other badwoods states are near the bottom....pretty much where I would expect them to be if the issue were interracial marriage.
 
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BTW NAvy....you seem to have no problem with the right-wing packing the courts with radical judges. What about GWB's activist picks?

Activism is OK when you agree with it ;)
 
Why don't you educate yourself and find out. :doh (Can you read a graph?)

Attitudes are changing rapidly throughout the country....only the old stubborn Republicans are hanging in there.

BTW NAvy....if you read the chart....Virginia is actually middle of the road, #25 of the states most in favor of gay marriage. Alabama and Kentucky and other badwoods states are near the bottom....pretty much where I would expect them to be if the issue were interracial marriage.

Virginia amended it's State Constitution and thus polls are irrelevant here. IN the context of what you're saying, I agree and why I think it a mistake for the gay community to push this fake issue now. Why not wait until you stand a chance, it's 0-31 in referendum.
 
Exactly.

I understand my those against gay marriage would want the issue to stop. The tide is against them and coming fast.
Once the crack in those walls gives....look out.
The reality is, the polls are changing rapidly and gay marriage will exist sooner than most of us even thought realistically possible.
10 years ago I hoped that I would see it at some point in my lifetime.
Now...its not even a question and I expect to see it while I am still relatively a young man.
 
Exactly.

I understand my those against gay marriage would want the issue to stop. The tide is against them and coming fast.
Once the crack in those walls gives....look out.
The reality is, the polls are changing rapidly and gay marriage will exist sooner than most of us even thought realistically possible.
10 years ago I hoped that I would see it at some point in my lifetime.
Now...its not even a question and I expect to see it while I am still relatively a young man.

I don't know man this says different...

PORTLAND, Maine - Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.

Gay marriage has now lost in every single state — 31 in all — in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine — known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate — and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.

With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.

Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law - More politics- msnbc.com


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I don't know man this says different...

PORTLAND, Maine - Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.

Gay marriage has now lost in every single state — 31 in all — in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine — known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate — and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.

With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.

Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law - More politics- msnbc.com


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I don't think that means much. Compared to how people viewed homosexuals in the early 80's, this is pretty huge progress. I think it's only inevitable that things will continue to do so. This issue isn't going to go away and it will continue until gay marriage is allowed.
 
I don't think that means much. Compared to how people viewed homosexuals in the early 80's, this is pretty huge progress. I think it's only inevitable that things will continue to do so. This issue isn't going to go away and it will continue until gay marriage is allowed.

I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just

I also think more people see it like I do than people on either side are willing to admit.
 
I don't think that means much. Compared to how people viewed homosexuals in the early 80's, this is pretty huge progress. I think it's only inevitable that things will continue to do so. This issue isn't going to go away and it will continue until gay marriage is allowed.

I don't know, I believe same sex marriage has seen its high water mark. Even with astronomical turnout during the 2008 Presidential election and in massively blue states like California, ssm gets absolutely torched.
 
I don't think that means much. Compared to how people viewed homosexuals in the early 80's, this is pretty huge progress. I think it's only inevitable that things will continue to do so. This issue isn't going to go away and it will continue until gay marriage is allowed.

I agree. I am against gay marriage because I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just semantics, but oh well.

I also think more people see it like I do than people on either side of this issue are willing to admit.
 
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I don't know man this says different...

PORTLAND, Maine - Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.

Gay marriage has now lost in every single state — 31 in all — in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine — known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate — and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.

With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.

Maine voters repeal gay-marriage law - More politics- msnbc.com


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How does that say different. Ten years ago, this wouldn't have even been close. 2 years from now the result will likely be even closer or gay marriage may win outright.
The reality is....the change in attitudes and demographics is changing the face of this issue rapidly.
 
I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just

I also think more people see it like I do than people on either side are willing to admit.

Why do you believe that some people are entitled to certain rights and privileges while feeling justified in denying those same rights and privileges to others?

Saying "I don't think it is marriage" is fine for an opinion.....which you are certainly entitled to have. It doesn't however mean that it is correct.
 
Virginia amended it's State Constitution and thus polls are irrelevant here. IN the context of what you're saying, I agree and why I think it a mistake for the gay community to push this fake issue now. Why not wait until you stand a chance, it's 0-31 in referendum.

Virginia amended its State Constitution and thus polls are irrelevant here. IN the context of what you're saying, I agree, and that is why I think it's a mistake for the Gay Community to push this fake issue now. Why not wait until you stand a chance? It's 0-31 in referendum.

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How does that say different. Ten years ago, this wouldn't have even been close. 2 years from now the result will likely be even closer or gay marriage may win outright.
The reality is....the change in attitudes and demographics is changing the face of this issue rapidly.

The fact it was a law and got voted down says allot.

I agree it is changing, but not as rapidly as you like to think. The number in recent elections bears this out.

Welcome to a reality check.
 
I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just

I also think more people see it like I do than people on either side are willing to admit.

That's quite possible. I completely understand where you are coming from, but no one religion has a monopoly on "marriage" as an institution. A lot of people who don't want to call it "marriage" are coming from a religious point of view and religion shouldn't dictate politics, nor should politics dictate religion. No church should be forced to perform a marriage that is against their ideology. I think that alone, if it were implemented, would take away a lot of the concern that people have about calling it marriage.
 
I agree. I am against gay marriage only as I don't think it is marraige. I am not against gay couples having all the same benefits as heterosexual married couples. Call it civil unions or whatever, but don't call it marraige. I know it is just

The problem is that it is a legal issue and people have used these in past to discriminate from a legal POV.
 
Why do you believe that some people are entitled to certain rights and privileges while feeling justified in denying those same rights and privileges to others?

Saying "I don't think it is marriage" is fine for an opinion.....which you are certainly entitled to have. It doesn't however mean that it is correct.

According to some religions it isn't marriage and probably never will be. They should be afforded the right to not have to perform a marriage if they don't agree with it ideologically. We shouldn't be forcing this stuff down their throats via legislation. One thing of concern is that if gay marriage were legal there would inevitably be issues with certain churches that refuse to perform these ceremonies.
 
That's quite possible. I completely understand where you are coming from, but no one religion has a monopoly on "marriage" as an institution. A lot of people who don't want to call it "marriage" are coming from a religious point of view and religion shouldn't dictate politics, nor should politics dictate religion.

I disagree. A persons religion should dictate their politics. So because an atheist has a different set of moral values not influenced by religion his or her vote should have more power? No, it should not.

In essence religion will always influence politics as long as religion exists. Not as a religious institution as I agree on that point but that is where it ends.

No church should be forced to perform a marriage that is against their ideology. I think that alone, if it were implemented, would take away a lot of the concern that people have about calling it marriage.

No it wouldn't, people think it is morally wrong. Or like me think it is not a marraige.
 
The problem is that it is a legal issue and people have used these in past to discriminate from a legal POV.

If the government would have just left marraige alone in the first place this, would not even be a problem. Since they did not it is a problem and we will deal with it.

Fact is the voters have said they don't want it.

End of story for now.
 
I disagree. A persons religion should dictate their politics. So because an atheist has a different set of moral values not influenced by religion his or her vote should have more power? No, it should not.

In essence religion will always influence politics as long as religion exists. Not as a religious institution as I agree on that point but that is where it ends.

Influencing is one thing. I'm talking about religion dictating politics. Politics shouldn't be changed for purely religious reasons. I'm not saying this doesn't happen, because it does. I think that the true spirit of this country is against that sort of thing.


No it wouldn't, people think it is morally wrong. Or like me think it is not a marraige.

And most people's moral views are influenced largely by their religious or spiritual beliefs.
 
If the government would have just left marraige alone in the first place this, would not even be a problem. Since they did not it is a problem and we will deal with it.

I don't see how that would have solved anything. There's absolutely no reason why same sex couples shouldn't have the same legal rights that heterosexual couples do. It's incredibly easy to be unsympathetic to an issue when you aren't in it yourself or don't have loved ones who experience it. The current system is incredibly discriminatory and it should be changed to at least allow civil unions.
 
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