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Conservative Loses Upstate House Race in Blow to Right

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WillRockwell said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/nyregion/04district.html?hp

Well what do you know, even a district that is historically Republican couldn't stomach the new conservative agenda.
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That guy the Conservative Party ran up there was such a stiff with no connection whatsoever to the area.

NJ replaced a Governor with corruption issues with a candidate with ethical issues. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

Virginia independents voted for change--I guess...:confused:
 
WillRockwell said:
sorry, I misread your quote. Nevertheless, I do not see any mention of the NY23 race today on the Fox website. It's as if it didn't happen.
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It's in their main story:

Republicans Win Governor's Races in New Jersey, Virginia - FOXNews.com

Republican Chris Christie beats incumbent Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine in New Jersey; Republican Bob McDonnell trounces Democrat Creigh Deeds in Virginia. Democrats prevent a shut-out by winning an upstate New York congressional seat.
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They're talking about on TV, too.
 
If Scozzafava hadn't gotten part of the vote, this could have turned out much different.
 
hoffman was not a republican
 
The Prof said:
hoffman was not a republican
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Well, there was no GOP candidate. He would have surely caucused with the GOP and he got all the heavy-hitter GOP support.

Lieberman ran as an independent when he lost the DEM primary. He caucases with the Dems; however, he does have an independent streak on some issues. Notably, the GWOT and recently, Health care. Lest we forget he was the 2000 Democratic VP candidate.

If Hoffman is the conservative candidate, there is no way, in theory, that he would ever vote with the democrats, so by default you could consider him the GOP candidate.

But technically, you are correct. In reality, you are not.
 
technicality vs reality

LOL!

a republican in ny23 would have won by 10

ask jersey-ites
 
The Prof said:
technicality vs reality LOL!
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Why is that funny? I don't get it. My premise is pretty sound. Technically, you are correct, but in reality Hoffman would have voted with the GOP. I don't understand why this is so hilarious. Am I wrong?

a republican in ny23 would have won by 10

ask jersey-ites
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Maybe so, I don't know. Do you live in NY-23? Are they pretty moderate?

The departing Rep. became the Army Secretary, so he must have been pretty moderate to be selected by Obama for the job.
 
a republican picked thru normal, healthy primary processes would have had the legitimacy scozzafava and hoffman lacked and would have been in a much stronger position
 
The guy they elected, I am reading, while a democrat is a fiscal conservative, a small business owner and a former AF officer....


Pretty strong canidate compared to the mess the republicans created.
 
WillRockwell said:
Link? The New York Times seems to think it's over, and the numbers look pretty decisive to me. How is a lead of over four percent "too close to call"?

Winner: Bill Owens
Bill Owens Dem. 63,496 49.3%
Doug Hoffman Con. 58,161 45.2
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I like that both sides suck so bad, neither could get to over 50%.
 
The Prof said:
a republican picked thru normal, healthy primary processes would have had the legitimacy scozzafava and hoffman lacked and would have been in a much stronger position
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Maybe so, that would seem logical since the departing Rep. had no problem getting elected several times. Though, I would posit that Hoffman has garnered plenty of legitimacy in the last three weeks. Probably more national attention than any congressional candidate in years.

I still don't understand why my technically vs. reality comment was so hilarious to you?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The guy they elected, I am reading, while a democrat is a fiscal conservative, a small business owner and a former AF officer....


Pretty strong canidate compared to the mess the republicans created.
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Very true, thanks for posting that.
 
Ikari said:
I like that both sides suck so bad, neither could get to over 50%.
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Scozzafava got 6% of the vote. That explains everything.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
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I'm pretty sure Obama thought that he was endorsing calzones there. President's gotta eat!
 
apdst said:
Scozzafava got 6% of the vote. That explains everything.
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No it doesn't. If one of the candidates was awesome, he'd still have gotten over 50%. It's clear that people are just voting for asshole A or asshole B.
 
WillRockwell said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/nyregion/04district.html?hp

Well what do you know, even a district that is historically Republican couldn't stomach the new conservative agenda.
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That's not quite how it went down. Scozzafava, the Republican, dropped out, but his name was still on the ballot, and he got 6%, which would have gone to Doug Hoffman, the Conservative. This was enough to give the Democrats the victory. A split vote is not enough to call it a mandate, nor to make sweeping statements, like the one you just made.
 
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Scozzi's a she. :)
 
danarhea said:
That's not quite how it went down. Scozzafava, the Republican, dropped out, but his name was still on the ballot, and he got 6%, which would have gone to Doug Hoffman, the Conservative. This was enough to give the Democrats the victory. A split vote is not enough to call it a mandate, nor to make sweeping statements, like the one you just made.
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Lovely excuse, I expected as much. The fact is the teabag agenda being touted as the New Voice of Republicans is distasteful to people, as are the obnoxious sycophants who preach it.
 
WillRockwell said:
Lovely excuse, I expected as much. The fact is the teabag agenda being touted as the New Voice of Republicans is distasteful to people, as are the obnoxious sycophants who preach it.
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The only obnoxious sycophants are the far left lunatic fringe obama apparatchiks who use vulgar terms to describe thier fellow Americans.
 
Ikari said:
I like that both sides suck so bad, neither could get to over 50%.
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None of the candidates were A-listers. The district is about to be sliced and diced in the next re-districting. Whoever wins the seat in 2010 will be seatless in 2012.
 
jackalope said:
None of the candidates were A-listers. The district is about to be sliced and diced in the next re-districting. Whoever wins the seat in 2010 will be seatless in 2012.
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woot! Gerrymandering!
 
WillRockwell said:
Lovely excuse, I expected as much. The fact is the teabag agenda being touted as the New Voice of Republicans is distasteful to people, as are the obnoxious sycophants who preach it.
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What, like the obnoxious uber-lefty sycophants who cling to a single, split, small district filler election as their moment of triumph?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The only obnoxious sycophants are the far left lunatic fringe obama apparatchiks who use vulgar terms to describe thier fellow Americans.
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Well, some on the right have called them socialists, marxists, communists and nazis, so we'll just call this one a wash.

Ah, partisanship. So nasty.

I'm glad I don't have to deal with it.
 
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