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Ethereal said:
The reason they aren't concerned with Canada right now is because they're too busy trying to destroy America. They're fighting us all over the globe. We have hundreds of thousands of troops in the field. They're kind of busy at the moment.

Ultimately, they see no difference between an American and a Canadian; we're all infidels whose head they would gladly cut off.
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I don't think it's that simple. The terrorism we've seen against Western nations, such as the bombings in the EU since the original 9-11 attacks, were organized by separate individuals, largely. Theoretically, anyone sympathetic to the cause who is radical enough could make an attack in any country without instruction. So again, the idea of "they" is misleading. There is no "they", there are only individuals taking up arms. Of course, active terrorist cells are the exception to this.

Aside from the FLQ crisis, Canada has no modern history of suffering terrorist attacks or even the threat thereof. I think the idea that "the terrorists" (again, nameless and numberless) see no difference between Canada and the U.S. is a blanket statement. It depends on who we are dealing with, their motives, etc. For example, the terrorists busted in Canada had no relation to Al Quaeda.

Terrorism has always existed... but the recent attacks are in relation to U.S. historical foreign policy in the ME. Canada has no tie to that, and thus there have been no official attacks in relation to that. In effect, the U.S. is dealing with its own foreign policy disaster. Global terrorism in the vague sense will continue to remain what it has always been and will be dealt with on a case by case basis. I realize the media now has a tendency to connect all acts of violence with terrorism, but that's their usual sensationalist agenda for ratings and in reality terrorism takes place for a huge variety of reasons.

Ethereal said:
If America suddenly withdraws its military presence from across the globe the terrorists will follow us back to our borders. Do you really think Islamo-Nazis see a future with Canadians in it?
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Note the bold: your borders. Exactly that. Their vendetta is for the U.S., not Canada. They want blood and it's not Canadian blood. It's why I'm glad Canada didn't join the Iraqi invasion... it has nothing to do with us. We went into Afghanistan to support an ally and that's about it.

As for your question... I have no idea. Depends on which Islamo-Nazi you're talking about. I think the risk to Canada is low, and I think the probability of a future large scale attack on the U.S. is also low, though present.
 
Jerry said:
Wow and here I thought you were honoring those who give you the right to come here and talk ****.
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The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have nothing to do with my freedoms in Canada as declared under the Commonwealth.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
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Yea, who needs modern fighter jets? Those things are so stupid.
 
Orius said:
I don't think it's that simple. The terrorism we've seen against Western nations, such as the bombings in the EU since the original 9-11 attacks, were organized by separate individuals, largely. Theoretically, anyone sympathetic to the cause who is radical enough could make an attack in any country without instruction. So again, the idea of "they" is misleading. There is no "they", there are only individuals taking up arms. Of course, active terrorist cells are the exception to this.
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I agree with the isolated nature of certain terrorists and potential terrorist action but I vehemently disagree that there is no "they". There is a vast social, political, and religious core that hates America and wants to see it destroyed or severely weakened; namely the Arab aristocracy, Iran and its proxies, and AQ.

Aside from the FLQ crisis, Canada has no modern history of suffering terrorist attacks or even the threat thereof. I think the idea that "the terrorists" (again, nameless and numberless) see no difference between Canada and the U.S. is a blanket statement. It depends on who we are dealing with, their motives, etc. For example, the terrorists busted in Canada had no relation to Al Qaeda.

Terrorism has always existed... but the recent attacks are in relation to U.S. historical foreign policy in the ME. Canada has no tie to that, and thus there have been no official attacks in relation to that. In effect, the U.S. is dealing with its own foreign policy disaster. Global terrorism in the vague sense will continue to remain what it has always been and will be dealt with on a case by case basis. I realize the media now has a tendency to connect all acts of violence with terrorism, but that's their usual sensationalist agenda for ratings and in reality terrorism takes place for a huge variety of reasons.
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Hindsight can be useful but I'm not sure that it really solves anything. Yea, America made some bad foreign policy decisions and is experiencing blowback effects, but I think people tend to exaggerate our role in this while overlooking the massive role Europe's imperialism played in it.

Anyway, America's enemies aren't going to just leave us alone anymore. What's done is done. So, if you want to wash your hands of America and let us "pay" for mistakes that were made before I was born then that's your prerogative. Just don't assume that they'll leave you guys alone while they're trying to infiltrate and destroy the United States.

Note the bold: your borders. Exactly that. Their vendetta is for the U.S., not Canada. They want blood and it's not Canadian blood. It's why I'm glad Canada didn't join the Iraqi invasion... it has nothing to do with us. We went into Afghanistan to support an ally and that's about it.
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I didn't ask for this war. It was handed to me. America can't just walk away from this anymore. And since you readily admit that it will be OUR borders they return to we have absolutely no incentive to assume a defensive military posture. I'd rather stay in Iraq for the next thousand years than increase the likelihood of a serious attack on American soil.

As for your question... I have no idea. Depends on which Islamo-Nazi you're talking about. I think the risk to Canada is low, and I think the probability of a future large scale attack on the U.S. is also low, though present.
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Taliban / AQ types who want to institute the Caliphate. They have no tolerance for Western culture or people. The reason they concentrate on America NOW is because we're the biggest threat to their ultimate vision; a vision which doesn't involve Canada or liberalism.
 
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Middleground said:
I'm trying hard to remember when Canada needed protection, and listed the aid of American Military forces. Can you think of any, Orius?
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Weren't you all invaded by the danish a couple years ago? ;)
 
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Orius said:
Terrorism has always existed... but the recent attacks are in relation to U.S. historical foreign policy in the ME. Canada has no tie to that, and thus there have been no official attacks in relation to that. In effect, the U.S. is dealing with its own foreign policy disaster.
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I do mostly agree with that, though I will add that I think we have been seen in a different light since our involvement in Afghanistan. I am sure some of the militants see us no different than Americans because of it. Otherwise, we have always been quite insignificant.
 
Middleground said:
I do mostly agree with that, though I will add that I think we have been seen in a different light since our involvement in Afghanistan. I am sure some of the militants see us no different than Americans because of it. Otherwise, we have always been quite insignificant.
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The idea that you are somehow seen as uninvolved and impartial is, and always has been, a myth. You are a western nation. That is sufficient to make your country the enemy. Burying your heads in the sand will be insufficient to keep you uninvolved in the long run.
 
Middleground said:
I do mostly agree with that, though I will add that I think we have been seen in a different light since our involvement in Afghanistan. I am sure some of the militants see us no different than Americans because of it. Otherwise, we have always been quite insignificant.
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Until you "come to Islam" as the leader of Al qaeda once stated, you are the enemy.
 
I would have rather rebuilt the towers. Bigger than before.
 
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Jerry said:
Wow and here I thought you were honoring those who give you the right to come here and talk ****.
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The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have nothing to do with my freedoms in Canada as declared under the Commonwealth.
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The DP server is in the States, not Canada :2wave:
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Eff the "Freedom tower" the cronieisms, and Eff Bloomberg.
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The tower is never gonna be built, Bloomberg and Albany cant get anything right. They should give the project over to Trump, it would probably would be done within five years if a private company was allowed to do it.
 
I got to have a look because it went by New Orleans. It was very foggy and that added to the somberness.
 
Jerry said:
The DP server is in the States, not Canada :2wave:
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Then maybe DP should make it so that only people with American IP addresses can log on. Until then, STFU. :2wave:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The idea that you are somehow seen as uninvolved and impartial is, and always has been, a myth. You are a western nation. That is sufficient to make your country the enemy. Burying your heads in the sand will be insufficient to keep you uninvolved in the long run.
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Yes, we in Canada are aware of the propaganda war between the radicals and the American media. We were also sold similar stories when it came to the invasion of Iraq, and we didn't buy into it, which is why we never joined the "coalition of the willing".

We will never defeat terrorism. The idea that we can is a perpetual lie. Furthermore, you cannot defeat terrorism by committing acts of terror. If you want terrorism to stop, then stop terrorizing people. It's that simple. We have not brought peace to the Middle East; we've brought more chaos, death, and destruction to ancient civilizations. They hate us even more now, but of course, they hate the U.S. the most.

Calling it burying our heads in the sand is just laughable. Why should we get involved in a protracted conflict that doesn't affect us? What did Iraq have to do with the war on terror? The answer is nothing. All of those resources could have been put to use in the Afghan front, which by the way Canada was leading during America's tangent and media blitz in Iraq. While America was too busy debating the finer points of attacking Baghdad, the rest of NATO was busy maintaining Afghanistan. Canada commanded the South until recently. But will you admit that? No. You glossed over my last post, and continue to put your foot in your mouth.

Furthermore, Al Qaeda has been fairly crippled by allied forces. I doubt it poses the same risk as it once did. Bin Laden is probably dead, given that we haven't seen a clear video recording of him in years. Then again, we have sewed the seeds of the next generational hatred towards the U.S. by blowing up so many innocent people, so the dangers are even greater.

The idea that we are defending ourselves is a myth. The ME campaigns are about conquest and little else.
 
Orius said:
We will never defeat terrorism. The idea that we can is a perpetual lie. Furthermore, you cannot defeat terrorism by committing acts of terror. If you want terrorism to stop, then stop terrorizing people. It's that simple. We have not brought peace to the Middle East; we've brought more chaos, death, and destruction to ancient civilizations. They hate us even more now, but of course, they hate the U.S. the most.
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Well, you can try always pursue the Luxembourg approach.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Well, you can try always pursue the Luxembourg approach.
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Nice way of glossing over yet another lengthy post directed at you. I see you have no interest in debate, just dishing out unclever one-liners.

Tootles.
 
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