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Iran Rejects Deal to Ship Out Uranium, Officials Report

Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

BTW, when is he going to sit down with ImOnAJihad and reason this all out, like he promised?

Since you decided to jump in (and then not answer the question), I'll pose it to you:

What do you want Obama to do?
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Since you decided to jump in (and then not answer the question), I'll pose it to you:

What do you want Obama to do?
Sit down with ImOnAJihad and discuss this like two adults.
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Sit down with ImOnAJihad and discuss this like two adults.

So you aren't interested in seriously debating the subject, and just prefer drive-by trolling. Got it.
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

So you aren't interested in seriously debating the subject, and just prefer drive-by trolling. Got it.

Well Dear Leader said that's what he wanted to do and this supposed agreement aka non-agreement was heralded by the White House press office aka the MSM as a great victory for Dear Leaders foreign policy. pfft
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Give Israel the go ahead for a full tactical strike on Iranian nuclear facilities and support them with U.S. air refueling tankers and U.S. intelligence.

This is a cop-out answer for people who want to sound tough without bothering to actually think through the situation. Israel can huff and puff, but they are most certainly not capable of ending Iran's WMD program. They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?
 
This is a cop-out answer for people who want to sound tough without bothering to actually think through the situation. Israel can huff and puff, but they are most certainly not capable of ending Iran's WMD program. They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?

Not that I agree with Ferris either, but your military analysis is flawed.

They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?
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There is no valid comparison between fighting a skirmish with Hezbollah and fighting a war with Iran in the air. Iran's nuclear sites may number in the thousands (although I'd like a source) but only a few sites need to be destroyed in order to serious set back them back quite a few years. The sole problem is the range and airspace violations needed to get there. As of publicly known data, Israel would have to do some really dangerous aerial re-fueling in order to carry a sufficient payload in required targets. That said, Israel is obviously aware of this fact, and it is unlikely that they don't have some sort of back-up plan in mind. Relying on the fact that Israeli's doesn't have the ability to attack Iran would be a very risky gamble.
 
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The real question is why they rejected it. If it merely is the issue regarding Frances former contract regarding the fuel, that would be a cost worth paying in order to avoid weapons. If it is something else, who knows.

They're building a bomb and don't want some foreigners controlling their U235 assets.

Their entire game has been to talk, talk, talk, delay, delay, delay. And it's working.
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

What do you want Obama to do?

Unilaterally strike the known Iraqi nuclear weapons facilities and set their program back at least a decade to give the US a chance to flush the turd and get a real president who will deal effectively with Iran and Russia.

Right now your Messiah is doing exactly what Bush was doing, the wrong thing.
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Give Israel the go ahead for a full tactical strike on Iranian nuclear facilities and support them with U.S. air refueling tankers and U.S. intelligence.

If the US is going to provide logistical support to Isreal, we may as well do the task ourselves and leave Isreal out of it.
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

This is a cop-out answer for people who want to sound tough without bothering to actually think through the situation. Israel can huff and puff, but they are most certainly not capable of ending Iran's WMD program. They could only fight Hezbollah to a draw through a full-scale invasion of a neighboring country...what makes you think that a country the size of New Jersey can wipe out thousands of nuclear sites thousands of miles away, in a country thousands of times larger?

Lol it wasn't a full scale invasion so stuff your revisionist history, it was a half assed, arm tied behind their back invasion that stopped well short of its objectives due to pressure put on them by the international community. Furthermore; on what basis do you assert that there are thousands of nuclear sites? I have heard no analyst ever make that assertion.
 
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Imo we are witnessing the passing of an era, and in some ways, the birth of a new nightmare world. I know that sounds hyperbolic, but it seems to me that North Korea and Iran are working together to make a breakout from the existing nuclear order created by the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Imo nuclear weapons technology and ballistic missile technology are spreading, and will continue to spread, despite the NPT regime.

With the spread of these technologies, sooner or later they will pass into the hands of a political elite in some country prepared to make a first strike. Sooner or later they will be used. Probably in this century.

I have two sons. They are young men. The world I am bequeathing to them is sadly inferior to the one that passed to me from my father.
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Unilaterally strike the known Iraqi nuclear weapons facilities

You mean Iranian?

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
and set their program back at least a decade to give the US a chance to flush the turd and get a real president who will deal effectively with Iran and Russia.

And where is the funding going to come from for this new war? Are there any other countries you'd like to start a war with, while we're at it?
 
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Yes. Mindless aggression is not a sign of strength. The fact is that we don't have any good options. Ultimately I think we'll have to learn to live with Iran having nukes.

The threat of just Iranian nukes has always been overblown by the ignorant and those out for personal gain. The threat of what Iranian nukes will cause in the rest of the Middle East is really what the intelligent people are worried about. A nuclear arms race in arguably the most unstable region on the planet that also provides the lion share of hydrocarbons is pretty much a sh*tstorm waiting to happen.

Personally, despite the lunatic rantings of people saying Iran's leadership is crazy, nothing supports their rantings. Iran will use its nukes like North Korea, aka, not using them beyond diplomacy and internal domestic legitimacy building. But once Iran gets nukes, you can bet on everyone else in the region trying to get them. The law of large numbers comes up and when you couple that with the general instability of the region, the outcome is almost certainty to be bad.
 
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Personally I always thought that nuking the entire ME and N. Korea would take care of the worlds worst problems. At least in the long run. Might be a real B**** for a few decades, but in the end I think it would be well worth it.

Of course this will never happen unless someone from one of those countries fires on us first.

In the mean time I think that the US should just pull every single citizen back into the US and close all borders with the exception of buying needed supplies until we can support ourselves without outside help. Tell the rest of the world to kiss our collective butts.
 
I think ***CENSORED*** (see my sig)
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Yes. Mindless aggression is not a sign of strength. The fact is that we don't have any good options. Ultimately I think we'll have to learn to live with Iran having nukes.

Israel is incapable of ending their program, and the United States has two other fronts at the moment.
Mindless aggression? We're not talking about a drunk guy in a bar picking fights. We're talking about a strategic and tactical ally, whose intelligence services are superior to our own, gathering information on facility locations and taking them out. You may be able to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, but anyone with any common sense is not. What else do they have to do to convince you that they will use them?

Also, how do you know how many nuke facilities Iran has? Furthermore, how do you know what we do and don't know about them? Your argument is based in wild speculation, to say the least.
 
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Give Israel the go ahead for a full tactical strike on Iranian nuclear facilities and support them with U.S. air refueling tankers and U.S. intelligence.

Well if Rathi is right in thinking that these strikes will only set program back a few years then are these strikes going to get us anywhere? In a few years time the Iranians will just be in the same possition as before except that if they wherent developing a weapons program before they will have more legitimacy in doing so.
 
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Well if Rathi is right in thinking that these strikes will only set program back a few years then are these strikes going to get us anywhere? In a few years time the Iranians will just be in the same possition as before except that if they wherent developing a weapons program before they will have more legitimacy in doing so.
So you are proposing that we allow these nukes to be built because Iran will just try to build them again anyway? Cool beans! I'm just gonna stop dusting my house. Hell, it's just gonna get dusty again anyway! How about every time they begin to build a nuclear facility we blow the s/hit out of it. I bet after a while it will get quite expensive for them. Just a hunch

And you're also gonna make the argument that a strike on their facilities will grant them legitimicy in future nuclear endeavors? Wow. What could possibly make you think that? Think for a second. "Our nuke sites were blown up, therefore we now legitimately have the need for nuclear weapons!" Now does that sound like it makes sense to you? I mean honestly, tell me if it does.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
 
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The threat of just Iranian nukes has always been overblown by the ignorant and those out for personal gain. The threat of what Iranian nukes will cause in the rest of the Middle East is really what the intelligent people are worried about. A nuclear arms race in arguably the most unstable region on the planet that also provides the lion share of hydrocarbons is pretty much a sh*tstorm waiting to happen.

Personally, despite the lunatic rantings of people saying Iran's leadership is crazy, nothing supports their rantings. Iran will use its nukes like North Korea, aka, not using them beyond diplomacy and internal domestic legitimacy building. But once Iran gets nukes, you can bet on everyone else in the region trying to get them. The law of large numbers comes up and when you couple that with the general instability of the region, the outcome is almost certainty to be bad.

This is very true. Fortunately, the United States has more influence with Saudi Arabia and Egypt than we do with Iran. I hope we can build our alliance with those nations and promise to encompass them under our nuclear umbrella, in exchange for a promise not to build nukes themselves.
 
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Mindless aggression? We're not talking about a drunk guy in a bar picking fights. We're talking about a strategic and tactical ally, whose intelligence services are superior to our own, gathering information on facility locations and taking them out.

Israel is the size of New Jersey and is 1,000 miles away from Tehran. And it would be flying over Arab states who would be reluctant, at best, to acquiesce to the use of its air space for an Israeli bombing campaign. There is simply no way Israel is capable of knocking out Iran's nuclear sites.

Libs_Luv_Weakness said:
You may be able to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, but anyone with any common sense is not. What else do they have to do to convince you that they will use them?

I'm saying we don't have any good options for dealing with it.

Libs_Luv_Weakness said:
Also, how do you know how many nuke facilities Iran has? Furthermore, how do you know what we do and don't know about them?

All I know is what I've read from interviews with people familiar with Iran. The consensus seems to be that they've learned from the mistakes of Iraq and Syria, and have spread their nuclear sites throughout the country and hidden them in difficult-to-bomb locations.

Libs_Luv_Weakness said:
Your argument is based in wild speculation, to say the least.

Are you a member of the intelligence community who has been working on the Iran issue? If not, your argument is based on speculation as well. The difference is that *I* am not the one beating the war drums based on speculation.
 
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He knows there isn't going to be an invasion, regardless of what he does. An American invasion of Iran would be a strategic disaster, even if it were politically possible which it isn't. Our military is stretched to the breaking point as is.

Based upon what laughable nonsense do you make this claim?
 
Re: Iran rejects diplomacy: its time for war

Time for war, you say? Well, go get yourself a gun, find as many like-minded individuals as you can, and go invade Iran.

Gladly, I volunteer to be on the first plane over. Still talking, honey?
 
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In law enforcement they use a tactic they call "tag" in dealing with bad guys all the time as a way to work there way up the food chain to the head bad guy. The same would work on people who send others out to be suicide bomb martyr. You should have noticed you have never hear of the guys at the top ever wanting to visit Allah for a chance at 72 virgins themselves?
By taking out the front man and quietly playing tag with those pulling the strings, you might get better results than talking to idiots. You'll find if you do a bit of research rather than relying on propaganda that most of these religious leaders seldom live the lives they preach and demand of others.

On another note. There is no need to do anything but hit Iran's nuclear sites with over whelming air power and in the process take out a large portion of there offensive military capabilities.

Or you could always just wait until they build a bomb and drop it on Israel which would cost the lives of millions of Iranian civilians who by the way, like the west in the retaliatory strike Israel would surely mount using massive amounts of H-bombs they most certainly have in large numbers and in the process drawing Russia or China or both into a larger war.

You could always just sit back and do nothing in the hope and belief that the hopelessly inept Peace Prize winner Messiah Obama will use his supernatural, miraculous powers to perform an extraordinary miracle of biblical proportions and bring peace a love to the middle east that will last for a thousand years.

Sorry to say, but this forum is frankly one of the worst I've ever seen, the moderation is laughably bad.

If this forum had even 3 more posters with this intelligence level, I'd come here more often, but as I said, this forum sucks.
 
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