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U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: we had different luck then.... :shrug:
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And I think embedded military correspondents have changed their nature over time. Gulf I was really the first time since Vietnam that they had a chance to get in the fight. Iraq and AFG have changed the game a bit.

There are many that just report from the Green Zone, which I think is rediculous; but you'd be suprised by how many very prominent and popular journalists have jumped in Humvees on a convoy.

That Richard Engle dude from NBC was in Iraq for five years and has been in AFG for over a year now, imbedded with Infantry companies at the front. He has done some great work and all of his reporting has been very pro-military.
 
kansaswhig said:
And I think embedded military correspondents have changed their nature over time. Gulf I was really the first time since Vietnam that they had a chance to get in the fight. Iraq and AFG have changed the game a bit.

There are many that just report from the Green Zone, which I think is rediculous; but you'd be suprised by how many very prominent and popular journalists have jumped in Humvees on a convoy.

That Richard Engle dude from NBC was in Iraq for five years and has been in AFG for over a year now, imbedded with Infantry companies at the front. He has done some great work and all of his reporting has been very pro-military.
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Yeah this time around it seems more honest too me... I could tell you some stories about what happened and what was reported the last time around. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So when do you hold obama responsible? you know the POTUS?
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When he's sent in more troops (as he has already done, 34,000 this year), and the death toll keeps rising. Then you guys will be blaming him for that too.
 
tjinta ibis said:
When he's sent in more troops (as he has already done, 34,000 this year), and the death toll keeps rising. Then you guys will be blaming him for that too.
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I hope he withdraws, he has neither the backbone or he leadership skills to prosecute a war.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Questions.


1. Are you no longer an American citizen? How did you do this?

2. Do you hold your new home country (france?) at ll culpable for using the oil for food program as a giant embezzelment scheme, in fact partially causing the war in Iraq?

Thank you.
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i have taken up my second citizenship. i turned in my American passport and renounced at that time that i was no longer in need of that status. I now living on my French passport. I do not live in France. i have a home there though. i live now in Israel. i do this because my wife was seeking out her heritage in her faith journey. she is Jewish and we thought that it would be good to stand in the land of her faith roots. she has immersed herself in study. she spends many hours at the Wailing Wall to prey. When we move wei will more than likely apply for status in my new country of South Afrika. My wife is a citizen of Poland as well.

when i take on the South Afrikan Citizenship that is what i will become. Staying out of the US for three years would end a citizenship as well.

i do hold many responsible for the ills we see in the world. France and others that helped to create problems in Iraq. yes i do and i speak out against that as well.

when you talk about how good it was the Saddam was taken out. i agree that he was an unfit leader. i do believe that he should have been ousted. i don't deny these things.

i believe that the people of Iraq needed to do tis or at least lead the way. they did not. freedom is earned in many ways.

i do hold all or the countries that were part of the invasion coalition just as responsible. this happens to be pretty much an American opinion forum. i have been an American. My father fought in wars as did my brother for the US. I know the country.

I hope this answers your questions.
 
liblady said:
wow! a 2 yr old baby girl, i'm sure you will love her very much.
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we can't wait to see her. she will join our 1 year old adopted son who was born in Poland. we are so excited. My wife loves children and would have us have 75 of them. Her heart is so big for the children of the world.

thank you. we do love them very much.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I learned to hate them in the 1st Gulf war.... I would do everything, I mean everything to make sure my picture was not taken.... Sometimes it wasn't very pleasant... I hate the press.
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i understand that we can be a pain but we are the truth on the battle field. i do object to the one sided journalists that say that all the problems are one sided. they happen on both sides. that is fair journalism when you tell about both side.

was it you that kept covering his face with a pillow trying to hide. i say that jokingly but there was a soldier Army as i recall that did that whenever we came around.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
yeah, she bashes the military with outright lies, ignoring the atrocities of the savages....


You and GD thank her for this? Telling, very telling.
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i write about both sides. i filmed a story showing the insurgents using children to protect them as they went from building to building. the story was written telling the restraint of the Us Marines that held their fire so as not to harm the children. the down side is that i don't think the US Marines should have been there at all to cause this sort of ting. but the copy and film gave accolades to the US Marines.

so no i am not one sided. i just see that many of the events would not have occurred had the coalition not been there at all.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Can you link to one story you have published telling the stories of "heros", you sound just like that flat rachael corey... :lol:
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my film is attached to the stories from the news agencies that i was working with. i did not write any stories i was the film that accompanied those stories.i do not even know where most of the film winds up. when i move and am resettled if you like i will post some pictures and text of what you ask. life is a mess now and when i have those in my hands i would do that for you. sorry for the wait. i have been asked to show the pics of the child we are adopting and i can't get to those either.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
this view is so the lies of war would never be heard. what is done in the dark rooms should stay there with the bodies. is that what you are saying.

you don't like people who tell the truth about what you guys do on purpose and by accident.

the chlldren's playground hit by a stray missile was just one of those things the military does not like tossed in their faces. the colapsed wing on the hospital another. the bombs that missed the target and hit civilian homes where there were families at home.

you don't like those kind of stories. maybe you did not have to take the pictures of the remains in the streets. maybe you just drove by patting yourself on the back for the great kill.

no the military does not like the reporter. they spit on them. they kick dirt on them. they cower when the journalists tell the truth about what really goes on in the glorious military.

why do i have such a low opinion of the military because i saw just what hell you bring in the name of glory.

death and destruction is the trademark. all the time patting your back and waving your little flags while 100's of thousands perish.

go ahead hate me. i know the truth and you don't scare me in the least. like wild dogs you run in packs as the animals that you become once signed on.

the journalist is the truth. the military is the lie.
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Where do you come down on the White House's battle with Fox News? Just curious.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
i understand that we can be a pain but we are the truth on the battle field. i do object to the one sided journalists that say that all the problems are one sided. they happen on both sides. that is fair journalism when you tell about both side.

was it you that kept covering his face with a pillow trying to hide. i say that jokingly but there was a soldier Army as i recall that did that whenever we came around.
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no, we used other tools to confer on the reporter they weren't welcome.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
i have taken up my second citizenship. i turned in my American passport and renounced at that time that i was no longer in need of that status. I now living on my French passport. I do not live in France. i have a home there though. i live now in Israel. i do this because my wife was seeking out her heritage in her faith journey. she is Jewish and we thought that it would be good to stand in the land of her faith roots. she has immersed herself in study. she spends many hours at the Wailing Wall to prey. When we move wei will more than likely apply for status in my new country of South Afrika. My wife is a citizen of Poland as well.

when i take on the South Afrikan Citizenship that is what i will become. Staying out of the US for three years would end a citizenship as well.

i do hold many responsible for the ills we see in the world. France and others that helped to create problems in Iraq. yes i do and i speak out against that as well.

when you talk about how good it was the Saddam was taken out. i agree that he was an unfit leader. i do believe that he should have been ousted. i don't deny these things.

i believe that the people of Iraq needed to do tis or at least lead the way. they did not. freedom is earned in many ways.

i do hold all or the countries that were part of the invasion coalition just as responsible. this happens to be pretty much an American opinion forum. i have been an American. My father fought in wars as did my brother for the US. I know the country.

I hope this answers your questions.
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did you do it formally?


Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship
 
katiegrrl0 said:
when you talk about how good it was the Saddam was taken out. i agree that he was an unfit leader. i do believe that he should have been ousted. i don't deny these things.

i believe that the people of Iraq needed to do tis or at least lead the way. they did not. freedom is earned in many ways.
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katiegrrl0 said:
i just see that many of the events would not have occurred had the coalition not been there at all.
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Yet, atrocities would still have occurred. You would still have two people subjugated: the Shia and the Kurds. Freedom is bloody. The history of the US is testament to that. The Iraqis had already tried and failed to remove the yoke of Saddam and even if they had succeeded, the result may have been another dictatorship. We imposed our will and led them to a real democracy. That must count for something with you, doesn't it?
 
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Never ending war - with failure as a result ?
 
kansaswhig said:
I have to disagree with you and Sarge here, sir. The press, while annoying sometimes, has helped bring to light many leaders and soldiers who have commited war crimes and performed poorly.

Abu Ghraib?
Steven Green?
Michael Steele?

Plus much of the press has provided many, many good press releases about things we did over there. I had embedded press more than once and the stories that were published were always positive in nature and really good PR for the Army and my unit.
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Didnt the army notify the Red cross about Abu Gahrib and thats how the press got wind of it?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: we had different luck then.... :shrug:
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there were times when i was asked not to release a film. i gave the military personal the form and the footage numbers and never once failed to attach the paper work to the dvd's and tapes. i have no idea what happened after that. i did not make those decisions. i am sure more often than not the request was honored.

i know one time in Baghdad the film had to do with some civilians who were killed. the Military asked the film held until they were able to investigate what had occurred. it was later discovered that it was not a coalition bomb that killed those people. the story was brought forward with truth.

again the coalition should not have been there. had that been the case that bomb may have never been made or even used.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
again the coalition should not have been there. had that been the case that bomb may have never been made or even used.
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And there would still be rape rooms, people being fed into wood chippers, children of political opponents being imprisoned, etc., etc.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yeah this time around it seems more honest too me... I could tell you some stories about what happened and what was reported the last time around. :lol:
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Gulf 1 was a case of journalists running all over the place. Gulf 2 has been more controlled.

being freelance the group i worked with went where we wanted at our own risk in several places. we were getting into trouble on both sides. we at times were not protected as we went into some bad areas without permission or protection. that is the nature of the story. you follow it to a conclusion.
 
Harshaw said:
Where do you come down on the White House's battle with Fox News? Just curious.
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i see FOX as biased but all news is. first the journalist. then the editor. then the director. and so on to the top. freedom of the press is what makes nations free. it keeps the people informed. i never see a reason to censor the press. the White House is wrong.

to put tape over the mouth of a journalist is to hide one side of the story. there are two sides to all story's.

when a President or any leader tries to stop free press no matter how biased they think it is, it does not bode well for a nation.

Bush no matter how bad things got for him did not do this. i have to give him credit. the news at the time was getting on his back pretty hard and he was okay.

Fox no matter what anyone thinks of it is a news agency and has the right to tell a story as long as it is true or believed to be true.

No one should be allowed to silence the press.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
no, we used other tools to confer on the reporter they weren't welcome.
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yes i was spit on. i was pushed away. i was yelled at. i even got kicked and had a camera broken. i was even mooned once.

i was not always where i should have been. i was off limits many times. i never complained. they were doing their job to try and keep me out of harms way. many other things happened.

one event was when i had strayed into a location where i was not supposed to be and the area was shelled. a Georgian Soldier knocked me down the stairs and destroyed my camera and some great footage. but he did save my life.

in another case a US troop told me that if i continued where i was going i would more than likely be the next casualty. i listened and not 5 minutes later the streets were turned to smoke and rubble. the military did what they could to protect us. i think at times it was with gritted teeth.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
did you do it formally?


Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship
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yes when i turned in my passport and told the US i was French it was considered a formal renunciation. i was no longer being identified as an American citizen. this was done in Chicago. i had to say the words to end my affiliation.

to enter the US now i need a Passport and enter as a visitor. i actually had to get an extension when Del passed away.
 
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reefedjib said:
Yet, atrocities would still have occurred. You would still have two people subjugated: the Shia and the Kurds. Freedom is bloody. The history of the US is testament to that. The Iraqis had already tried and failed to remove the yoke of Saddam and even if they had succeeded, the result may have been another dictatorship. We imposed our will and led them to a real democracy. That must count for something with you, doesn't it?
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i know the region and i was in Iraq prior to the invasion. Saddam was a tyrant and a petty thug. i have stated that he needed to be out of power.

i am still against the US invasion of the nation with other coalition forces. the US has changed leaders many times in other nations and it has always gone badly. the killing of 10o's of thousands of people does not make sense to me. killing to end killing is an odd step forward.death is death. which is more wrong.
are you less dead if a Coalition troop kills you?
are you more dead if Saddam kills you?

the coalition had no reason to be in the country and therefore the people were raped of their power to change their nation as they saw fit.

just say this. if the entire world hated George Bush so much that the thought that he should be removed. and every nation in the world stopped trade with the US. then all on the same day the armies of the entire world tossed everything they had at the US to get rid of Bush. (i know you are going to say the US would have kicked ass) but say this had happened and the Swede's marched into the White House and executed Bush. you would be pretty upset.

what right did the US and others have to do it to someone else?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This story has some anecdotal stories here, but it follows the same thing I and many other veterans have been saying about Obama's fiddling while Afghanistan burns.... Troop moral is suffering, and I hate to read stories like this. Obama needs to make a decision now.
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Obama is incapable of making quick decisions and certainly not capable of making tough decisions that could cost him politically. Everything this Administration will be stifled by the "political" assessments first and foremost.

It is typical with Democrat leadership and something once again so painfully and obviously on display.

Remember the Kerry rant; "I was for the war before I was against it." It pretty much sums up the dimwitted mentality of Democrat politicians.
 
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