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U.S. troops hope Afghanistan sacrifices not in vain

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So you need to link to a "year" first of all...


and if it takes obama 6 months to make a decision, isnt that now a year and a half?
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That would be correct. How does his indecision on future strategy cause soldiers, fighting under the current strategy, to die there today?
 
Gibberish said:
That would be correct. How does his indecision on future strategy cause soldiers, fighting under the current strategy, to die there today?
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Seriously? so we are only worried about today? Screw the ones who are there 1 year 5 months later cause Obama fiddled for 6 months?


Come on man.... :lol:
 
One thing is for sure....Obama has to have about the worst damned timing of any President I can think of.....Really? A speech to Airmen on the day that they learn that 14 of their fellow airmen died because the ran into each other?


j-mac
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
They called us nazi's, war criminals, murderers, drug addicts, uneducated, and tools.....


What does them calling us Losers add to the equasion. :shrug:
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Because when they called us nazis, war criminals, murderers, drug addicts and uneducated tools, everyone, even they, knew it was all bull ****.

Forcing our soldiers to retreat, leaving their honor on the battlefield, will have a negative affect for decades.
 
yets from Afghanistan are getting what they deserve not much of anything. they made the choice to enlist. they reap the benefits and that in this case is a big zero. tough luck when it comes to following fools to battle.
the families should start suing the government now for wrongful death to their loved ones.
 
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katiegrrl0 said:
yets from Afghanistan are getting what they deserve not much of anything. they made the choice to enlist. they reap the benefits and that in this case is a big zero. tough luck when it comes to following fools to battle.
the families should start suing the government now for wrongful death to their loved ones.
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yeah, What little respect for you I had is gone..... :shrug:



I'm glad you renounced your citizenship, best thing for all parties.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
yets from Afghanistan are getting what they deserve not much of anything. they made the choice to enlist. they reap the benefits and that in this case is a big zero. tough luck when it comes to following fools to battle.
the families should start suing the government now for wrongful death to their loved ones.
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they make the choice to enlist, but they don't get to choose their wars. what they deserve is our thanks for standing ready.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
yets from Afghanistan are getting what they deserve not much of anything. they made the choice to enlist. they reap the benefits and that in this case is a big zero. tough luck when it comes to following fools to battle.
the families should start suing the government now for wrongful death to their loved ones.
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Thanks, again, for denouncing your citizenship. Having someone like you in our country is an embarressment. You probably belong right where you are, where ever that is.
 
liblady said:
they make the choice to enlist, but they don't get to choose their wars. what they deserve is our thanks for standing ready.
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You should be at their feet, thanking them for not being fair weather patriots.
 
Gibberish said:
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make. You bolded my statement of how Obama's indecisiveness reflects him as a leader and quote a article that says insurgents can't be beat by military means alone.

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I'm sorry for being cryptic.

I was objecting to your suggestion that an immediate decision is better than a well considered one which takes awhile.

I think Obama is going to wait til after the run off election to see how the political climate looks in Kabul before making a troop decision. Because, no matter how many troops are added, if the govt remains too corrupt or too weak any hopes for positive change will be just a pipe dream.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
yets from Afghanistan are getting what they deserve not much of anything. they made the choice to enlist. they reap the benefits and that in this case is a big zero. tough luck when it comes to following fools to battle.
the families should start suing the government now for wrongful death to their loved ones.
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What a dreary, bitter post.
 
liblady said:
they make the choice to enlist, but they don't get to choose their wars. what they deserve is our thanks for standing ready.
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sure they do. refuse to follow. be the soldier whose strength is not to fight. had the Nazi soldiers not fought you would have applauded them would you not. following a wrong order is wrong no matter who set your feet to the path. it has to do with personal responsibility and integrity. is that not true?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
sure they do. refuse to follow. be the soldier whose strength is not to fight. had the Nazi soldiers not fought you would have applauded them would you not. following a wrong order is wrong no matter who set your feet to the path. it has to do with personal responsibility and integrity. is that not true?
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Who judges "right and wrong" or is it arbitrary to YOUR politics?
 
apdst said:
You should be at their feet, thanking them for not being fair weather patriots.
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killing for nothing does not a patriot make. standing as a lone voice against the idiocy of government makes a patriot. i asked before i will ask again. would you have applauded the Nazi's if the soldiers had not fought? why would you applaud a US troop that blindly follows after foolish orders? makes no sense maybe you could explain the thought behind your dual thinking.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
sure they do. refuse to follow. be the soldier whose strength is not to fight. had the Nazi soldiers not fought you would have applauded them would you not. following a wrong order is wrong no matter who set your feet to the path. it has to do with personal responsibility and integrity. is that not true?
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no. if a person feels they might not be able to obey an order they shouldn't become a soldier. (except, of course, illegal orders)

it would be anarchy otherwise. there is a reason why soldiers are so intensely trained, like it or not.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Who judges "right and wrong" or is it arbitrary to YOUR politics?
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were the Nazi's right? who's judgment makes it wrong?

was the US right to attack a nation for the wrongs of some? who's judgment is it that all should pay for the acts of a few?

is this what would be called an eye for an eye?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
killing for nothing does not a patriot make. standing as a lone voice against the idiocy of government makes a patriot. i asked before i will ask again. would you have applauded the Nazi's if the soldiers had not fought? why would you applaud a US troop that blindly follows after foolish orders? makes no sense maybe you could explain the thought behind your dual thinking.
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Anti-troop rhetoric and nazi comparrisons.... I suppose you are a pacifist, eh? (I love this argument.....)


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katiegrrl0 said:
were the Nazi's right? who's judgment makes it wrong?
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When I was serving, I refused two orders, Both were deemed unlawful.


Please stop comparing me to a nazi.


was the US right to attack a nation for the wrongs of some? who's judgment is it that all should pay for the acts of a few?

is this what would be called an eye for an eye?
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By your logic. Europe would be speaking german.... :shrug:
 
liblady said:
no. if a person feels they might not be able to obey an order they shouldn't become a soldier. (except, of course, illegal orders)

it would be anarchy otherwise. there is a reason why soldiers are so intensely trained, like it or not.
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if they became a soldier first and then the order comes. what are they to do?

the real hero acts with personal integrity and says no i will not do this. the personal sell out blindly marches off to battle.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
if they became a soldier first and then the order comes. what are they to do?

the real hero acts with personal integrity and says no i will not do this. the personal sell out blindly marches off to battle.
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So what if they believe in the mission, say in Afghanistan, what does that make them? /facepalm
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
When I was serving, I refused two orders, Both were deemed unlawful.


Please stop comparing me to a nazi.

By your logic. Europe would be speaking german.... :shrug:
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good for you i respect that you stood up for your beliefs.

i was not comparing you to a Nazi. i was making a comparison about following orders.

by my logic Europe is what it is. WWII could have been avoided as well as the holocaust. Churchill wanted to press the Nazi's so they really cut off immigration.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So what if they believe in the mission, say in Afghanistan, what does that make them? /facepalm
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than they are bigger fools than i had thought. they may well have been blinded to truth by the flag waving in their eyes.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
good for you i respect that you stood up for your beliefs.
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I also believed in the mission, and had no problem executing my orders.

what does that make me?


i was not comparing you to a Nazi. i was making a comparison about following orders.

by my logic Europe is what it is. WWII could have been avoided as well as the holocaust. Churchill wanted to press the Nazi's so they really cut off immigration.
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hmm. I don't think so. :lol:
 
katiegrrl0 said:
sure they do. refuse to follow. be the soldier whose strength is not to fight. had the Nazi soldiers not fought you would have applauded them would you not. following a wrong order is wrong no matter who set your feet to the path. it has to do with personal responsibility and integrity. is that not true?
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"Be the soldier whose strength is not to fight"

Why this? Why ask a soldier to abandom hope for success?
Why not demand that the leaders avoid stagnation and make decisions wisely instead of asking soldiers to bare the burden of reality? Why not demand that the people vote out those who chose to continue unworthy-war situations?

Why should the soldiers always be the ones to upheave and throw? Why not the constituents, why not the Congress, why not the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

Why not stage endless protests and demonstrations in support of the soldier's coming home?

Why ask a soldier to give up what they thought was the right thing, to put their future career and family on the line, just to appease you who chose not to fight at all but, instead, chose to sit at a computer to read and debate something that is often incomprehensible to understand unless you've lived through it in some way?
 
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