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White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

10thJustice said:
The pool of knowledge where one must sink or swim. You refuse to admit that Republicans have mislead the uneducated masses of the midwest into supporting policies that harm their own communities. Instead you claim that my statement is based on some unspecified historical inaccuracy. I cannot dispute you until I know which historical fact you are challenging. So we are at a stalemate because you don't want to throw your argument into the pool of public discourse out of fear it may get drowned.
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I'm confused. Which pool? Is it the pool of knowledge, over on the left, where one must sink or swim? Or is it the pool of public discourse on the right? Presumably you can just wade in the pool of public discourse...
 
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10thJustice said:
The pool of knowledge where one must sink or swim. You refuse to admit that Republicans have mislead the uneducated masses of the midwest into supporting policies that harm their own communities.
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What, like the Democrats have been doing in the black community for decades? I find the point childish, elitist, and profoundly ignorant of, you know, the actual Midwest.


Instead you claim that my statement is based on some unspecified historical inaccuracy. I cannot dispute you until I know which historical fact you are challenging. So we are at a stalemate because you don't want to throw your argument into the pool of public discourse out of fear it may get drowned.
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The comment had to do with your formulation of "educated" people being liberal, and "uneducated" people being conservative.

You might want to take a look at the long-term history of academia, for instance.
 
winston53660 said:
Your average europeon right winger would be a left winger on this side of the pond
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This may be a sign of just how far the American right is away from the rest of the world. If I'm being attacked as a right-winger then the world must view the American right as some sort of caveman.
 
10thJustice said:
This may be a sign of just how far the American right is away from the rest of the world. If I'm being attacked as a right-winger then the world must view the American right as some sort of caveman.
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It was not an attack, it was a statement of fact.
 
10thJustice said:
I am aware that Europe may be more progressive than the U.S. at this time because most your countries are older and thus further along in the developmental process. But that advantage is because of age not because of any superior wisdom or world view.
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I didn't say that being progressive is wise or superior in any way. I live in a pretty conservative country and I like that fact that we're different from the rest of Europe. I'm just saying that the Democratic Party would be right of center over here.

Also, if I'm "right-wing" what do you call McCain and other moderate Republicans??? By lumping me in with them you blur important ideological lines and render the term useless. So, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to spare a few minutes of your precious 6 month European annual vacation to
deepen your analysis and learn to distinguish between the American left and our evil twins on the right.
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Sucks when people use a broad brush, huh? :mrgreen:

If you agree to rethink your "conservatives are all uneducated retards and only liberals see the light cuz they have college degrees and stuff" theory, I'll stop calling you a right-winger.
 
10thJustice said:
The pool of knowledge where one must sink or swim. You refuse to admit that Republicans have mislead the uneducated masses of the midwest into supporting policies that harm their own communities. Instead you claim that my statement is based on some unspecified historical inaccuracy. I cannot dispute you until I know which historical fact you are challenging. So we are at a stalemate because you don't want to throw your argument into the pool of public discourse out of fear it may get drowned.
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That's nothing compared to the spoof job that Libbos done on the black community in this country. I would hate be known as a Democrat the day that the black folks in the United States wake up and see how they've been used the Democratic party for the past 40 years. It might not be safe for Democrats when that day arrives.
 
Dav said:
What applies in PA doesn't necessarily apply to the rest of the country.

PA was never really a battleground state, McCain just really wanted it to be one.

Although, Specter isn't doing well in the polls right now, so it may well be starting to go Republican again....
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My point was that PA was symbolic of what happened throughout the nation
in states McCain was supposed to win (FL, VA, OH, IN, NC). Even though Democrats registered a record number of new voters, the media told us that the mysterious Independents would rise up and sweep McCain into victory in these states. But the groundswell never materialized and the new Obama voters overwhelmed the Independents that did vote for McCain. The media created the myth in order to keep the election interesting.
 
Which "media" said that? :roll:
 
apdst said:
That's nothing compared to the spoof job that Libbos done on the black community in this country. I would hate be known as a Democrat the day that the black folks in the United States wake up and see how they've been used the Democratic party for the past 40 years. It might not be safe for Democrats when that day arrives.
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Democrats definitely need a new urban policy. But to say that we have done anything that would enrage black people is absurd. We pass hate crimes legislation to increase penalties for racially motivated crimes. We fund the historically black colleges that help open the door of opportunity for thousands of minorities. We provide the financing for low income housing, healthcare, school lunches. We have not been perfect but I put our record up against any other major political party in the Western world.
 
Harshaw said:
Which "media" said that? :roll:
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Hannity, O'Riely, Wolf Blitzer, Chris Matthews, Lou Dobbs. All of them told us that despite Democratic registration numbers a late break of Independents for McCain could be the difference in key states :roll:. My anger at the media arises from the fact that their bogus news stories caused us to unnecessarily waste money and time to secure a victory that we had already won.
 
10thJustice said:
Democrats definitely need a new urban policy. But to say that we have done anything that would enrage black people is absurd. We pass hate crimes legislation to increase penalties for racially motivated crimes. We fund the historically black colleges that help open the door of opportunity for thousands of minorities. We provide the financing for low income housing, healthcare, school lunches. We have not been perfect but I put our record up against any other major political party in the Western world.
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Ya'll don't do that to help blacks. Ya'll do that to buy their votes. You have them convinced that they can't make it without the help of the Liberal do-gooders. 40 years and $11 trillion later, what have you accomplished? Nothing. One day, the black community is going to pull itself up by it's boot straps and when that day comes, the Democrats are going to lose millions of votes. Without the dependency of the black community on the etitlements you just lsited, the Liberals would be ****ed, politically.
 
2008 was the bluest year of my incredibly long lifetime

but that's looking backwards

2009 and ought-10 look to be BLOOD RED

starting in VA

even dark blue NJ, if it weren't for dagget, we're a shoe in

as it is, it's TIED

and in NY23, the combined GOP'ers lead by 18

republicans will probably lose NY but that's small picture and is due to our divide

obviously

big observation sees---obama beware
 
10thJustice said:
When Obama speaks, the entire country and indeed the world listens. Fox only captures a very small portion of the tiny radical-right of the Republican party. At best their viewership is about 2 million people. More people live in Brooklyn, NY than watch Fox News. So, trust me when I tell you "the news of Obama's demise at the hands of Fox has been greatly exaggerated".
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And busts their gut laughing at him.
 
Dutch said:
I found tons of stuff on rachel maddow. Apparently I'm not the only one who has a visceral reaction to her. Instead, I thought I'd go with this:

source



Msnbc and it's hiring of liberal commentators was not for "objectivity" but to create a "leftist" version of fox news. That's right, they were trying to mimic fox news....all for money. Apparently they aren't "objective" at all, just a leftist version of fox. The really bad part of all of this is, they are failing.
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Just like liberal talk radio always fails..... nobody wants to listen to them.
 
Liberals were on the radio? We should impliment the fairness doctrine to get rid of them.
 
george will on this morning's this week with stephy, abc:

will: no one has less right than barack obama to complain about unfriendly media

al hunt: politicians do what they do, but i agree with george

stephy: he has gotten pretty good press

cynthia tucker: he has gotten pretty good press
 
Arcana XV said:
I didn't say that being progressive is wise or superior in any way. I live in a pretty conservative country and I like that fact that we're different from the rest of Europe. I'm just saying that the Democratic Party would be right of center over here.



Sucks when people use a broad brush, huh? :mrgreen:

If you agree to rethink your "conservatives are all uneducated retards and only liberals see the light cuz they have college degrees and stuff" theory, I'll stop calling you a right-winger.
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I never said uneducated conservatives were "retards" or that educated liberals "see the light". My only point is that people with post-graduate degrees tend to be liberal; and if MSNBC was looking to hire "smart" reporters as Griffen alleges in his interview; then he would probably see more impressive resumes from liberals than conservatives. For instance, if Griffen saw Hannity's resume (a college dropout) and Maddow's resume (Phd from Oxford); Maddow would probably get the job. If Olberman (Ivy League graduate) and Palin (difficulty graduating from small school); Olberman would get the job. Hannity and Palin are not "retards" but they would not be competitive in jobs that place high value in educational backgrounds. That is how MSNBC ended up with so many liberal anchors.

You probably don't know this but in America the term "right-winger" is not distasteful because of their educational achievements; but this movement has been associated with racial bigotry by prominent leaders such as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. At their March on Washington, tea-baggers held signs that said: "the zoo has an African Lion; and the Whitehouse has a Lying African". They have historically nominated openly racist candidates for high office: Nixon, Reagan, Jessie Helms, Storm Thurmond. Not every conservative is racist but some of the public faces of the American "right-wing" bear the ugly scars of racism. So the term "right-wing" has some unique American connotations that has made the term derogatory.

Europe enjoys leftist administrations and broad social safety nets but I wonder how much of your good life was paid for by American taxpayers. Over the last half century much of our bloated defense budget was spent protecting Europe. This freed European countries from an enormous burden and they were able to use their treasury to improve the lives of their citizens. Europe stroked the ego of American conservatives. Guys like Reagan would then spend all of our money to over-militarize. But when those conservatives got drunk with power and began to unilaterally invade other countries on a "pre-emptive" basis; Europe became angry at America. But I hope that you guys at least admit some responsibility for creating this monster.
 
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Crunch said:
Just like liberal talk radio always fails..... nobody wants to listen to them.
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Mostly old folks get their news from the radio because they were born in an era when television was not prevalent and radio was king. These senior citizens tend to be more conservative in their political philosophy. Liberals have far more diverse selection of news providers NY Times, Wash. Post, LA Times, online content, broadcast news, MSNBC, CNN). Conservatives only have Fox News and talk radio; that's why the ratings of these shows tend to be so high.
 
plato in his cave looks at shadows on his wall and ruminates, his thoughts make so much sense, the abstractions so perfectly lined up, logical, even lovely, pure rationality, why should anyone so brilliant bother to observe things outside?
 
If you're a moderate democrat and you're only recently becoming alarmed by this administration you're a ****ing idiot.
 
Libs_Luv_Weakness said:
If you're a moderate democrat and you're only recently becoming alarmed by this administration you're a ****ing idiot.
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Wow. I can see you're going to add a lot of substance to this message board. :roll:
 
10thJustice said:
Mostly old folks get their news from the radio because they were born in an era when television was not prevalent and radio was king. These senior citizens tend to be more conservative in their political philosophy. Liberals have far more diverse selection of news providers NY Times, Wash. Post, LA Times, online content, broadcast news, MSNBC, CNN). Conservatives only have Fox News and talk radio; that's why the ratings of these shows tend to be so high.
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I am certain you have some evidence to back up this wild hypothesis? Or are you just going off of your own guess?
 
I consider myself a conservative on most things but do not trust FNC's news a source of reliable news either.
 
PeteHobbs said:
I consider myself a conservative on most things but do not trust FNC's news a source of reliable news either.
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Why?
What has FOXNEWS, the news side, not the opinion, done to lose trust in FOX?

You don't slaughter the competition by being unreliable.
Not for any length of time.

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