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White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

10thJustice said:
What say you???
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I say you have no idea what you're talking about.

The Republicans are poised to win both gubernatorial elections this year, both of which are in states where Obama won in 2008. Things are looking grim for the Democrats in 2010, where they're poised to lose a bunch of seats.

"dead" indeed!
 
Dav said:
I say you have no idea what you're talking about.

The Republicans are poised to win both gubernatorial elections this year, both of which are in states where Obama won in 2008. Things are looking grim for the Democrats in 2010, where they're poised to lose a bunch of seats.

"dead" indeed!
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Who is telling you this....Rush..Beck..Hannity...O'rielly?
 
Dutch said:
Please tell me you work for the present administration. :mrgreen:


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No, I don't work for the administration. Are you kidding!!! I would have smashed those soft-skulled pundits at Fox with a rhetorical baseball bat long time ago. They sit around all day debating amongst themselves without any opposing views. They are so anti-Obama that they criticized the bank bailout initiated by Bush but then attacked Obama for appointing a pay-czar to keep the bankers from stealing the money for themselves.

I did represent the Obama campaign at polling places throughout PA on Election Day and I can tell you that all the hype about Independents is "much ado about nothing". An energized Democratic base can defeat Republicans and Independents by large numbers.
 
apdst said:
How many people view that blog compared to the number of people who watch FNC?
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Doesn't matter - everything gets around, eventually. It even got to the networks who wanted to stiffle it the most.

"STIFFLE, ETHEL!"

The mighty internet and it's untethered means of spreading the words that people want to bottle.
 
goldendog said:
Who is telling you this....Rush..Beck..Hannity...O'rielly?
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Nope, I don't listen to any of them. I just look at the facts and make my own conclusions. I'm sorry if those conclusions worry you... wait, no I'm not.
 
10thJustice said:
I did represent the Obama campaign at polling places throughout PA on Election Day and I can tell you that all the hype about Independents is "much ado about nothing". An energized Democratic base can defeat Republicans and Independents by large numbers.
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Is that true? I can't remember the exit polliing now, but it seems like Independents did make a difference? Maybe PA was different ... I can't remember, actually.

But, Independents now outnumber Dems and Reps, so it seems like they are important. Indies have been the biggest slice in Maine for awhile.
 
American said:
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Obama had better stop screwing around with Fox, and move on.
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As more legitimate news organizations now feel empowered to speak openly about what Fox has been doing for years, I think the screws will be tightening for a while.

It's a good thing, don't you think, to educate the masses about the difference between news and editorial? Give people a good understanding about what is news content and what is not.

If people begin to chuckle to themselves or even grin sheepishly when they hear "Fair and Balanced", then we're getting somewhere...

Opinion has it's place, it should come right after thoughtful analysis. But all to often on FNC, editorial is woven together with news in a way that is totally contrary to journalistic standards.


:(:cool:
 
vauge said:
The argument was that we would not know about ACORN without Fox. This is untrue.
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Again, how many people follow that blog, compared to FNC's veiwership?
 
10thJustice said:
I did represent the Obama campaign at polling places throughout PA on Election Day and I can tell you that all the hype about Independents is "much ado about nothing". An energized Democratic base can defeat Republicans and Independents by large numbers.
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Therein lies your problem, IMO. I think you all are going to have a damn hard time energizing enough Demcrats to do any good in 2012. You've lost the Blue Dogs. They're gone.

Only 33% identify themselves as Democrats. Better than the Republicans, but not by much. If you lose the Blue Dogs, those number will probably drop into the teens.
 
hazlnut said:
As more legitimate news organizations now feel empowered to speak openly about what Fox has been doing for years, I think the screws will be tightening for a while.

It's a good thing, don't you think, to educate the masses about the difference between news and editorial? Give people a good understanding about what is news content and what is not.

If people begin to chuckle to themselves or even grin sheepishly when they hear "Fair and Balanced", then we're getting somewhere...

Opinion has it's place, it should come right after thoughtful analysis. But all to often on FNC, editorial is woven together with news in a way that is totally contrary to journalistic standards.


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The problem with that, is that you have politicians doing the educating. Would you go along with Conservative politicians educating the masses?

I'm kinda betting you fought hard to resist writing the, "unwashed", masses...:rofl
 
Dutch said:
I think conformity is what the white house is looking for here. As far as journalistic integrity may I assume you mean this kind?

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No one wants to listen to Obama worship and "thrills" running up men's legs when they hear Obama speak. But Keith Oberman and Rachael Maddow, however, are examples of what Fox News anchors should aspire to. Oberman and Maddow are obviously Democrats but they will pummel Obama when he retreats on his campaign promises i.e. closing Gitmo, putting tax cuts into stimulus bill without securing any Republican votes in the House, ending don't ask/don't tell, backing away from public option etc. etc.

By presenting the pros and cons of the administration these 2 left-wing pundits have a legitimate claim to journalistic objectivity.
 
10thJustice said:
No one wants to listen to Obama worship and "thrills" running up men's legs when they hear Obama speak. But Keith Oberman and Rachael Maddow, however, are examples of what Fox News anchors should aspire to. Oberman and Maddow are obviously Democrats but they will pummel Obama when he retreats on his campaign promises i.e. closing Gitmo, putting tax cuts into stimulus bill without securing any Republican votes in the House, ending don't ask/don't tell, backing away from public option etc. etc.

By presenting the pros and cons of the administration these 2 left-wing pundits have a legitimate claim to journalistic objectivity.
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You. Can't. Possibly. Be serious.

If you are . . . wow. Just wow. :shock:
 
olbermann and maddow, it's true, attack their disappointment of a hero

they criticize him from the far, far left

quite objectively
 
republicans are dead---LOL!

RealClearPolitics - Election 2009 - Virginia Governor - McDonnell vs. Deeds

RCP Average 10/5 - 10/19 -- 50.7 39.8 McDonnell +10.9
SurveyUSA 10/17 - 10/19 595 LV 59 40 McDonnell +19
Clarus Research 10/18 - 10/19 605 LV 49 41 McDonnell +8
Rasmussen Reports 10/12 - 10/12 750 LV 50 43 McDonnell +7
Virginian-Pilot/CNU 10/8 - 10/13 506 LV 45 31 McDonnell +14
Mason-Dixon 10/6 - 10/8 625 LV 48 40 McDonnell +8
Washington Post 10/5 - 10/7 1001 LV 53 44 McDonnell +9
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just 11 days from today the most bellwether state in the union is gonna turn

by ten or so points

bluedogs bid bye bye to obama

and liberal enthusiasm is thru the floor

polls suggest african americans, 22% of the virginia votership on november 7, will be 11% a week from tuesday

the youth vote is expected to decline from 20 to 8

doug wilder, the first african american gov in us history, refuses to endorse deeds

the co-founder of BET has endorsed the RED

meet virginia, she's a bitch
 
10thJustice said:
But Keith Oberman and Rachael Maddow, however, are examples of what Fox News anchors should aspire to.
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OMG! No you didn't!!!! Worship knows no bounds in the Church of Liberalism.

That's almost sickening...:rofl
 
the independent vote is much ado about nothing---LOL!
 
10thJustice said:
No one wants to listen to Obama worship and "thrills" running up men's legs when they hear Obama speak. But Keith Oberman and Rachael Maddow, however, are examples of what Fox News anchors should aspire to. Oberman and Maddow are obviously Democrats but they will pummel Obama when he retreats on his campaign promises i.e. closing Gitmo, putting tax cuts into stimulus bill without securing any Republican votes in the House, ending don't ask/don't tell, backing away from public option etc. etc.

By presenting the pros and cons of the administration these 2 left-wing pundits have a legitimate claim to journalistic objectivity.
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:lamo:2rofll::clap:
:lol::rofl


j-mac
 
Sounds like Fox News and its sheep are feeling a little threatened.
God forbid that someone fight back and stop the spread of their propoganda.:doh
 
10thJustice said:
When Obama speaks, the entire country and indeed the world listens. Fox only captures a very small portion of the tiny radical-right of the Republican party. At best their viewership is about 2 million people. More people live in Brooklyn, NY than watch Fox News. So, trust me when I tell you "the news of Obama's demise at the hands of Fox has been greatly exaggerated".
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If Fox is so insignificant, rather undignified for POTUS to be wasting so much time fighting them, no? :lol:
 
it's the president who's looking threatened

well, actually he is threatened

sarah palin (LOL!) typed a twitter on "death panels," and 3 days later the entire party expostulated, "ok, ok, we'll take em out"

glenn beck (LOL!) introduced van jones (not funny) to america, and within 5 days the racist truther was no more

joe wilson (who's he?) shouted LIAR, and by the end of the week the white house issued a friday nite report promising to tuffen up anti-illegal language in the reform

fox, meanwhile, is LAUGHING

hannity's show every nite starts with an ominous disclaimer:

WARNING: THIS PROGRAM IS NOT WHITE HOUSE APPROVED

and fox's ratings are thru the roof---FORTY PERCENT! higher than the other three COMBINED!

Cable News Ratings - TV Ratings, Nielsen Ratings, Television Show Ratings | TVbytheNumbers.com

fox is eating this stuff up, the network grows

obama shrinks

once president of all the people, he hardly leads in a chatroom anymore
 
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jackalope said:
Is that true? I can't remember the exit polliing now, but it seems like Independents did make a difference? Maybe PA was different ... I can't remember, actually.

But, Independents now outnumber Dems and Reps, so it seems like they are important. Indies have been the biggest slice in Maine for awhile.
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After witnessing the Democratic deluge on Election Day in a so-called battleground state, I have withdrawn my belief in that mythical political unicorn called the Independent. On Election Day, masses of the so-called Independents were solidly Democratic. We wasted so much time going to PA to protect the vote from Republican challengers that when voters were told why we were there they busted out in uncontrollable laughter. What this told me was: if Democrats put forth the right candidate we can out-vote Republicans and Independents. Its all about the candidate not the party designation on the registration form.
 
10thJustice said:
No one wants to listen to Obama worship and "thrills" running up men's legs when they hear Obama speak. But Keith Oberman and Rachael Maddow, however, are examples of what Fox News anchors should aspire to. Oberman and Maddow are obviously Democrats but they will pummel Obama when he retreats on his campaign promises i.e. closing Gitmo, putting tax cuts into stimulus bill without securing any Republican votes in the House, ending don't ask/don't tell, backing away from public option etc. etc.

By presenting the pros and cons of the administration these 2 left-wing pundits have a legitimate claim to journalistic objectivity
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Is this the kind of journalistic integrity you were speaking of? I shouldn't think so if only because he hasn't "pummeled" obama for retreating from this campaign promise.

On January 31 of this year, Keith Olbermann donned his most serious face and most indignant voice tone to rail against George Bush for supporting telecom immunity and revisions to FISA. In a 10-minute "Special Comment," the MSNBC star condemned Bush for wanting to "retroactively immunize corporate criminals," and said that telecom immnity is "an ex post facto law, which would clear the phone giants from responsibility for their systematic, aggressive and blatant collaboration with [Bush's] illegal and unjustified spying on Americans under this flimsy guise of looking for any terrorists who are stupid enough to make a collect call or send a mass email."

Olbermann added that telecom amnesty was a "shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism -- the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government." Noting the numerous telecom lobbyists connected to the Bush administration,......
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That was then. Apparently he's now changed his mind.......to agree with "the one."

.....Strong and righteous words indeed. But that was five whole months ago, when George Bush was urging enactment of a law with retroactive immunity and a lessening of FISA protections. Now that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing -- and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists -- everything has changed......Last night, Olbermann invited Newsweek's Jonathan Alter onto his show to discuss Obama's support for the FISA and telecom amnesty bill (video of the segment is here). There wasn't a syllable uttered about "immunizing corporate criminals" or "textbook examples of Fascism" or the Third Reich. There wasn't a word of rational criticism of the bill either. Instead, the two media stars jointly hailed Obama's bravery and strength -- as evidenced by his "standing up to the left" in order to support this important centrist FISA compromise:
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The Prof said:
it's the president who's looking threatened

well, actually he is threatened

sarah palin (LOL!) typed a twitter on "death panels," and 3 days later the entire party expostulated, "ok, ok, we'll take em out"

glenn beck (LOL!) introduced van jones (not funny) to america, and within 5 days the racist truther was no more

joe wilson (who's he?) shouted LIAR, and by the end of the week the white house issued a friday nite report promising to tuffen up anti-illegal language in the reform

fox, meanwhile, is LAUGHING

hannity's show every nite starts with an ominous disclaimer:

WARNING: THIS PROGRAM IS NOT WHITE HOUSE APPROVED

and fox's ratings are thru the roof---FORTY PERCENT! higher than the other three COMBINED!

Cable News Ratings - TV Ratings, Nielsen Ratings, Television Show Ratings | TVbytheNumbers.com

fox is eating this stuff up, the network grows

obama shrinks

once president of all the people, he hardly leads in a chatroom anymore
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Sarah Palin talked about "death panels" and Democrats removed a Republican provision which would pay for people to create living wills. Without a living will the government may have to decide what to do with you if you are ever in a coma and can't speak for yourself. Nice going Sarah...lol

The deadly "green-jobs" czar was able to remove dozens of sponsors from the Glenn Beck show and he can actually be more effective at this effort outside the WH than in it. Smart move Beck.

Joe Wilson screamed out Liar and that triggered Representative Grayson from Florida to launch into a vicious attack against the Republicans on healthcare and now you can't shut him up. He is drawing headlines and national attention with his now famous tirade that Republican healthcare means "Die Quickly". Wilson has created a liberal monster. Brilliant!!!

Fox ratings climb but their credibility is shot. People are tuning in to Fox to watch the latest edition of "silly-season" and "gotcha politics". No one takes them seriously.
 
10thJustice said:
Sarah Palin talked about "death panels" and Democrats removed a Republican provision which would pay for people to create living wills. Without a living will the government may have to decide what to do with you if you are ever in a coma and can't speak for yourself. Nice going Sarah...lol

The deadly "green-jobs" czar was able to remove dozens of sponsors from the Glenn Beck show and he can actually be more effective at this effort outside the WH than in it. Smart move Beck.

Joe Wilson screamed out Liar and that triggered Representative Grayson from Florida to launch into a vicious attack against the Republicans on healthcare and now you can't shut him up. He is drawing headlines and national attention with his now famous tirade that Republican healthcare means "Die Quickly". Wilson has created a liberal monster. Brilliant!!!

Fox ratings climb but their credibility is shot. People are tuning in to Fox to watch the latest edition of "silly-season" and "gotcha politics". No one takes them seriously.
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You wish all this crap was true. :mrgreen:
 
Dutch said:
Is this the kind of journalistic integrity you were speaking of? I shouldn't think so if only because he hasn't "pummeled" obama for retreating from this campaign promise.
On January 31 of this year, Keith Olbermann donned his most serious face and most indignant voice tone to rail against George Bush for supporting telecom immunity and revisions to FISA. In a 10-minute "Special Comment," the MSNBC star condemned Bush for wanting to "retroactively immunize corporate criminals," and said that telecom immnity is "an ex post facto law, which would clear the phone giants from responsibility for their systematic, aggressive and blatant collaboration with [Bush's] illegal and unjustified spying on Americans under this flimsy guise of looking for any terrorists who are stupid enough to make a collect call or send a mass email."

Olbermann added that telecom amnesty was a "shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism -- the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government." Noting the numerous telecom lobbyists connected to the Bush administration,......
Click to expand...

That was then. Apparently he's now changed his mind.......to agree with "the one."

.....Strong and righteous words indeed. But that was five whole months ago, when George Bush was urging enactment of a law with retroactive immunity and a lessening of FISA protections. Now that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing -- and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists -- everything has changed......Last night, Olbermann invited Newsweek's Jonathan Alter onto his show to discuss Obama's support for the FISA and telecom amnesty bill (video of the segment is here). There wasn't a syllable uttered about "immunizing corporate criminals" or "textbook examples of Fascism" or the Third Reich. There wasn't a word of rational criticism of the bill either. Instead, the two media stars jointly hailed Obama's bravery and strength -- as evidenced by his "standing up to the left" in order to support this important centrist FISA compromise:
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If you're going to use someone else's effort it's usually customary to give that someone credit for their endeavors.

Keith Olbermann: Then and now - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
 
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