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Administration Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview [Edit]

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The "blaming America for the attacks" thing was irresponsible and sickening spin on the part of the media. A lot of which was perpetrated by Fox News. That's one of the things I was referencing when I brought up Hannity after the first primary debate.

And he didn't support the truthers. His contention was that the incident needs to be looked at, investigated, and reported truthfully and in total to the People.


This seems to me to be excuse making for the good Dr. If the 'truthers' were just attaching themselves with no real willingness from Dr. Paul to embrace them, then why did he attend so many events on campuses put on by them?


No, Paul embraces to the letter the sentiment of America not getting entangled in overseas squabbles, and there is merit to that, but his mistake was in thinking that any following was better than being froze out as a third party nutjob. He just picked wrong.


j-mac
 
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Censorship through omission


j-mac

Can you explain which part of the 1st amendment the government violates by not giving FOX an interview?

This is the second time I ask. Here is the text of the first amendment :

LII: Constitution

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What law has Congress created abridging the freedom of speech? What law did Congress make abridging the freedom of the press when the White House denied an interview?(This should be good!)
 
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Can you explain which part of the 1st amendment the government violates by not giving FOX an interview?

This is the second time I ask. Here is the text of the first amendment :

LII: Constitution



What law has Congress created abridging the freedom of speech? What law did Congress make abridging the freedom of the press when the White House denied an interview?(This should be good!)


OMG! It is right there in black and white....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


j-mac
 
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Can you explain which part of the 1st amendment the government violates by not giving FOX an interview?

This is the second time I ask. Here is the text of the first amendment :

LII: Constitution



What law has Congress created abridging the freedom of speech? What law did Congress make abridging the freedom of the press when the White House denied an interview?(This should be good!)

I don't think they are necessarily violating it. However, I don't think it's disputable that they aren't showing good faith in upholding the first amendment.
 
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oh geez......nice talking points once again. what white house occupant doesn't try to shape the media? jeff gannon sound familiar?

Talking points….right. Yet you say nothing to refute anything I said. Nice ad hominen..once again.

Of course every politician attempts to control the media, but I don't remember Bush, Rove, or Cheney deliberating trying to deny CNN access to interviews, or calling them everyday by name.


Please don't try the counter of "Well, CNN and MSNBC weren't bashing Bush the way Fox is bashing Obama.."

I approached this in a non-partisan way, highlighting the fact that it is scary the approaches being taken by this administration to limit the press..
 
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I don't think they are necessarily violating it. However, I don't think it's disputable that they aren't showing good faith in upholding the first amendment.

And fox news is showing good faith?
 
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I don't think they are necessarily violating it. However, I don't think it's disputable that they aren't showing good faith in upholding the first amendment.

They aren't violating it. They denied an interview. Do you think it's a violation of your first amendment whenever somebody refuses to speak to you?

I'm Just a little annoyed by the hyperbolic. I mean these are the same people who didn't have a problem with 'Free-Speech zones' coming here screaming about the outrageous violation of FOX News a clearly right wing news entity being denied an interview.

How many interviews did Bush officials deny to MSNBC because it was clearly biased against their administration? Bush wouldn't give an interview to people who called him a racist, moron, torture proponent etc. So why would Obama give one to people who treat him with disrespect?

The government regardless of the party in office has always at it's own discretion exercised it's right to free speech(which includes the right to deny interviews) since the days of Washington.

Btw...love your new avatar
 
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And fox news is showing good faith?

FOX News doesn't have a hand in governing my life. The White House does. I expect a little more from them.

And you're also presupposing I have an issue with FOX News. I don't.
 
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They aren't violating it. They denied an interview. Do you think it's a violation of your first amendment whenever somebody refuses to speak to you?

Totally disingenuous. FOX News isn't "anyone", they are a news outlet and a major one at that. The White House isn't me. It is the executive branch of a government that is installed by the people. It has an obligation to answer to those people by being accessible.

I'm Just a little annoyed by the hyperbolic. I mean these are the same people who didn't have a problem with 'Free-Speech zones' coming here screaming about the outrageous violation of FOX News a clearly right wing news entity being denied an interview.

I don't know of anyone on this board who DIDN'T have a problem with the whole "free speech zone" issue. I know I did...I had a major problem with it and nearly everyone I interacted with here had a problem.

How many interviews did Bush officials deny to MSNBC because it was clearly biased against their administration? Bush wouldn't give an interview to people who called him a racist, moron, torture proponent etc. So why would Obama give one to people who treat him with disrespect?

I don't recall a huge stink about Bush denying interviews to MSNBC.

The government regardless of the party in office has always at it's own discretion exercised it's right to free speech(which includes the right to deny interviews) since the days of Washington.

Free speech rights are extended to The People to protect them from the State. There is no reverse extension of those rights to The State. The State doesn't have freedom of speech which would include freedom of censorship by ommission.

Btw...love your new avatar

Thanks. It's pretty festive, I think. :2wave:
 
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oh geez......nice talking points once again. what white house occupant doesn't try to shape the media? jeff gannon sound familiar?

Well, to be honest your post also is out of rules for radicals... you don't address the post or it's content you ridicule it by dismissing it "talking points" and therefore inferring irrelevance.


--- "Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage." -- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.
 
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They aren't violating it. They denied an interview. Do you think it's a violation of your first amendment whenever somebody refuses to speak to you?

I'm Just a little annoyed by the hyperbolic. I mean these are the same people who didn't have a problem with 'Free-Speech zones' coming here screaming about the outrageous violation of FOX News a clearly right wing news entity being denied an interview.

How many interviews did Bush officials deny to MSNBC because it was clearly biased against their administration? Bush wouldn't give an interview to people who called him a racist, moron, torture proponent etc. So why would Obama give one to people who treat him with disrespect?

The government regardless of the party in office has always at it's own discretion exercised it's right to free speech(which includes the right to deny interviews) since the days of Washington.

Btw...love your new avatar
Maybe you should be upset at the other networks.
 
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Oh, approval. I guess we're lucky Helen Thomas doesn't work for the FNC. :)
 
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FOX News doesn't have a hand in governing my life. The White House does. I expect a little more from them.

And you're also presupposing I have an issue with FOX News. I don't.

IFox News IMHO practices yellow journalism. That is all fine and good and well within their rights. I also think the WH is well with in their rights to not give them the time of day.
 
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IFox News IMHO practices yellow journalism. That is all fine and good and well within their rights. I also think the WH is well with in their rights to not give them the time of day.

You are entitled to that opinion. The wide viewer base FOX enjoys says there are plenty of others who don't hold your opinion.

Either way you cut it, the White House should not be in the business of legitimizing or devaluing press outlets with this petty war they've started. Especially when anyone with half a brain recognizes that their gripe is with FOX's commentators who aren't "journalists" to start with.
 
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Totally disingenuous. FOX News isn't "anyone", they are a news outlet and a major one at that. The White House isn't me. It is the executive branch of a government that is installed by the people. It has an obligation to answer to those people by being accessible.

Not disingenuous at all. The White House denying an interview is the same as somebody not wanting to talk to you. Any talk of it having to give an interview to any particular organization because doing otherwise would violate that organization's first amendment is ridiculous and shows a little naivite on your part regarding government-media relations.

I don't know of anyone on this board who DIDN'T have a problem with the whole "free speech zone" issue. I know I did...I had a major problem with it and nearly everyone I interacted with here had a problem.

Bull**** and you know this Jallman. We had 20-30 pages of people arguing that it needed to be done for the safety of the Presidents/Prime Minister during that America's gathering they had in Quebec a few years ago because of the radical left. I even remember TOT going on for ages about how it wasn't a violation because they could still exercise their freedom of speech just in a different place. I'll go look in the archives for it.

I don't recall a huge stink about Bush denying interviews to MSNBC.

That kind of solidifies my point. It wasn't a problem then. It is one now.

Free speech rights are extended to The People to protect them from the State. There is no reverse extension of those rights to The State. The State doesn't have freedom of speech which would include freedom of censorship by ommission.

I think I should have phrased that differently. Considering the government is run by the people I wouldn't see why it wouldn't have a right to free speech as much as the people do at least in regards to whom it gives interviews to and who it doesn't.

Thanks. It's pretty festive, I think. :2wave:

:lol:
 
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IFox News IMHO practices yellow journalism. That is all fine and good and well within their rights. I also think the WH is well with in their rights to not give them the time of day.
How about CNN?
 
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HelenThomasAndBarackObama2009.jpg


Helen Thomas is one scary looking woman...
 
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You are entitled to that opinion. The wide viewer base FOX enjoys says there are plenty of others who don't hold your opinion.

Either way you cut it, the White House should not be in the business of legitimizing or devaluing press outlets with this petty war they've started. Especially when anyone with half a brain recognizes that their gripe is with FOX's commentators who aren't "journalists" to start with.

*scratches head* the WH started the war? Oh come on when ballon boy isn't on it is the obama bashing network.
 
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Uh, so do I. Did you take what I said as an insinuation that I didn't? :2wave:

No. Do you assume everything I say must be an argument with you? :roll:
 
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*scratches head* the WH started the war? Oh come on when ballon boy isn't on it is the obama bashing network.

Oh, the poor little White House. Someone needs to speak up for the powerless victim here; you're right. :roll:
 
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Not disingenuous at all. The White House denying an interview is the same as somebody not wanting to talk to you.

No, not even close to the same. It is a bad analogy.

Any talk of it having to give an interview to any particular organization because doing otherwise would violate that organization's first amendment is ridiculous and shows a little naivite on your part regarding government-media relations.

OK, you may think that. But history shows a different story.

Bull**** and you know this Jallman. We had 20-30 pages of people arguing that it needed to be done for the safety of the Presidents/Prime Minister during that America's gathering they had in Quebec a few years ago because of the radical left. I even remember TOT going on for ages about how it wasn't a violation because they could still exercise their freedom of speech just in a different place. I'll go look in the archives for it.

OK if your clearest recollection is TOT....I rest my case.

That kind of solidifies my point. It wasn't a problem then. It is one now.

Not really. It's the White House continually making this a huge conflict. I don't recall the Bush Administration creating all this controversy over what interviews it had and didn't have. It's not like it tried to discredit a news outlet while denying the interviews.


I think I should have phrased that differently. Considering the government is run by the people I wouldn't see why it wouldn't have a right to free speech as much as the people do at least in regards to whom it gives interviews to and who it doesn't.

Umm, because it is employed by the people. I don't have totally free speech when I am at work. And the government is at work for the people and is continually accountable to the people. And the numbers show that a significant enough portion of "the people" choose Fox News as their media through which they get their accountings of the government's actions. :shrug:

Plus, I just think all this energy is being spent on this petty childishness by the White House when we be better served by spending it on, I dunno, the health care debate and maybe the economy. Foreign relations. Fixing DADT. Maybe some education reform. Just anything but this silliness.
 
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