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Administration Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview [Edit]

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Still I have more problem with the government trying to control or influence it through access privileges to the WH.

As do I. But.... The only reason Fox is even in the "running" so to say, is due to their viewer base, and not on the quality of which they report the news. They are shady, and agenda driven, and therefore IMHO should not have a place in the WH reporting the news. Therefore i have no objection to the WH being the least bit skeptical.
 
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This idea that Fox is somehow more "disingenuous" than MSNBC or CNN is baffling to me. MSNBC has Ed Schultz screaming that Republicans want to see you dead, Matthews with tingles up his leg and pledging to make the Obama Administration successful, and, well, Olbermann and Maddow . . . CNN fact-checking SNL sketches and refusing to back off from false Limbaugh quotes, and Anderson Cooper coining the term "Teabaggers" for the Tea Parties. Never mind places like ABC which ran an hour-long infomercial on the health care plan, CBS which ran a story on Bush with falsified documents and Rather still refusing to recant, etc., etc.

They all have an exceptional bias. You people who scream about Fox and exempt the others simply don't like which way Fox leans.

You might have a point if you could enlighten us as to why they treated Ron Paul, a member of the GOP? Because he was against the war? Now government needs to be contained? Please....:spin:
 
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You might have a point if you could enlighten us as to why they treated Ron Paul, a member of the GOP? Because he was against the war? Now government needs to be contained? Please....:spin:

Nice try, but it doesn't address what I said. It just bashes Fox more.
 
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Regardless of your opinion of Fox News the recent rhetoric coming out of the White House is indeed scary and has the potential to start down a very slippery slope.

Obama is using tactics straight out of Alinky's 'Rules for Radicals'.

Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

and most particular to the current situation:

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

I don't know how anyone can't say that what he has done in recent months with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh doesn't sound eerily similar to that. He is effectively trying to limit all meaningful public opposition to him.

Think for a second the scope that Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have. Again, put your personal opinions of the two aside. Now, lets say he were to marginalize Fox to the point of irrelevancy. For example, they lose sponsors, lose interview privileges (as was currently just attempted) etc .. Currently Fox is the only major news network that offers any type of counter-argument to many of Obama's policies. Albeit there is some bias, but show me a news network where they isn't

As if the fact that all the networks are owned by 5 corporations isn't scary enough, we now have a White House who is attempting to shape the media to suit him.

Why would they go through all this trouble in trying to sweep Rush and Fox News aside?
oh geez......nice talking points once again. what white house occupant doesn't try to shape the media? jeff gannon sound familiar?
 
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But lets consider the Fox New's integrity. Would you support a news station that was as disingenuous as Fox? Not me.....

I have nothing against criticizing Obama. But when that is all they do, how are they objectively reporting the news?

So you don't watch cable news channels at all?

Name a cable news channel that is not decidedly partisan. It can't be done in the current context.
 
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So you don't watch cable news channels at all?

Name a cable news channel that is not decidedly partisan. It can't be done in the current context.

CNBC reports the news centered on objectivity, and therefore i have them on in my office or at home from 6 AM until 6PM, even if i am not watching.

I get my main stream news from the topics posted here :)
 
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It's good to see the media as a whole stand up to Obama's statist, and divisive attacks on one group in the media. It's a sad state and embarrassing as a nation, that we have a president who thinks a war with a news organization is a top priority....



What say you?

That gives me some encouragement that maybe there is some integrity left at some level of the media.

I find it disgusting and deplorable that the White House gives so much attention to diminishing a news organization just because they aren't acting as his mouthpiece.

If you watch the news on FOX, not the pundits but the news, they are every bit as objective in their reporting as all the other networks. This push by the Obama administration to discredit FOX because of their commentators is just sad, really. Our Thug in Chief is becoming an embarassment.
 
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I'm definitely not a fan of Fox. But I don't believe it proper for the government to ban certain media outlets just because they won't be friendly with them. I don't necessarily think the press should be "friendly" with the government. The press needs to aggressively question the government and report their findings to the People so we can better control the government. It doesn't necessarily work that way now, but that's what I believe should be the standard. As such, I don't think it proper for the government to deny access of a news agency due to political reasons. It highlights why exactly we need a free press.


Thank you Ikari, very pragmatic reasoning as usual. This situation though is nothing new for the Obama team of Maoists surrounding our President. Remember this:


WFTV-Channel 9's Barbara West conducted a satellite interview with Sen. Joe Biden on Thursday. A friend says it's some of the best entertainment he's seen recently. What do you think?

West wondered about Sen. Barack Obama's comment, to Joe the Plumber, about spreading the wealth. She quoted Karl Marx and asked how Obama isn't being a Marxist with the "spreading the wealth" comment.

"Are you joking?" said Biden, who is Obama's running mate. "No," West said.

West later asked Biden about his comments that Obama could be tested early on as president. She wondered if the Delaware senator was saying America's days as the world's leading power were over.

"I don't know who's writing your questions," Biden shot back.

Biden so disliked West's line of questioning that the Obama campaign canceled a WFTV interview with Jill Biden, the candidate's wife.

"This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best for the duration of the remaining days until the election," wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign.


McGinnis said the Biden cancellation was "a result of her husband's experience yesterday during the satellite interview with Barbara West."

Here's a link to the interview: Video - WFTV.


Orlando Sentinel - Obama campaign cuts off WFTV after interview with Joe Biden by Hal Boedeker


Or this one:


Remember the outrage when John McCain’s campaign kicked Maureen Dowd off of his airplane in Pennsylvania? I wonder whether the same defenders of Truth and Journalism will bother to squeak up now that Barack Obama has cleared his own plane of dissenters. Reporters from the New York Post, Washington Times, and Dallas Morning News have been declared persona non grata after their editors endorsed McCain:

The Obama campaign has decided to heave out three newspapers from its plane for the final days of its blitz across battleground states — and all three endorsed Sen. John McCain for president!

The NY POST, WASHINGTON TIMES and DALLAS MORNING NEWS have all been told to move out by Sunday to make room for network bigwigs — and possibly for the inclusion of reporters from two black magazines, ESSENCE and JET, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. …

Some told the DRUDGE REPORT that the reporters are being ousted to bring on documentary film-makers to record the final days; others expect to see on board more sympathetic members of the media, including the NY TIMES’ Maureen Dowd, who once complained that she was barred from McCain’s Straight Talk Express airplane.

This seems like a strange time to upset the applecart. Why not do this a month ago? Anyone could have predicted that the Post and the Times would endorse McCain, and the Morning News was not much of a surprise, either.

Had they acted a few weeks ago, they could have made it look like Team Obama wanted to give secondary media outlets a chance. Now it just looks like vindictiveness, and perhaps even worse. Obama and his supporters have gotten vicious with reporters who ask questions and do research that put Obama in a bad light, and this adds to the general pattern we’ve seen since the primaries.


Hot Air Blog Archive Obama kicks dissenting reporters off plane


This going after dissent to Dear Leader is nothing new for despots like him.


j-mac
 
Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

CNBC reports the news centered on objectivity, and therefore i have them on in my office or at home from 6 AM until 6PM, even if i am not watching.

I get my main stream news from the topics posted here :)

Okay, I have to give you CNBC. They have placed themselves as the news channel for investors and business people. And they are the closest thing to objective that we have.

So that leaves all the rest of the cable news networks except Fox as left leaning media while Fox is right leaning media. As far as news shows, the Fox lineup is as good as you are likely to find.

Opinion commentators are another thing entirely. Personally, I can't stand Hannity or O'Rielly. Greta is a good interviewer and gives both sides a fair shake. Beck is entertaining because he brings up a lot of information about people in the Messiah's administration that the Messiah doesn't seem to want made public. Is he over the top? Hell, yes. He is an entertainer and claims to be nothing more. Which makes it particularly sad that he seems to break new information that the "real news people" should be investigating.

Now if you want to see real partisan commentators on the par with Hannity, just look at Mathews, Oberman or Maddow. Or for that matter, just check out any of the opinion shows on the other channels.

But for the news segments, Fox is as close to fair and balanced as any of the other stations.
 
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You might have a point if you could enlighten us as to why they treated Ron Paul, a member of the GOP? Because he was against the war? Now government needs to be contained? Please....:spin:

Because nobody ****ing cares about Ron Paul.
 
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The Obama Administrations attempt to "poision the well" with the rest of the media seems to be backfiring. The media may be very competitive, but they'll back each other up over certain things like their future relevance and existance. I'm glad they see through the sophmoric play being used to divide and conquer.
 
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As do I. But.... The only reason Fox is even in the "running" so to say, is due to their viewer base, and not on the quality of which they report the news. They are shady, and agenda driven, and therefore IMHO should not have a place in the WH reporting the news. Therefore i have no objection to the WH being the least bit skeptical.

Indeed. But as Fox News can't be said to be the only news organization to operate in such a manner, I don't think it's then proper to single out Fox News because they are more hostile towards the current administration than other news networks who play more to the left.
 
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It's not a top priority, just an issue Obama is trying to address. Too bad he didn't succeed.

Yeah, we all know just how important it is for single party states to control the media. ;)
 
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Because nobody ****ing cares about Ron Paul.

But now that a republican is not in the WH, his anti government stance is quite appealing?
 
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One can only wonder how many liberals in here rejoice at the war between Obama the narcissist and FOX News, yet remain as silent as hearing crickets chirp in the desert when that same Obama has the likes of Olbermann, Maddow, and Matthews inside the Oval office for a 2 and 1/2 hour meeting.


He preaches unity with his mouth, but with his hands, he sows seeds of division. Do not forget how he applied thug tactics during the campaign while denigrating Fox, insulting average Americans as gun-toting Bible thumpers, encouraging racial tensions as he always had through 'community organizing,' i.e., ACORN. Never forget how his machine took money from overseas. Remember how he raised an enormous war chest via the internet with no way to track donors. Don't overlook the thug tactics used during the Texas caucuses, how law enforcement was instructed to suppress media criticism in Missouri, how free speech and a free press were quelled in Chicago when a reporter sought to cover Obama's Chicago activities via Annenberg and Ayers and 'education reform.'

Notice today his army of Czars: radical leftists, race baiters, anti-American globalists, distinctly and angrily opposed to most traditional American values.

And now we have his media czar Anita Dunn singing the praises of Chairman Mao, and bragging that the Obama campaign controlled the media. All this coming at a time she calls Fox nothing more than a Republican mouthpiece. (Never mind that half of Fox's viewers are Democrats and Independents, according to a recent survey by the Global Marketing Research Center.)

Thanks to the internet (which Obama seeks to control as well), those who are wise consumers of media and news have been paying attention. They know full well this President and his operatives are capable of most anything now. The lies and misrepresentations increase almost daily.

Journalists with an ounce of integrity see through the octopus ink now being spewed in the water, for this is what the war on Fox is all about, clouding the issues, providing cover, defense and retreat. How odd to see a radical Leftist President in Nixonian garb.

Fox has been the only news TV organization willing to challenge this President on both foreign and domestic policy. Fox is the only TV outfit with guts enough to run stories about ACORN corruption. Fox is the only television organization covering what the roughly half the American people think about healthcare reform and cap 'n trade, doing so with real coverage of Town Hall Meetings and Tea Parties. Fox is the only substantive television news group asking the tough questions about Afghanistan.

The rest of the major media are either silent, complicit, or cheerleaders for this Government, a government populated in the main by radical leftists devoted to the destruction of our Republic, traitors by any definition.

In case you have not noticed, the Constitution is taking a back seat to the EU and the U.N., and economic freedom is being absorbed into the socialist kool-aid served daily throughout D.C., the media, and the public schools.

Fox has challenged all this, and so Fox must pay. Fox must pay, as Limbaugh did last week, by being tied to the scourging post and beat with lies, slander, and condemnation, excoriated in public by the most vicious and cruel campaign ever witnessed, unless you consider how Obama's operatives treated Sarah Palin and her family to a similar whipping post.

And the beatings will continue.

So the battle lines are clearly drawn. The President has made a clear declaration of war on at least half of his own people. Obama & Co. have made it clear: if you disagree with this President, you will be hounded, threatened, condemned and destroyed. How Maoist. (Dunn was not kidding.)

This is the change you voted for, this is the hope you expected, and this is the dawning of a new American age of unity, purpose and prosperity?

The only remaining questions are: how long will the People put up with Al Capone in the White House, how far will Al Capone push things, what will be the end game (2010 or 2012?), and how many bodies will he leave in his wake, both at home, and abroad?

American Thinker: Obama's war on Fox & half the country

j-mac
 
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But now that a republican is not in the WH, his anti government stance is quite appealing?

And that's different from Matthews suddenly deciding his "job" is to help ensure a successful Presidency?
 
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But now that a republican is not in the WH, his anti government stance is quite appealing?

His anti government stance is nothing new nor innovative on his part.
 
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His anti government stance is nothing new nor innovative on his part.

Nope, unlike the vast majority of politicians, Ron Paul has stood firm in his beliefs and political platform. I think what the contention was is that during the Presidential primaries, Ron Paul was smeared as much as possible by many "conservative" forces, including Fox News. The first debates where Hannity and Colmes were interviewing candidates afterwards...disgusting. Immature, irresponsible "reporting" by the lot of them. Now that Obama is in office, and Ron Paul is still running his mouth about small government; all of a sudden so many places whom were smearing him in the primaries all of a sudden start echoing what we was saying on several issues. I think that was the only point being made.
 
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His anti government stance is nothing new nor innovative on his part.

But the fact that they switched gears in regards to the sentiment is quite telling, wouldn't you say?
 
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Nope, unlike the vast majority of politicians, Ron Paul has stood firm in his beliefs and political platform. I think what the contention was is that during the Presidential primaries, Ron Paul was smeared as much as possible by many "conservative" forces, including Fox News. The first debates where Hannity and Colmes were interviewing candidates afterwards...disgusting. Immature, irresponsible "reporting" by the lot of them. Now that Obama is in office, and Ron Paul is still running his mouth about small government; all of a sudden so many places whom were smearing him in the primaries all of a sudden start echoing what we was saying on several issues. I think that was the only point being made.


The only thing that made Dr. Paul look bad during that bid, was the support from the 9/11 truthers that tagged on to his campaign due to his seeming blaming of America for the attacks.


except for that he has always been very good on the constitution.


j-mac
 
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The only thing that made Dr. Paul look bad during that bid, was the support from the 9/11 truthers that tagged on to his campaign due to his seeming blaming of America for the attacks.


except for that he has always been very good on the constitution.


j-mac

The "blaming America for the attacks" thing was irresponsible and sickening spin on the part of the media. A lot of which was perpetrated by Fox News. That's one of the things I was referencing when I brought up Hannity after the first primary debate.

And he didn't support the truthers. His contention was that the incident needs to be looked at, investigated, and reported truthfully and in total to the People.
 
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Nope, unlike the vast majority of politicians, Ron Paul has stood firm in his beliefs and political platform. I think what the contention was is that during the Presidential primaries, Ron Paul was smeared as much as possible by many "conservative" forces, including Fox News. The first debates where Hannity and Colmes were interviewing candidates afterwards...disgusting. Immature, irresponsible "reporting" by the lot of them. Now that Obama is in office, and Ron Paul is still running his mouth about small government; all of a sudden so many places whom were smearing him in the primaries all of a sudden start echoing what we was saying on several issues. I think that was the only point being made.

Frankly, I just have an extremely hard time seeing Ron Paul as dignified and a statesman. He may be very intelligent and have some good points, but I also think he is a bit extreme and some of his policies echo isolationism, to me.

I'm sure you can argue against that sentiment but it would be a moot point for both of us. I'm not going to accept Paul as a viable candidate because I find his effete demeanor offensive to my sensibilities and perceptions about what a leader should be.
 
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Looks like you don't support the 1st Amendment.

What violation of the first amendment would there have been if FOX were denied an interview? Please read the 1st amendment?
 
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Frankly, I just have an extremely hard time seeing Ron Paul as dignified and a statesman. He may be very intelligent and have some good points, but I also think he is a bit extreme and some of his policies echo isolationism, to me.

I'm sure you can argue against that sentiment but it would be a moot point for both of us. I'm not going to accept Paul as a viable candidate because I find his effete demeanor offensive to my sensibilities and perceptions about what a leader should be.

Automated Libertarian Response v3.0.0.2 : Stop hating America, freedom, liberty and/or the Constitution.
 
Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

What violation of the first amendment would there have been if FOX were denied an interview? Please read the 1st amendment?


Censorship through omission


j-mac
 
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