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Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

Devil505 said:
Neither one of us can win or lose this debate until we see what happens after we leave. (Unless you think we should never leave & permanently occupy Iraq?)
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I think we should stay somewhere between 10 and 50 years.
 
I think we are hogging the floor here....Let's see if other want to reengage.
 
reefedjib said:
I think we should stay somewhere between 10 and 50 years.
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LOL....We are pretty close then....I think we should stay somewhere between 10 and 50 more hours! :lol:

(I thought my wife & I were going out to dinner but she's to tired so I'll be around......No applauds please!)
 
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apdst said:
You cannot win a war, without defeating the enemy on the battlefield.
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I missed this earlier: The North Vietnamese never won a single battle .....yet their flag flies over all of Vietnam now.
 
They never won a battle with us. They won plenty against South Vietnam after we left.
 
Goobieman said:
So was National Socialism.
How does that mean we cannot win?
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It's a completely different world.

The Nazi machine would have been much more destructive and embedded in societies throughout the world if it had... you know... the internet and other ways of delivering their message quickly and to many people.

reefedjib said:
The enemy has an ideology but the enemy itself is not an ideology. The enemy are practitioners of an ideology. The enemy can be defeated...if we remove santuaries - my concern.
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Their sanctuaries will look legit come the tanks. You only find the super-crazies and the tribal warriors who actually decide to fight the tank. Like in Iraq for example, you would have AQ forces shoot a burst at an American position, drop their Ak-47, and blend right into the crowd.


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Then lets pull em out. I don't trust our POTUS with this operation.
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I agree. I have not trusted a United States President as head of the military post-Ike.
 
Devil505 said:
Neither one of us can win or lose this debate until we see what happens after we leave. (Unless you think we should never leave & permanently occupy Iraq?)
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It doesnt matter what you or I think about this subject. The US built 14+ brand spanking new permanent bases throughout Iraq which was downplayed tremendously in the media recently. Think Ramstein Air Base and Okinawa


"TOKYO - U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Oct. 20 rejected demands by Japan's new government to review a deal between the two allies on the future of a controversial major U.S. airbase"

Sometimes grownups must make decisions the kids dont like and that is that.
 
Harshaw said:
Simple. You said:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ing-afghanistan-troops-23.html#post1058322227
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So we & the South Vietnamese fought the north for over 10 years & we never lost a battle...... but the insurgency/casualties caused the war to lose U.S. public support so we left & the N. Vietnamese waited a few months (per secret agreement to make it look better for us) & then swept south. They won...We lost but we never lost a battle on the battlefield.
We lost politically.
 
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Arch Enemy said:
I agree. I have not trusted a United States President as head of the military post-Ike.
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I have never really thought about that but.....You do have a point!

Edit:.I take it back...JFK saved us from poor military advise from Curtis LeMay.
 
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by all means, continue deliberating darth veep

every word wounds your wonderboy

afghanistan is KILLING this president

ask his apologists on this thread

afghanistan is his war

it wouldn't be, had he campaigned differently, had he not emphasized the theater as the "right war"

had he not promised so many times victory in that impossible landscape on our planet's far side

actually, on monday, august 17, he reupped politically, verbally his commitment to the effort to extinguish al qaeda and the taliban in the mountains on the moon

“This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which Al Qaida would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting; this is a—this is fundamental to the defense of our people.”
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“That’s why I announced a new, comprehensive strategy in March, a strategy that recognizes that Al Qaida and its allies had moved their base from the remote tribal areas—to the remote tribal areas of Pakistan,” Obama continued.
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Obama pledges intensified war in Afghanistan and Pakistan

from wsw, the world socialist website
 
The Prof said:
afghanistan is his war
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Yeah..Yeah....We know....& the bad economy is HIS fault & poor auto sales..etc..etc..etc.....Let's throw in 9/11 too!

Even most Repubs don't buy that BS. :thumbdown

I firmly believe he'll get us out of Afghanistan sometime b4 the end of his first term. That's all we can really hope for I think.
 
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Devil505 said:
So we & the South Vietnamese fought the north for over 10 years & we never lost a battle...... but the insurgency/casualties caused the war to lose U.S. public support so we left & the N. Vietnamese waited a few months (per secret agreement to make it look better for us) & then swept south. They won...We lost but we never lost a battle on the battlefield.
We lost politically.
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They defeated South Vietnam on the battlefield. They would not have "won" had they not done that.
 
"afghanistan is his war"

Hey Prof tell me this? Do circumstances as they are PRESENTLY,today, now in Afghanistan exist because of a series of past events that led it there?

OR.

Does is the overall situation as it stands now, today, PRESENTLY due to future events?
 
Harshaw said:
They defeated South Vietnam on the battlefield. They would not have "won" had they not done that.
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Not gonna re-fight the Vietnam War. If anyone can convince themselves that we didn't lose it politically....more power to you.
 
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Devil505 said:
I firmly believe he'll get us out of Afghanistan sometime b4 the end of his first term
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few care about your beliefs, no matter how firm

many, in contrast, concern themselves with obama's attitude

he PROMISED triumph, he campaigned centrally on it

he's on record---afghanistan is a matter of national security

it's a war of necessity, he notes

afghanistan is KILLING this president, politically

don't blame me

chafe at cheney
 
couldn't care less

afghanistan is killing this president

as well as 50 heroic soldiers a month
 
The Prof said:
couldn't care less

afghanistan is killing this president

as well as 50 heroic soldiers a month
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There is question I ask Prof...care to answer it? Perhaps somebody previously set it up purposely to work out like this for the next administraion and the United States?

Possibly somebody named Dick?
 
tell it to obama, he's the fool who made the impossible promise

the previous president was a loser

his referendum came nov 7
 
Devil505 said:
I missed this earlier: The North Vietnamese never won a single battle .....yet their flag flies over all of Vietnam now.
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It's because defeatests and spineless politicians, trying to play patty-cake with the war. No other reason.

In 1968, the North Vietnames were ready to surrender, until that piece of **** Cronkite broadcast to the country that the war was unwinnable.
 
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