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Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

6 years? Where did that number magically come from? Daily KOS?

But, again, what does Bush have to do with this conversation?

I would imagine that person who ignores all realities of the recent past and it's impact on the present would believe the situation NOW as it stands in Afghanistan had nothing to do with the Bush Administrations stand off Afghanistan policy. The consequences of those easily ignored stand off policies are what President Obama is cleaning up today.
 
And, here, I just called you honest. You need to do some research and connect a few dates. When you do, you'll notice that the surge began in 2007 and the war didn't hit it's sixth year, until after Bush was out of office.

How convient it is to forget that the Generals on the ground and most military advisors were suggesting to Rumsfeld and Bush that up too 300,000 troops would be needed to do the job correctly in their war in Iraq.

But nope they decided to ignore those recommendations and invade with a much smaller force, who were promised that it would be a cakewalk and soon they would be rained upon with flowers by the liberated Iraqies.
 
How long? How long, do you give him? our sons and daughters are taking fire while the man fiddles.

I dunno. You gave the last guy eight years, and never got a firm decision on strategy. Why do you apply a different standard to the new president? Is that partisanship? Is it racism? Or is it just plain old-fashioned stupidity? It really doesn't matter which way you slice it, Sport, it's still hypocrisy.
 
I dunno. You gave the last guy eight years, and never got a firm decision on strategy. Why do you apply a different standard to the new president? Is that partisanship? Is it racism? Or is it just plain old-fashioned stupidity? It really doesn't matter which way you slice it, Sport, it's still hypocrisy.




Oh it's racism, that's it, for sure. I don't like black people and think they are the suck.... :doh:roll: /facepalm
 
Oh it's racism, that's it, for sure. I don't like black people and think they are the suck.... :doh:roll: /facepalm

Rev this is exactly what is wrong with libterds. They can't come up with any factual basis for there ludicrous ideals, so they steer away from the truth by insulting those who know the truth or at least make an attempt to understand it. Racism would not exist if liberal clowns didn't keep it around for their own benefit. Jesse & Al wouldn't have a scam to run on colored people if racism didn't exist. They might have to get a real job shining shoes.
 
Jesse & Al wouldn't have a scam to run on colored people if racism didn't exist. They might have to get a real job shining shoes.

:wow::slapme:
 
Oh it's racism, that's it, for sure. I don't like black people and think they are the suck.... :doh:roll: /facepalm

Thanks for telling me. I'm new here and haven't learned which members are Neanderthals yet.
 
I don't know, when I joined the US military they told me I would be in danger.

When did we ask for a risk free military?
 
I don't know, when I joined the US military they told me I would be in danger.

When did we ask for a risk free military?

I bet they told you that despite the danger, they would do everything they could to bring you home alive. That's what they told me, anyway.

In all those years, I never asked for a, "risk free", military. All I ever wanted was for them to do everything in their power to reduce the risk as much as possible. Don't leave me with my ass hangin' in the breeze, ya know?
 
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I bet they told you that despite the danger, they would do everything they could to bring you home alive. That's what they told me, anyway.

In all those years, I never asked for a, "risk free", military. All I ever wanted was for them to do everything in their power to reduce the risk as much as possible. Don't leave me with my ass hangin' in the breeze, ya know?


I'm sure people like Pat Tillman and his family felt the same way...too bad the true reasons for his death were covered up for political reasons.

Yet another lie....how suprising.
 
looks like mccrystal is trying to cover his ass on this:
Army Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, kept a remote U.S. base in the country manned last year at the local governor's request despite warnings from his field commanders that it should be closed because it was vulnerable and had no tactical or strategic value.
McChrystal's decision to maintain the outpost at Barg-e Matal prompted the top American commanders in eastern Afghanistan to delay plans to close a second remote U.S. outpost, Combat Outpost Keating, where insurgents killed eight U.S. troops in an assault Oct. 3, a McClatchy investigation has found.
Keeping Barg-e-Matal open also deprived a third isolated base of the officer who would have been its acting commander and left its command to lower-ranking officers whose "ineffective actions" led "directly" to the deaths of five American and eight Afghan soldiers in an ambush Sept. 8, according to a high-level military investigation. ...
The two officers, Col. Randy George and Lt. Col. Robert B. Brown, and other U.S. officials had warned repeatedly that the two outposts were worthless and too costly to defend, two American defense officials and a former NATO official told McClatchy. ...
George, the American commander in four Afghan provinces that border Pakistan, has received a letter of admonishment; Brown, whose operational area included Keating and Barg-e Matal, has received an official reprimand. ...
Penalizing the pair is even more egregious, the U.S. defense officials and the former NATO official said, because their plans to close the outposts were consistent with McChrystal's counterinsurgency strategy of moving American troops from remote areas to economically important population centers.
The fact that officers in the field are being punished while no mention has been made of the role that their superiors played signals that those on the front lines always will take the blame when things go wrong, the first U.S. defense official said.
"This will make the Army even more casualty-averse," he said. "This is the worst message at the worst time for McChrystal to send." ...
Knowledgeable American officers and officials countered that the impoverished mountain backwater of 2,500 in Nuristan province has no strategic value, lacks any roads, is far from key population centers, traditionally has disdained the authority of the central government in Kabul and is historically hostile to outsiders, including other Afghans.
... "Bear in mind that this operation in what is undoubtedly one of the most remote and difficult locations in all of Afghanistan occurred at the time of discussion about revising our strategy to concentrate our forces in areas of dense population and strategic importance." ...
[emphasis added by bubba]

Probes Overlook McChrystal's Role in Costly Afghan Battles | CommonDreams.org

please read the entire article and see for yourself this disgusting matter
mccrystal's decision to maintain indefensible outposts of no strategic benefit, which defied his own strategic plan, resulted in the deaths of many US forces. now, in an effort to squelch information about his mishandled operations, he has instead ended the careers of the military leaders who provided him with their best advice. advice mccrystal ignored at great loss of life
this is the wrong signal to send to our military. mccrystal has begun acting like that dumb ass from a prior misbegotten war, westmoreland, by substituting political objectives for military ones
 
Too many people are unwilling to face the truth that Obama was elected solely n the fact that he is an articulate Black guy.

Yea I know Liberals are going to call me a racis but truth is the Racists voted for Obama.

He lied about who he is and what he stands for and made promises he had no intention in keeping and no ability to deliver.

He had no experience at anything practical in his life, not in business, or even as a worker who did something other than use intimidation to get his way as he did his thing as an organizer.

He knew and knows nothing about foreign policy, and less about military strategy.

He is now allowing a corrupt leader in Afghanistan to dictate the rules of engagement for our troops putting them a greater risk and he is doing precisely what the idiots in Washington did by interfering in the Vietnam War costing us troops lives and ultimately causing the pull out.

We didn't lose that war we were never allowed by inept politicians to win.

Obama is proving my point once again that education does not equal intelligence od inteillect and never will.

Obama is doing exactly the wrong thing on every subject so far. This includes Health Care, the Economy, Cap and Trade and worst of all right now for not telling Hamid Karzai to set down and shut up and he can decide what to do militarily after the war against the enemy is over. Other wise we're out of here and so is 100% all our support in all areas.

Then Obama needs to sit down and shut up and let the Generals do what ever they want to win. Anything less is just stupid which is what I actually expect Obama dumb ass extraordinaire to do, foul up everything he touches as he has so far.
 
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