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Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

goldendog said:
Their thumb problems were apparent to me even before there was a President Obama.
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What irony watching you rant about sitting on one's thumb while you.....yes, sit on your thumbs and defend the outrageous irresponsible deficit spending, ramping up of the debt and double digit unemployment numbers this adminstration is responsible for.

But alas, you will tell yourself this is all Bush's fault for another 8 years because to be honest, Liberals like you don't care about facts or reality; you're more interested in uninformed hyper partisan hyperbolic whining.
 
The people at the Tea party events are correct in not backing GOP candidates who no longer represent there views. Unlike the obvious cool aid drinking partisan Democrats here.

Why should anyone abandon their core principles for political expedience???

The partisan hacks are amazingly fill in your own word out of touch with what is going on around them. Just keep your head in the sand, all the better for us in the next election cycle.
 
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Truth Detector said:
What irony watching you rant about sitting on one's thumb while you.....yes, sit on your thumbs and defend the outrageous irresponsible deficit spending, ramping up of the debt and double digit unemployment numbers this adminstration is responsible for.

But alas, you will tell yourself this is all Bush's fault for another 8 years because to be honest, Liberals like you don't care about facts or reality; you're more interested in uninformed hyper partisan hyperbolic whining.
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Show me where I have not been avocating for repairing that pasts adminstrations screw ups as quickly and responsibly as possible?

And supporting the President while he is doing so?
 
goldendog said:
Show me where I have not been avocating for repairing that pasts adminstrations screw ups as quickly and responsibly as possible?

And supporting the President while he is doing so?
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Ummm the President is doing even MORE spending than the previous administration.

Holy **** man wake up!
 
disneydude said:
No....actually...there was a time when the GOP was a viable alternative.
The Barry Goldwater Republican party was actually a party with a lot of good ideas.
There are still some good people in the Republican party. However, the GOP for the past couple of decades has been controlled by the far-right base.
This current move to move even further to the right and purge the party of moderates is nothing but good news to the Democratic party.
Yes....let the GOP cater to the fringe and the moderates and independents will move right along with it.....to the Democrats.
Thank you teabaggers!
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Once more you make me laugh. The supreme irony is watching Liberals like you rail about viable alternatives while supporting the out-of-control lunacy that currently infests the National Government.

Tell me something Disney dude, what is viable about Democrats who have spent us into incredible deficits we haven't seen since a World War on the lie that by spending future generations of taxpayers into the poor house we would turn the economy around?

What is viable about Democrats who lied to the American people while demagoguing their political opponents about fiscal responsibility.

What is viable about Democrats who lied to the American when they said they would pay as they go?

What is viable about a party that has represented the absolute and total failure of Liberal policies and now wants to repeat them on an even grander scale and by amounts of money they don't have that will make the Carter years look like a cake walk?

If this is your idea of a "viable" party, I think a MAJORITY of Americans would say you can have it.

Good lord, you just cannot fabricate the level of denial it takes to support such an obvious failure. And now to compound the failure that is the Obama adminstration, they are trying to back away from the war they stated was the RIGHT war to be fighting.

:doh
 
goldendog said:
Show me where I have not been avocating for repairing that pasts adminstrations screw ups as quickly and responsibly as possible?

And supporting the President while he is doing so?
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What the hell are you talking about? You are their cheer leader with pompoms and mini-skirt!

What part of the outrageously irresponsible deficit spending that represents this administration and these morons running our Government have you been against?

Supporting this Presidents negligent spending of future generations into the poorhouse is hardly something one should support.

People like you whined about the Bush deficits for eight years; they pale in comparison to now. You whined about the lack of good jobs when the unemployment rate was 4.5% but are now silent when the current admistration is sitting on dou8ble digit unemployment after spending us into a $1.4 trillioin deficit claiming the "porculus" plan would start the economy back up.

Do you comprehend how much we spend per day on paying the interest on the National Debt which has increased by $2 trillion since Democrats took over? It is $500 MILLION per DAY.

And you think Obama and the Democrats have the money to provide (their numbers) 45 million healthcare? REALLY?

We haven't even scratched the surface yet; wait until they pass the economy killing cap and trade bill and finally come clean on how much taxes we will all have to pay for their grand Government takeover schemes.

What did Obama say? Oh yeah, he is NOT going to let GM fail whatever taxpayer money it takes. Yet, GM is failiing and in bankrupcy regardless of the 45 millions we flushed down the toilet with them.
 
Truth Detector said:
What irony watching you rant about sitting on one's thumb while you.....yes, sit on your thumbs and defend the outrageous irresponsible deficit spending, ramping up of the debt and double digit unemployment numbers this adminstration is responsible for.

But alas, you will tell yourself this is all Bush's fault for another 8 years because to be honest, Liberals like you don't care about facts or reality; you're more interested in uninformed hyper partisan hyperbolic whining.
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Blackdog said:
Ummm the President is doing even MORE spending than the previous administration.

Holy **** man wake up!
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You know what? I don't have a problem with a president who spends money on things that restores the health of our country.

I do have a problem with a President who pours money into a unnecessary war while watching our military crumble under the strain watch our troops
mental health crumble to the point of record suicide rates. Who lies too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs. Watch our country's economy crumble to the point of near meltdown....I could go on.
 
goldendog said:
You know what? I don't have a problem with a president who spends money on things that restores the health of our country.
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Then you should have REAL issues with this President spending us into trillions of dollars of debt and deficits and NOTHING to show for it.

goldendog said:
I do have a problem with a President who pours money into a unnecessary war while watching our military crumble under the strain watch our troops mental health crumble to the point of record suicide rates.
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Apparently you have a problem with REALITY then; because even Democrats supported BOTH wars and the suggesting that the military is crumbling under the strain is hyperbolic BS that cannot be supported by anything remotely considered a credible fact.

I have to laugh at Liberals and their notions about the military and why young men and women join it; they think it is some kind of peace corps job creation tool rather than comprehend the REAL purpose of a military.

If you did a poll of the young men and women who join our military and their leaders, a vast majority would tell you they would rather be over their fighting our enemy keeping us safe at home than picking up trash and drilling on the parade ground. But alas, that REALITY is not something you can manage.

goldendog said:
Who lies too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs.
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Once again you wallow in hyperbolic BS with nothing credible to support your absurd arguments.

But yet, Obama has lied on numerous occasions and you seem to have no problems with that.

goldendog said:
Watch our country's economy crumble to the point of near meltdown....I could go on.
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The notion that Bush should have known what was coming when even the smartest economists in the world didn't requires a level of willful denial that coherent people cannot comprehend.

But alas, as our economy continues to crumble under the weight of Democrat policies, you are okay with it.

Got irony? :doh
 
TD in your one tracked mind...excactly how fast should President Obama repair the eight years of the past administrations screw ups. Bush was handed a 128 billion dollar surplus..how long did it take him to toss that into the wind?

Doing the job correctly and not promply is what is important don't you agree.
 
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Dang TD I was expecting some sort of nonsenseacle rambleing response.
 
goldendog said:
You know what? I don't have a problem with a president who spends money on things that restores the health of our country.
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To bad it is not restoring anything. :roll:

goldendog said:
I do have a problem with a President who pours money into a unnecessary war while watching our military crumble under the strain watch our troops mental health crumble to the point of record suicide rates.
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This happens during any war, that's why they say "war is hell." Do I actually have to post suicide rates from Korea and Vietnam as well? :roll:

goldendog said:
Who lies too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs. Watch our country's economy crumble to the point of near meltdown....I could go on.
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Yes you could and it would not matter...

"I do have a problem with President Obama, who lies too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs. Watch our country's economy crumble to the point of near meltdown....I could go on."

Funny how adding "Obama" to your words makes just as much sense.
 
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goldendog said:
TD in your one tracked mind...excactly how fast should President Obama repair the eight years of the past administrations screw ups. Bush was handed a 128 billion dollar surplus..how long did it take him to toss that into the wind?
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Not to defend Bush but that is bull****. The surplus was imaginary...

"The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion. - The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
 
SE102 said:
Shudder

Poll Finds Deeds Gaining on McDonnell - washingtonpost.com

It's getting closer though.
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the race tightened up a few weeks ago when the republican's anti-women-in-the-work-place thesis from 20 years ago was frontpaged for several days by the post

since then, deeds' momentum has reversed

superstar doug wilder, the first, i believe, african american governor in our history, has refused to endorse the dem

the white house has backed out of VA

and the co-founder of BET (i heard her myself) mocked deeds' stutter and praised the republican as at least being able to articulate a cogent thought

the point---the african american community of VA is really, for some reason, luke warm, maybe even passively aggressively opposed, to deeds

black votership looks to be way down

youth voters, as well

the enthusiasm that swept this most electorally significant state (commonwealth, actually) to obama appears to have evaporated

i believe african american angst derives from deeds' rather running away from the president

i'm not really sure, i'm a californian

i also know that TRAFFIC, commuter issues, is driving this race

that'd be northern VA, essentially suburbs of DC

this is the region that flipped the dominion to obama in november

barring a huge sea change, it very much looks like VA is turning red in 3 weeks

this will TERRIFY bluedogs nationwide

new jersey is a different story

it was in the red bag all thru the summer

but then that third party guy (dagget?) jumped in, and now it's essentially tied

i'll tell you, tho---when corzine ran the ad subliminally attacking christie for being fat---that does NOT look like an incumbent gov who thinks he's gonna win

that arrest of the 30 or so mayors and rabbis for money laundering and trafficking in human body parts has got to play, one would think

christie is a prosecutor with a strong anti corruption record

(according to media reports)

but christie has failed to put together any kind of BUDGETARY SOLUTION to the state's bankrupt condition

it appears the republican is inarticulate when it comes to budget-type lingo

dagget (if that's his name, i don't feel like googling...)

it's daggett, i broke down and yahoo'd

daggett capitalized on christie's weakness and issued some kinda politically tight report on how trenton can get out of its mess

TAXES are the issue in NJ, i hear

corzine is massively unpopular

it very much appears to me that christie was a shoe in til the 3rd party candidate tossed in

just a bunch of fyi

3 weeks from tomorrow, a fun watch

take care, friend, cliff
 
Blackdog said:
Not to defend Bush but that is bull****. The surplus was imaginary...

"The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion. - The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
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Of course a conservative Blog would say that...they probably think Faux/CBN news is credible too.
 
I was under the impression that capitalist economies went through boom and bust cycles. We bought out this bust cycle and prevented a great depression from what I understand. Also the deficit is sustainable, many countries with higher debt to gdp ratios have stable sustainable economies. Our debt to gdp ratio is not that bad from what I hear. This bailout is a better economic plan than another war.

You also cannot blame obama for the unemployment level, he inherited this economy. He also inherited the crumbling infrastructure that got grades of Cs and Ds, due to the bush administration.

Who lies [Bush] too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs...
Once again you wallow in hyperbolic BS with nothing credible to support your absurd arguments.
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But yet, Obama has lied on numerous occasions and you seem to have no problems with that.
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He lied? Was it like WMD big? Like Iraq has connections to the Taliban and al-qaeda big? Like taking advantage of the confusion of 9-11 causing most americans to believe Iraq was somehow involved? Is that not a lie to suit a political need.

...rather than comprehend the REAL purpose of a military...
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What is the really real purpose of the military?

Suggesting that the military is crumbling under the strain is hyperbolic BS that cannot be supported by anything remotely considered a credible fact
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It may not be crumbling, but it sure couldn't do anything about Iran if it needed to. GeoPolitical/Logistical oopsies.

This [suicide] happens during any war, that's why they say "war is hell." DO I actually have to post suicide rates from Korea and Vietnam as well?
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******s, coming back home and blowing their brains out on grandma and granpas lawn... pfft psychological care means more taxes. You wanna tax grandpa and grandpa more, ungrateful? (I was in a military psych ward)
 
goldendog said:
TD in your one tracked mind...excactly how fast should President Obama repair the eight years of the past administrations screw ups.
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That is the point you still cannot seem to grasp, Obama is not repairing ANYTHING; if anything he is making it WORSE. Double digit unemployment, three times the previous adminstrations deficits and a National Debt that now costs the American taxpayers $500 million a day in interest.

And this moron isn't even done yet; he still wants to insure another 45 million uninsured illegal aliens and cost the businesses of America Billions in a farcical cap and trade bill.

It begs the question, how much damage are you going to ignore that these morons are doing before you admit you are a gullible Liberal who bought into the typical lies of the Democrats? Two years, THREE?

goldendog said:
Bush was handed a 128 billion dollar surplus..how long did it take him to toss that into the wind?
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He was also handed a recession, 9-11, hurricane Katrina and the BI-PARTISAN decisions to go into both Afghanistan and Iraq.

I am fascinated how you want to give your candidates a pass on everything yet suggest that Bush did all this on his own. Fascinating denial if you ask me.

:doh

goldendog said:
Doing the job correctly and not promply is what is important don't you agree.
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The notion that increasing the debt by $2 trillion, spending us into a decade of trillion dollar deficits and increasing the scope and size of government beyond anything Bush ever did as being "correct" requires an unbelieveable willingness to suspend disbelief; or massive doses of gullibility and kool-aid.

:doh
 
Blackdog said:
Not to defend Bush but that is bull****. The surplus was imaginary...

"The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion. - The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
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Say I have 1 dollar of debt but three dollars in my pocket and I owe the owner of this debt one dollar and twenty five cents. I'm left with two dollars and seventy five cents in my pocket. That is where the surplus comes from. Now if I have only seventy five cents in my pocket Im in deep doo doo.
 
SE102 said:
I was under the impression that capitalist economies went through boom and bust cycles.
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That is correct; what economic theory suggests that a Government can borrow and spend its way out of one?

SE102 said:
We bought out this bust cycle and prevented a great depression from what I understand.
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And that is the farcical lie only the most gullible among us can possibly believe.

What we did is buy ourselves and extended economic collapse when the bills come due; but the Dems in their desperate desire to maintain partisan political power will not be honest with the American people about how they will pay for their largess until after the 2010 midterms.

SE102 said:
Also the deficit is sustainable, many countries with higher debt to gdp ratios have stable sustainable economies.
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That is a lie and the notion that a nation can spend trillions it doesn't have and run up a National debt that currently costs the American taxpayer $500 million a DAY requires immense amounts of kool-aid.

SE102 said:
Our debt to gdp ratio is not that bad from what I hear. This bailout is a better economic plan than another war.
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Another fracical assertion; but then again, you are attempting to defend the indefensible.

What do you think the current debt to GDP is right now?

The notion that we fight wars for economic gain is another farcical delusion Liberals love to spew in order to defend their irresponsible deficit spending which does NOTHING to help the people they claim they wish to help, but instead create permanent deficits and dependent wards of the state.

SE102 said:
You also cannot blame obama for the unemployment level, he inherited this economy.
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How trite, yet you wish to blame the economy Bush inherited on Bush.

Tell me something, how many years do you think it will take before it IS Obama's economy?

The unemployment level has climbed directly due to the policies of these Democrats and this President. Spending trillions of dollars the Government doesn't have on pork barrell projects hasn't created ONE job nor has it stemmed any of the major the layoffs occurring in the private sector.

SE102 said:
He also inherited the crumbling infrastructure that got grades of Cs and Ds, due to the bush administration.
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I find this argument laughable in the extreme; who do you think is responsible for States infrastructure?

How is that working in New York. Michigan and California; all states with Democrats running the show.

SE102 said:
He lied?
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Absolutely; he lied about Gitmo, he lied about Iraq and Afghanistan, he lied about creating 5,000,000 new high paying jobs and he will be proved a liar when the Democrats have to raise the taxes and fees to pay for the trillions of dollars they have spent that they dont have which has done NOTHING to create anything remotely considered to be economic activity.

SE102 said:
Was it like WMD big? Like Iraq has connections to the Taliban and al-qaeda big? Like taking advantage of the confusion of 9-11 causing most americans to believe Iraq was somehow involved? Is that not a lie to suit a political need.
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There you go again, making things up to fit your narrow partisan views of the world in a vacuum of reality and credible facts.

SE102 said:
What is the really real purpose of the military?
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I am hardly surprised a Liberal would have to ask such a silly question while pretending they don't know the answer.

I bet you think it is just a big Peace Corps. :doh

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It may not be crumbling, but it sure couldn't do anything about Iran if it needed to. GeoPolitical/Logistical oopsies.
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Another laughable yet farcical argument requiring the willful suspension of disbelief or the willful denial of reality and the facts.

Iran's entire military, economy and what little industrial capacity it has could be destroyed in a matter of weeks.

SE102 said:
******s, coming back home and blowing their brains out on grandma and granpas lawn... pfft psychological care means more taxes. You wanna tax grandpa and grandpa more, ungrateful? (I was in a military psych ward)
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Your offensive asinine hyperbolic BS aside, the notion that war causes people to commit suicide requires once again outright ignorance of the facts or perhaps willful denial.

I suggest that before you attempt anything that could even be considered a coherent debate, you try to get some facts first.

But alas, facts and reality can never be a part of a Liberals world view because if they had to deal with facts and reality their farcical notions about economics and human behavior would slap them in the face.

Carry on; I look forward to more of your clown like assertions about economics, war and the human condition.
 
winston53660 said:
Say I have 1 dollar of debt but three dollars in my pocket and I owe the owner of this debt one dollar and twenty five cents. I'm left with two dollars and seventy five cents in my pocket. That is where the surplus comes from. Now if I have only seventy five cents in my pocket Im in deep doo doo.
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Oh my, the true definition of irony:

$3.00 - $1.25 = $1.75. :rofl

No wonder Liberals support Obamanomics; they cannot even manage the most basic math! :rofl

But Winston, your difficulty with math aside, what this Government is doing is spending $10 when it only has $2 then telling everyone they don't need to pay all the $10 back because they are going to save $9 through more efficient Government programs.

Even a small child knows that is a pile of Leftist bile. :rofl
 
Truth Detector said:
The unemployment level has climbed directly due to the policies of these Democrats and this President. .
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I bet you did not say that when Bush took over and the internet bubble went burst. Oh those poor laid off people from internet start ups.....boo hoo it was all Gores fault. Odd thing is after the Silverado S&L bankruptcy and the current situation there is no new technology nor industry created unlike with the internet bubble.
 
Truth Detector said:
Oh my, the true definition of irony:

$3.00 - $1.25 = $1.75. :rofl

No wonder Liberals support Obamanomics; they cannot even manage the most basic math! :rofl

But Winston, your difficulty with math aside, what this Government is doing is spending $10 when it only has $2 then telling everyone they don't need to pay all the $10 back because they are going to save $9 through more efficient Government programs.

Even a small child knows that is a pile of Leftist bile. :rofl
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Sorry my father in law was talking at the same time. Even at a buck seventy five Im still ahead of my debt IOW I have a surplus
 
winston53660 said:
I bet you did not say that when Bush took over and the internet bubble went burst. Oh those poor laid off people from internet start ups.....boo hoo it was all Gores fault. Odd thing is after the Silverado S&L bankruptcy and the current situation there is no new technology nor industry created unlike with the internet bubble.
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What was the unemployment rate when Bush took over? What was it four years into his adminstration?

What caused the mortgage bubble?

Answering those questions honestly can open your eyes to the truth.

But alas, it again begs the question of Liberals like yourself who appear to be reluctant to honestly answer me; if the $200 billion deficit was so bad under Bush causing many of you to rant and rail about how irresponsible Bush was and that he had to increase taxes to pay for them, why then are you okay with Obama borrowing $1.4 trillion to fund this deficit without a single honest debate about raising taxes?

I find the irony of being a Liberal and the denial and hypocrisy it takes to support that political philosophy truly mind numbing.

:doh
 
Alex Libman said:
You forget that the Tea Parties started with Ron Paul, most of whose supporters won't support any other politician currently elected. They were 100% libertarian in the beginning, and they were gradually watered down by mainstream republicans after Obama's election.
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Rather, they were hijacked by Republican crazies, who are out of the mainstream of the Republican party.
 
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