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Protests in Moscow at 'rigged' polls

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BBC NEWS | Europe | Protests in Moscow at 'rigged' polls

Quote from article (The election commission strenuously denied the allegations.

"If you look up the laws, you'll see that it is now a crime to rig an election," said Gennady Raykov, who is co-ordinating the Moscow city election.)

Amazingly it is also a crime to murder someone, but this crime continues at an unending pace with it's victims anyone who has enough clout to be able to be heard and who is at odds with the murderers Putin and his puppet Medvedev.

Quote from article (It all flies in the face of President Dmitry Medvedev's recent promise to renew the country's political system and develop Russia in a democratic way.)

What we in the west fail to realize is that Democracy is different dependant on where one lives.
So, North Korea has a democratic process whereby dear leader is elected.
Moscow is quite obviously adopting the same strategy.
After Moscow, we shall find that the Russian general Election will be carried out in exactly the same (Democratic) way.
 
jujuman13 said:
What we in the west fail to realize is that Democracy is different dependant on where one lives.
So, North Korea has a democratic process whereby dear leader is elected.
Moscow is quite obviously adopting the same strategy.
After Moscow, we shall find that the Russian general Election will be carried out in exactly the same (Democratic) way.
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When an election is always rigged it is not a Democracy. Any country that claims that they are a democracy and yet the same person gets elected every single time for decades is obviously not a democracy. Times change, voter base changes. There is just no way that the same person can get elected 40 years running. Unless it is rigged.
 
jujuman13 said:
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Protests in Moscow at 'rigged' polls

Quote from article (The election commission strenuously denied the allegations.

"If you look up the laws, you'll see that it is now a crime to rig an election," said Gennady Raykov, who is co-ordinating the Moscow city election.)

Amazingly it is also a crime to murder someone, but this crime continues at an unending pace with it's victims anyone who has enough clout to be able to be heard and who is at odds with the murderers Putin and his puppet Medvedev.

Quote from article (It all flies in the face of President Dmitry Medvedev's recent promise to renew the country's political system and develop Russia in a democratic way.)

What we in the west fail to realize is that Democracy is different dependant on where one lives.
So, North Korea has a democratic process whereby dear leader is elected.
Moscow is quite obviously adopting the same strategy.
After Moscow, we shall find that the Russian general Election will be carried out in exactly the same (Democratic) way.
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Pre-emptive british psychological operation to undermine the legitimacy of russian democracy in the eyes of foreigners.
:rofl
 
SE102 said:
Pre-emptive british psychological operation to undermine the legitimacy of russian democracy in the eyes of foreigners.
:rofl
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Uhhh . . . yeah.

:screwy
 
hence the rofl...


But i wouldnt feign to know much about the historical relations between England and Russia
 
Kal'Stang said:
When an election is always rigged it is not a Democracy. [...]
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Sure it is.

If the majority of the mob want the election to be rigged, they can be rigged. If they want future elections canceled indefinitely, they can be canceled. If they want the dissidents put in death camps, they can be - and in a real democracy they usually are.
 
jujuman13 said:
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Protests in Moscow at 'rigged' polls

Quote from article (The election commission strenuously denied the allegations.

"If you look up the laws, you'll see that it is now a crime to rig an election," said Gennady Raykov, who is co-ordinating the Moscow city election.)

Amazingly it is also a crime to murder someone, but this crime continues at an unending pace with it's victims anyone who has enough clout to be able to be heard and who is at odds with the murderers Putin and his puppet Medvedev.

Quote from article (It all flies in the face of President Dmitry Medvedev's recent promise to renew the country's political system and develop Russia in a democratic way.)

What we in the west fail to realize is that Democracy is different dependant on where one lives.
So, North Korea has a democratic process whereby dear leader is elected.
Moscow is quite obviously adopting the same strategy.
After Moscow, we shall find that the Russian general Election will be carried out in exactly the same (Democratic) way.
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Your post apears to be very contradictory. Are you claiming that Russia somehow by some stretch of the immagination has democracy ?
 
SE102 said:
Pre-emptive british psychological operation to undermine the legitimacy of russian democracy in the eyes of foreigners.
:rofl
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Since all of us intelligent foreigners already know that russia is not a democracy how can the Brits undermine something that already has no foundation ? To use the words russia and democracy in the same phrase is oxymoronic.
 
How is modern russia not democratic?
I dunno. Enlighten me.
 
SE102 said:
How is modern russia not democratic?
I dunno. Enlighten me.
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This is too easy !!

No democracy needed for Russia, says ruling party think-tank see link = No democracy needed for Russia, says ruling party think-tank | International | Reuters

weak or no checks and balances within the state,

virtauall no political and legal transparency,

no independent media ,

political parties do not live and nongovernmental groups do not flourish

reporters are killed and the government cannot find/or does not want to find and punish the killers
 
F107HyperSabr said:
This is too easy !!

No democracy needed for Russia, says ruling party think-tank see link = No democracy needed for Russia, says ruling party think-tank | International | Reuters

weak or no checks and balances within the state,

virtauall no political and legal transparency,

no independent media ,

political parties do not live and nongovernmental groups do not flourish

reporters are killed and the government cannot find/or does not want to find and punish the killers
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Oh, thats cool I guess. Ty for that.

But isn't the main party the most popular anyways?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Since all of us intelligent foreigners already know that russia is not a democracy .
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1. What is democracy?

2. Is democracy a set recipe that is one and the same for all?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
reporters are killed and the government cannot find/or does not want to find and punish the killers
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Forget the reporters! Have you found who killed your president? :2razz:
 
Elena said:
You didn't know about a postal vote system in Britain? :shock: :lamo
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What they vote by mail like in france?
I've never voted there lol.
It was just so unrelated to what I posted i couldn't find anything logical in what you said.


As for the world's greatest democracy last I checked, the population in opposition to the elected government goes politically insane to the point they must be monitored by domestic surveillance because they are an issue to national security.:rofl
 
Kal'Stang said:
When an election is always rigged it is not a Democracy. Any country that claims that they are a democracy and yet the same person gets elected every single time for decades is obviously not a democracy. Times change, voter base changes. There is just no way that the same person can get elected 40 years running. Unless it is rigged.
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Not true. I mean, most people don't think elections in America are rigged, but for how long has Robert Byrd been elected? Strom Thurmond?
 
SE102 said:
What they vote by mail like in france?
I've never voted there lol.
It was just so unrelated to what I posted i couldn't find anything logical in what you said.
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I don't know about France, but when we were voting by post it resulted in an avalanche of claims of abuse of a system, yet the results were accepted. Do you see logical connection to "Rigged polls and elections" now?
 
Elena said:
I don't know about France, but when we were voting by post it resulted in an avalanche of claims of abuse of a system, yet the results were accepted. Do you see logical connection to "Rigged polls and elections" now?
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Well, now I do. lol.
 
the makeout hobo said:
Not true. I mean, most people don't think elections in America are rigged, but for how long has Robert Byrd been elected? Strom Thurmond?
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I thought we were talking about leaders? As in Presidents? While senators do often get relected quite often Senators often have far more anonymity than does someone that is President. Senators also get elected by a smaller group than does a President.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I thought we were talking about leaders? As in Presidents? While senators do often get relected quite often Senators often have far more anonymity than does someone that is President. Senators also get elected by a smaller group than does a President.
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Roosevelt got 16 years, and might have gotten more if he hadn't died. The 2-term tradition isn't universal.
 
SE102 said:
Oh, thats cool I guess. Ty for that.

But isn't the main party the most popular anyways?
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It depends on the developement of a country's democratic process. Usually there are either two parties who will battle for the peoples votes and usually the vote is close. At least that is the USA's model. In other democratic countries where there are multiple parties parties tend to adhere to each other in the left and right spectrum. You say "main party" ! SHO TO YE ? WHAT IS THAT ?

That sounds to me like a place where there is no opposition party or parties. Therefore if the "main party" is the only party then there are no checks and balances. If there are no checks and balances how can we guarantee that there truly is democracy. Since the "main party" as in Russia controls the govenment and the govenment controls the media, courts, and the secret police there is no room for democracy.

Have I not just described Russia ?. Yes I did !!
 
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