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Anti-Olympic signs could mean jail: rights group

apdst said:
I don't disagree with the last sentence, but the problem is: who gets to say what is, or isn't inciting false hatred?
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The courts and laws of this fine state that we have established over the last couple hundred years. Its working out quite nicely.
 
SE102 said:
The courts and laws of this fine state that we have established over the last couple hundred years. Its working out quite nicely.
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Well, in this country, it's been legal to say anything you please, no matter how ugly, or trashy it is.
 
SE102 said:
The 'classy' side of freedom i see.
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There are downsides to everything. The downside to freedom, is that some people can say almost anything they want, no matter how stupid it is.
 
SE102 said:
Why have a downside?
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Why call yourself "slightly liberal" if you're not going to display the slightest inclination toward anything actually liberal?
 
Harshaw said:
Why call yourself "slightly liberal" if you're not going to display the slightest inclination toward anything actually liberal?
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Quelling hate-speech isn't liberal?

I don't know what you're on about...
 
apdst said:
Quelling free speech is very Liberal.
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Why don't you to try to respond according to what I posted.

unless... Oh its freedom of speech as long as its against homosexuals.
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i forgot lol!!
 
SE102 said:
Why don't you to try to respond according to what I posted.

unless... Oh its freedom of speech as long as its against homosexuals.
:doh
i forgot lol!!
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It's freedom of speech, no matter who it's against.
 
SE102 said:
Quelling hate-speech isn't liberal?

I don't know what you're on about...
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Well, if you're the kind of "liberal" who's about restricting speech, then OK.
 
SE102 said:
So anti-semetic speech should also be legal?
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You bet it should. Just like anti-black, white, hispanic, north, south, east, west, etc. If we start cherry picking which hate speech is ok and which isn't, where do we draw the line, before free speech is dead, or how do we keep from creating double standards. There's aleady a double standard in this country. Why make it worse?
 
I'll be the kind of liberal that supports quelling hate-speech.
You can be the kind of conservatives that are for yelling fire in a theatre.
 
SE102 said:
I'll be the kind of liberal that supports quelling hate-speech.
You can be the kind of conservatives that are for yelling fire in a theatre.
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Does that mean you're in favor of all those whitey hating Liberal bloggers? How 'bout those Libbos that are always deriding Christianity? Ready to put your foot down on them?
 
SE102 said:
I'll be the kind of liberal that supports quelling hate-speech.
You can be the kind of conservatives that are for yelling fire in a theatre.
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And you're the type of debater who employs strawmen. Gotcha.

If you aren't in favor of ugly speech being legal, then you're not in favor of free speech. Simple as that.

EDIT: OK, just saw your post in the other thread about how you're looking forward to things being more like China were "political idiots" are put down. I would think that even modern American "liberals" would take umbrage with that.
 
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Harshaw said:
And you're the type of debater who employs strawmen. Gotcha.

If you aren't in favor of ugly speech being legal, then you're not in favor of free speech. Simple as that.
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Im sure you're as simple as that.

It's not speech thats ugly. Ugly speech is fine. You can say what you want about black people or white people, you are also free to be ignorant.

You shouldn't be free to do what was implied by my post and what the subject of this discussion did: Implied that there was a conspiracy of homosexual brainwashing in public schools. This is false and if enough people were to believe it it would represent a threat to innocent homosexuals. That guy can have fun proving that in court.

Just like I am not free to say that there is a secret agenda on the part of Jews with financial/banking ties and the largest lobby to undermine our nation and put it into jewish servitude. That qualifies as hate speech that poses an actual threat. Not that I want to compare any person to a nazi or anything.

We're just lucky we live in a state where traditional hate speech is greatly marginalised, so you don't mind people saying it, it only serves to alienate people from it.

Does that mean you're in favor of all those whitey hating Liberal bloggers? How 'bout those Libbos that are always deriding Christianity? Ready to put your foot down on them?
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Last I remembered they don't actually hate whitey, they believe that whitey is the one that hates. Are you familiar with the concept of a hater? Sh*t, from the rhetoric I hear from some conservatives and republicans many of them who believe there is an agenda against the white male are just a new generation who fear ethnic takeover of the government.

As for the libbos who deride christianity, last I remembered theological debate of a a self conflicting and proselytizing religion didn't qualify as hate speech. But maybe thats just me hating christians? ;)

You have failed to address the core of my argument that this pastors form of speech was literally a danger to society, either because you do not possess the ability to stay on track of an argument without deriding someone for being on a percieved 'side' of things or because you do not want to.

I'm saying it qualifies the speech as literally dangerous.

as for my china post :rofl :rofl :rofl all the way to there ;)
 
I have seen perhaps one person in my short lifetime (and it was here, of all places) actually argue against the Olympics.

So, I'm slightly confused why they felt like they needed to crack down on this. Second of all, why? Third, why again?:confused:

Oh no...those bastards are hating on the Olympics for one week. Judas, traitor! Save the principalities from this madness! Quick, let us march to the church to pray for our survival during this troubled time of anti-Olympic sentiment!
 
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SE102 said:
Last I remembered they don't actually hate whitey, they believe that whitey is the one that hates. Are you familiar with the concept of a hater? Sh*t, from the rhetoric I hear from some conservatives and republicans many of them who believe there is an agenda against the white male are just a new generation who fear ethnic takeover of the government.

As for the libbos who deride christianity, last I remembered theological debate of a a self conflicting and proselytizing religion didn't qualify as hate speech. But maybe thats just me hating christians? ;)

You have failed to address the core of my argument that this pastors form of speech was literally a danger to society, either because you do not possess the ability to stay on track of an argument without deriding someone for being on a percieved 'side' of things or because you do not want to.

I'm saying it qualifies the speech as literally dangerous.

as for my china post :rofl :rofl :rofl all the way to there ;)
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See what I was saying about a double standard?

It's only hate speech if it's coming from a white, male, conservative.
 
jamesrage said:
I see the Olympics as a globalist event and and I oppose globalism.
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Oh there you are! I was wondering who said it before. It must have been you. But Seriously? :roll:

It also serves as a fantastic dick measuring contest, so for those of you who really have to feel superior to another country can measure how many medals your country has won.
 
apdst said:
See what I was saying about a double standard?

It's only hate speech if it's coming from a white, male, conservative.
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C'mon this whole thread and thats all you wana talk about :rofl!


Anyways. Who would be opposed to the olympics?
Get to see all the big countries smash the little banana-states.
 
SE102 said:
Just like I am not free to say that there is a secret agenda on the part of Jews with financial/banking ties and the largest lobby to undermine our nation and put it into jewish servitude.
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You ARE free to say that, and you ought to be.

It's speech-restricting folks such as yourself who are far more of a danger than kooks who would spew that stuff.
 
Harshaw said:
You ARE free to say that, and you ought to be.

It's speech-restricting folks such as yourself who are far more of a danger than kooks who would spew that stuff.
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Well you can really say it all you want, but the minute the neo-nazi rally happens i hope it gets gassed...:)
 
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