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Egypt set to ban Bhurka

The ban doesnt actually have a problem with whats being worn...but the forces behind why its being worn. Its also a radical interpretation of Islam, and though it may not address the root of the problem unless we intend to chuck every Muslim into a rehab centre, its more than enough to get your discerning Bhurka wearer out of the country, unless you intend to welcome such types rather then have them out. The same ban was implemented in the 20's during the rise of the Secular Republic of Turkey under Ataturk after the collapse of the Ottoman empire, well before the Western Euros thought of doing it, and it has contributed greatly to Turkeys efforts of seperating and moderating religion in society. It doesnt violate any UN human rights laws and nothing states on paper that it is unacceptable to ban such a thing.

The State banning it does nothing but infringe upon expression of religion. If the religious sect bans it, it's a bit different as that's representative of a fundamental shift in the ideals of that sect. You don't addres the problem, and the problem isn't addressed by chucking every Muslim into PC re-education camp. The problem is theocracy.
 
The State banning it does nothing but infringe upon expression of religion. If the religious sect bans it, it's a bit different as that's representative of a fundamental shift in the ideals of that sect. You don't addres the problem, and the problem isn't addressed by chucking every Muslim into PC re-education camp. The problem is theocracy.

But, if the theocracy self-adjusts to adopt a more secular stance, that is ideal.
 
But, if the theocracy self-adjusts to adopt a more secular stance, that is ideal.

That's moving away from theocracy. But a State banning something like the Bhurka isn't a move in that direction. It's still implementing religious based law, which is a hallmark of a theocracy. If the problem is how women are treated or oppression of women, you have to make laws which free them from those chains. Merely banning a burka does nothing for that cause, it's a band-aid solution.
 
That's moving away from theocracy. But a State banning something like the Bhurka isn't a move in that direction. It's still implementing religious based law, which is a hallmark of a theocracy. If the problem is how women are treated or oppression of women, you have to make laws which free them from those chains. Merely banning a burka does nothing for that cause, it's a band-aid solution.

It's actually worse than a bandaid, because in terms of social policy, for every action we take, there is a reaction. In the case of the state banning religious garments, it feeds religious paranoia and creates a backlash that leads to a militant culture directed at the state. Look at the U.S. population of fundies for examples. They feel "under attack," and thus have gotten even more strident and militant. Jesus Camp is a good example.
 
The State banning it does nothing but infringe upon expression of religion. If the religious sect bans it, it's a bit different as that's representative of a fundamental shift in the ideals of that sect. You don't addres the problem, and the problem isn't addressed by chucking every Muslim into PC re-education camp. The problem is theocracy.

Is it a religion, though?

The underlying problem cannot be resolved unless we intend to reducate them all, for the love of God. What else do you propose? Public awareness programmes? Please!
 
Is it a religion, though?

The underlying problem cannot be resolved unless we intend to reducate them all, for the love of God. What else do you propose? Public awareness programmes? Please!

I never endorse PC reeducation as a solution. The underlying problem is the theocracy and that the laws in general allow for the oppression of certain parts of the population. The solution is a secular government based on the rights and liberties of the individual. Once you open the system to allow people to do as they like, they can make the choices themselves. And if somehow they are forced into a line of action, they'll have legal recourse to correct it.
 
I never endorse PC reeducation as a solution. The underlying problem is the theocracy and that the laws in general allow for the oppression of certain parts of the population.

What are you referring to? You mean, their theocracies?

The solution is a secular government based on the rights and liberties of the individual. Once you open the system to allow people to do as they like, they can make the choices themselves. And if somehow they are forced into a line of action, they'll have legal recourse to correct it.

Extremist Jihad is also an interpretation of Islam completely irrelevent to the Koran itself (except the Burqa Muslims acknolwedge there customs are irrelevant to the religion). I suppose we should support their customs too and stop the opression of that sect of society also? Although sometimes after talking to these people i wonder if there is much difference anyway.
 
What are you referring to? You mean, their theocracies?

In general any theocracy, but the thread was about Egypt. If the religion itself is making the rule, that's fine. It's the religion evolving and changing its rules. If the government makes a law say banning a bhurka, not only is it an infringement upon religious expression but it doesn't do anything to address the real problems in a theocratic government (or anti-theocratic government). I don't support rounding people up and sending them to a reeducation camp though. That won't solve the problem, that's just tyranny. To properly address the problems, you need secular government built on the rights and liberties of the individual.

Extremist Jihad is also an interpretation of Islam completely irrelevent to the Koran itself (except the Burqa Muslims acknolwedge there customs are irrelevant to the religion). I suppose we should support their customs too and stop the opression of that sect of society also? Although sometimes after talking to these people i wonder if there is much difference anyway.

I'm not 100% sure what you're talking about here. The government doesn't get to make rules about which religions are proper and which ones aren't. If a sect has adopted rules for their religious expression, then less they are infringing upon the rights of others there's nothing you can do about it. If they are, and those aren't enforced through State law, then there is always legal recourse to rectify it. Banning the item does nothing.
 
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