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Senate blocks move to bring McChrystal to Hill

kansaswhig said:
I really did appreciate his simplicity. You knew when he talked that he didn't really posses the ability to carefully calculate every word like BHO (when he's not using a teleprompter)

Bush's downfall with me is the fact that he was a jingoist Hawk and never heard a shot fired in anger...I can't get over that; regardless of how much I liked him personally.
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How many shots has Obama heard? Your hypocracy is telling.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, he's trying to decide if he's going to change the mission to a surrender mission.
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How is focusing on defeating Al-Q surrender? Weren't you just saying in another thread that we could in fact defeat Al-Q and that it's the people that call it surrender (like you are doing now) who are the problem?
 
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Agent Ferris said:
I know you wouldn't want to get the opinion of Generals on the ground when discussing warfighting strategy. We should leave to a bunch of politicians.
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I assume Obama is consulting with his military advisers and the Joint Chiefs. I doubt he is discussing military strategy with only Pelosi and Reid.

Agent Ferris said:
Obama is stalling because he and the Democrats are rooting for the Taliban to win and for the U.S. to fail just as they rooted for AQI and the Sadr army to win in Iraq and just as the rooted for the NVA and VC to win in Iraq. They hate the U.S. military and love our enemies.

Obama the Harvard law professor should follow the lead of people who actually know WTF they're talking about, but again Obama along with the majority of the Dems want the U.S. to lose the war in Afghanistan.
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Do you have evidence to suggest Obama is not consulting the Joint Chiefs in his decision?

The rest of your statements can go here, Conspiracy Theories
 
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Ethereal said:
Because he projected strength and resolve.

Every time Bush spoke about military matters I felt like I was listening to the Commander In Chief instead of some political animal.

Obama seems like he’s a hostage to political circumstance; like he's not a leader.
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Dems do not vote for people of principles

they want someone who does what the polls tell him to :doh
 
American said:
How many shots has Obama heard? Your hypocracy is telling.
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First, it's spelled hypocrisy.

Second, I'm not an Obama fan. I voted for McCain. At least J-mac is a Hawk that has been in combat and has a son in the service.

Third, Obama isn't a Hawk (like Bush), in terms of FP/NS; although some decisions that he has made might say otherwise.

Your simple-minded assumption that because I said something critical of Bush makes me an Obama worshipper is really intellectually amateur. Grow up.

I hate all politicians equally.
 
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Gibberish said:
How is focusing on defeating Al-Q surrender? Weren't you just saying in another thread that we could in fact defeat Al-Q and that it's the people that call it surrender (like you are doing now) who are the problem?
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it's not...I've gone round and round with this guy. He hates Obama and doesn't really "get" what's going on in AFG.
 
obvious Child said:
I'd rather kick both to the curb. Where's Goldwater when we need him? How about instead of spending a trillion on healthcare, we spend that to resurrect him and Eisenhower?
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Hold onto your hats, everybody. I'm going to agree with Obvious Child on something. (I'll be ok, I just need to sit down for a second)
 
Gibberish said:
How is focusing on defeating Al-Q surrender?
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Because AQ and the Taliban are on the same team. A win for one is a win for the other. Who do you think provided sanctuary for AQ when they were attacking us?

Weren't you just saying in another thread that we could in fact defeat Al-Q and that it's the people that call it surrender (like you are doing now) who are the problem?
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No, what I said was, we can defeat AQ and the Taliban, in Afghanistan and the people who call for surrender are the problem.
 
apdst said:
Because AQ and the Taliban are on the same team. A win for one is a win for the other. Who do you think provided sanctuary for AQ when they were attacking us?
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Ah, it's more a marraige of convenience...both have different strategic goals. AQ is now in PAK, so the Taliban aren't too much help anymore. If we don't do COIN in AFG, the THEORY is that AQ will return for sanctuary; although that would be dumb b/c they know we are still targeting them. They are safe in PAK b/c we aren't getting help from the Pakistanis...and we probably aren't going in there overtly.

No, what I said was, we can defeat AQ and the Taliban, in Afghanistan and the people who call for surrender are the problem.
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I don't think we can really ever "defeat" either organization and as I pointed out to you on another thread, dissenters are hardly the cause for military failures.
 
kansaswhig said:
Ah, it's more a marraige of convenience...both have different strategic goals. AQ is now in PAK, so the Taliban aren't too much help anymore. If we don't do COIN in AFG, the THEORY is that AQ will return for sanctuary; although that would be dumb b/c they know we are still targeting them. They are safe in PAK b/c we aren't getting help from the Pakistanis...and we probably aren't going in there overtly.
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Why would AQ stay in Pakistan, when they could have 100% protection in Afghanistan? The only reason that AQ is Pakistan, is because we are in Afghanistan.



I don't think we can really ever "defeat" either organization and as I pointed out to you on another thread, dissenters are hardly the cause for military failures.
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Kill enough of them and you can. History has proven that. History also proves that Libbos have been responsible for American battlefield setbacks in the past. No reason why it can't happen again.
 
apdst said:
Why would AQ stay in Pakistan, when they could have 100% protection in Afghanistan? The only reason that AQ is Pakistan, is because we are in Afghanistan.
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Yeah, but they know we would strike them in AFG...that's what a CT strategy is. Bush's plan to target AQ and TB Tgts of opportunity sent AQ into PAK...WITHOUT DOING A FULL FLEDGED COIN STRATEGY. I'm glad you agree with me.




Kill enough of them and you can. History has proven that. History also proves that Libbos have been responsible for American battlefield setbacks in the past. No reason why it can't happen again.
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No that is exactly wrong. Petreaus said during the Surge: "we will never 'kill' our way out of this war or any counterinsurgency".

Liberals are pacifists...oh except the ones that started Korea and Vietnam.
 
kansaswhig said:
Yeah, but they know we would strike them in AFG...that's what a CT strategy is. Bush's plan to target AQ and TB Tgts of opportunity sent AQ into PAK...WITHOUT DOING A FULL FLEDGED COIN STRATEGY. I'm glad you agree with me.
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We're not going to strike AQ in Afghanistan, if we cut a peace deal with the Tallies.






No that is exactly wrong. Petreaus said during the Surge: "we will never 'kill' our way out of this war or any counterinsurgency".
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How many more kills did we score after the surge began? Hmm?

Liberals are pacifists...oh except the ones that started Korea and Vietnam.
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Pacifism is a vehicle to get what they want. They're only anti-war as long as it serves their political purposes. Why, even Code Pink is changing it's position on Afghanistan.
 
I don't think many of us (Americans) truly understand the complexities of the War on Terror where Afghanistan, Al-Quadia and the Taliban are concerned. And we make the mistake of comparing the War in Iraq w/the War on Terror. They share some similarities, but they aren't the same.

For starters, we dismantled Iraq's military and local police forces. As such, it was the American military that put itself in the position of being peacekeepers and combat fighters. It's rather difficult to do both when you have no idea who the enemy is let alone where the enemy is coming from.

Second, American troops had to win the trust of the people. Yes, most were glad that Saddam was no longer in power, but with no ruling government in power, the people didn't know who to trust. That left a power vacuum for insurgent to take root. Fortunately, the boots on the ground recognized this and realized that winning the trust of the people was the best way to turn the tide against the insurgents and ultimately reduce or halt the violence and bring about stability in that country. It also helped that the people were able to vote for a government they believe in and not one set in place by the U.S.

Afghanistan is different.

While Afghanistan also had a hostile government - the Taliban - it was a government most Afghan people respected because they allowed local warlords to run their little provinces their way to maintain order. It is these pockets of warlords that is causing problems for American and coalition forces. Each warlord kinda run their province alittle differently. So, what works in one area doesn't necessarily work in another.

Also, most Afghan people don't see the American/coalition forces as liberators; they're viewed as occupiers. Yes, American troops had the same problem in the early goings of the War in Iraq, but this is different. The way most Afghan people see it, American's came over to disrupt Al-Quadia and capture Osama Bin Laden, not to stay in Afghanistan indefinitely...kinda the same w/Iraq, but the trust levels are alot lower. Had we stayed the course in the early stages of the War on Terror when we had both Al Quadia and the Taliban on the run, we could have done more to win the hearts of the Afghan people. But we didn't. As such, other warlords have just stepped in where one dies. And just as in Iraq, there's the big problem with insurgency. And the people won't step up because they consider themselves trapped in the middle between a divided government under the leadership of someone they don't think they can trust, the local warlords who continue to rule with iron fist but mostly fairly according to the people, and the Taliban who support the warlords and insurgent insurrection. All because we took our eyes of the prize...

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that a people will willingly put their trust in their oppressor over their "liberator", but that seems to be a big part of the problem in Afghanistan right now. Bottom line, however, is we went over their with one mandate - to disrupt and destroy Al-Quadia and capture or kill Bin Laden - but have learned that you can't defeat Al-Quadia w/o defeating the Taliban, too. But the more you fight the Taliban, the more people from within Afghanistan and Pakistan seem to rally on their side.

Oh, and Pakistan is another MAJOR part of the War on Terror problem. As long as the Pakistan government refuses to go into those pockets along the Afghan/Pakistan mountain boarder region and fight the Taliban/insurgents, American/coalition forces will never make any true headway in the War on Terror.

This article provides a glimps into what options President Obama may have in dealing with this complex issue.

One last thing: I agree with the Senate; I don't think it's necessary to bring McChrystal before Congress. What would be the point?
 
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apdst said:
We're not going to strike AQ in Afghanistan, if we cut a peace deal with the Tallies.
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Oh my God, man. YOU STARTED A THREAD CALLED "Obama going after AQ in Afghanistan, not Taliban". Don't you remember that? What is wrong with you? Do you know how many times you defeated your own argument in like five different threads? What peace treaty? Where did you hear that? Is that official? Guys like you that make **** up and distort facts for your own partisan satisfaction don't belong here. Get your **** straight and grow up.

How many more kills did we score after the surge began? Hmm?
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The kinetics didn't really change that much, to be honest. There was a brief period of increased violence when we retook some battlespace that we had abandoned. How do you suppose I know this? Yep, that's right...it's first hand knowledge. I love destroying your arguments. It's so easy.

Pacifism is a vehicle to get what they want. They're only anti-war as long as it serves their political purposes.
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Absolutely. All politicians are guilty of it. That's why they all suck.

Why, even Code Pink is changing it's position on Afghanistan.
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Code Pink ranks up there with NAMBLA as one of the most pathetic organizations of all time.
 
apdst said:
No, what I said was, we can defeat AQ and the Taliban, in Afghanistan and the people who call for surrender are the problem.
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So how is fighting the Al-Q equal to surrender? Obama is looking into changing our mission from targeting the Taliban to targeting AQ and you said this change is surrender.
 
Gibberish said:
I assume Obama is consulting with his military advisers and the Joint Chiefs. I doubt he is discussing military strategy with only Pelosi and Reid.
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What rock have you been under? He has only consulted with McChrystal a total of one time until he was shamed into doing it again by making him fly to ****ing Copenhagen.
 
Agent Ferris said:
What rock have you been under? He has only consulted with McChrystal a total of one time until he was shamed into doing it again by making him fly to ****ing Copenhagen.
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Under the rock where is McChrystal NOT a member of the Joint Chiefs and/or Obama's Military council. It's called Earth.

There is a chain of command. McChrystal's reports go through the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Defense goes to the President.
 
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kansaswhig said:
I don't think anyone could do that. Except Terry Schiavo.
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Obama has with ease. In less than a year he's gaffed more times that Bush dropped one of his "isms".

The Audacity of a Dope!

His insistence to hire tax cheats. Nice move... Tax Cheat at the Treasury. Daschle, Richardson, Killefer, Solis.

Military moral in the toilet. Wonder why? He's such a believable Commander in Chief. The troops hearts just sing knowing he is there with 100% support for their putting their lives on the line to rid the world of a scourge...LOL.

He added insult to injury on the economy. He went in the wrong direction in correcting a problem started by Carter, with turbo chargers added by Clinton/Reno, that exploded under Bush (though Bush and McCain warned about the potential fallout).

ACORN. If you're a whore, wanna hire illegal children and partake in Human Trafficking... we're your organization. Obama trained and supported... with a seat at the table offered by the Dr. Oh!?

Targeting AIG executives. Wasn't that a nice exhibition of judgment? Having Americans live in fear because of the president.

Calling police "stupid" after one of his buddies has a tizzy fit. Forget the facts, just dump on the cops... because he's a radical black buddy of yours.

Meet with our enemies... or indicating he will... but doesn't have the time for FOXNEWS. Judgment, and priorities.

Gifts/slights to our English allies. Would you like fries with your CD's? How about a format you can use?

Holder, Obama's AG... we are racists.

Caving to the Russians. Polish/Czech defense shield dumped on the anniversary of the Soviets invading Poland in 1939. Now that takes exceptional talentski! Of course, we know Dr. Oh! has a great grasp of geo-politics.

Gitmo. Some people just fail to understand. I guess he just doesn't get why people don't want this troupe of gay singers and dancers in their back yard. Couldn't be more friendly neighbors. As a bonus it comes with your community's very own invitation to the terror target list. Dr. O! fails to grasp the grass roots realities... still.

Obama claimed superior "judgment". How could he pick the only gaffe bomb bigger than himself as VP? Because he is such a light weight. Lacks Gravitas... even with the POTUS title.

Permitting the President's jet to fly over NY without a warning to the citizens. Now that is foresight, understanding and judgment. 911 just didn't happen to many Libs, and Dr. O! wanted to prove it.

"Shovel Ready" to 10 percent unemployment. The only thing "shovel ready" is when he or Obiden open their yaps and their propagandists start flinging and spinning the daily crap.

Socialist healthcare. Has failed anywhere it has been tried, but who cares. You need it. Constitution? What's that?

His trip to Denmark; it would have been different had he not personalized the bid, and had they not finished in last place. But he did and they did. Boffo I say.

Government Motors! Was it necessary? No. But it is ours now. It's nice to know that Skoda, Lada, Yugo and Trabant were government motors too.

Bowing to the Saudi King. I was nervous for a second. The King's cape opened just as Dr. O! was going down.

"We're not a Christian nation". At least when he speaks to Muslim nations.

His handling of the Iranian protests. It took what?... 5 days for a response. I guess it took that long to get a clean pair of diapers on him.

Little Kim launching a rocket after Little O's nuke proliferation and World Peace, Why can't we get along? speech.

That's the tip of the guy we know as Dr. Oh!
Not bad for his first 9 months.

Then there is Afghanistan.
He said this is where we should be fighting.
His generals seem pissed...
...because they seen another stroke of brilliance from Dr. Oh!


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zimmer said:
Obama has with ease. In less than a year he's gaffed more times that Bush dropped one of his "isms".

The Audacity of a Dope!

His insistence to hire tax cheats. Nice move... Tax Cheat at the Treasury. Daschle, Richardson, Killefer, Solis.

Military moral in the toilet. Wonder why? He's such a believable Commander in Chief. The troops hearts just sing knowing he is there with 100% support for their putting their lives on the line to rid the world of a scourge...LOL.

He added insult to injury on the economy. He went in the wrong direction in correcting a problem started by Carter, with turbo chargers added by Clinton/Reno, that exploded under Bush (though Bush and McCain warned about the potential fallout).

ACORN. If you're a whore, wanna hire illegal children and partake in Human Trafficking... we're your organization. Obama trained and supported... with a seat at the table offered by the Dr. Oh!?

Targeting AIG executives. Wasn't that a nice exhibition of judgment? Having Americans live in fear because of the president.

Calling police "stupid" after one of his buddies has a tizzy fit. Forget the facts, just dump on the cops... because he's a radical black buddy of yours.

Meet with our enemies... or indicating he will... but doesn't have the time for FOXNEWS. Judgment, and priorities.

Gifts/slights to our English allies. Would you like fries with your CD's? How about a format you can use?

Holder, Obama's AG... we are racists.

Caving to the Russians. Polish/Czech defense shield dumped on the anniversary of the Soviets invading Poland in 1939. Now that takes exceptional talentski! Of course, we know Dr. Oh! has a great grasp of geo-politics.

Gitmo. Some people just fail to understand. I guess he just doesn't get why people don't want this troupe of gay singers and dancers in their back yard. Couldn't be more friendly neighbors. As a bonus it comes with your community's very own invitation to the terror target list. Dr. O! fails to grasp the grass roots realities... still.

Obama claimed superior "judgment". How could he pick the only gaffe bomb bigger than himself as VP? Because he is such a light weight. Lacks Gravitas... even with the POTUS title.

Permitting the President's jet to fly over NY without a warning to the citizens. Now that is foresight, understanding and judgment. 911 just didn't happen to many Libs, and Dr. O! wanted to prove it.

"Shovel Ready" to 10 percent unemployment. The only thing "shovel ready" is when he or Obiden open their yaps and their propagandists start flinging and spinning the daily crap.

Socialist healthcare. Has failed anywhere it has been tried, but who cares. You need it. Constitution? What's that?

His trip to Denmark; it would have been different had he not personalized the bid, and had they not finished in last place. But he did and they did. Boffo I say.

Government Motors! Was it necessary? No. But it is ours now. It's nice to know that Skoda, Lada, Yugo and Trabant were government motors too.

Bowing to the Saudi King. I was nervous for a second. The King's cape opened just as Dr. O! was going down.

"We're not a Christian nation". At least when he speaks to Muslim nations.

His handling of the Iranian protests. It took what?... 5 days for a response. I guess it took that long to get a clean pair of diapers on him.

Little Kim launching a rocket after Little O's nuke proliferation and World Peace, Why can't we get along? speech.

That's the tip of the guy we know as Dr. Oh!
Not bad for his first 9 months.

Then there is Afghanistan.
He said this is where we should be fighting.
His generals seem pissed...
...because they seen another stroke of brilliance from Dr. Oh!
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Furthering my argument that all politicans are no good.
 
zimmer said:
Obama has with ease. In less than a year he's gaffed more times that Bush dropped one of his "isms".

The Audacity of a Dope!

His insistence to hire tax cheats. Nice move... Tax Cheat at the Treasury. Daschle, Richardson, Killefer, Solis.

Military moral in the toilet. Wonder why? He's such a believable Commander in Chief. The troops hearts just sing knowing he is there with 100% support for their putting their lives on the line to rid the world of a scourge...LOL.

He added insult to injury on the economy. He went in the wrong direction in correcting a problem started by Carter, with turbo chargers added by Clinton/Reno, that exploded under Bush (though Bush and McCain warned about the potential fallout).

ACORN. If you're a whore, wanna hire illegal children and partake in Human Trafficking... we're your organization. Obama trained and supported... with a seat at the table offered by the Dr. Oh!?

Targeting AIG executives. Wasn't that a nice exhibition of judgment? Having Americans live in fear because of the president.

Calling police "stupid" after one of his buddies has a tizzy fit. Forget the facts, just dump on the cops... because he's a radical black buddy of yours.

Meet with our enemies... or indicating he will... but doesn't have the time for FOXNEWS. Judgment, and priorities.

Gifts/slights to our English allies. Would you like fries with your CD's? How about a format you can use?

Holder, Obama's AG... we are racists.

Caving to the Russians. Polish/Czech defense shield dumped on the anniversary of the Soviets invading Poland in 1939. Now that takes exceptional talentski! Of course, we know Dr. Oh! has a great grasp of geo-politics.

Gitmo. Some people just fail to understand. I guess he just doesn't get why people don't want this troupe of gay singers and dancers in their back yard. Couldn't be more friendly neighbors. As a bonus it comes with your community's very own invitation to the terror target list. Dr. O! fails to grasp the grass roots realities... still.

Obama claimed superior "judgment". How could he pick the only gaffe bomb bigger than himself as VP? Because he is such a light weight. Lacks Gravitas... even with the POTUS title.

Permitting the President's jet to fly over NY without a warning to the citizens. Now that is foresight, understanding and judgment. 911 just didn't happen to many Libs, and Dr. O! wanted to prove it.

"Shovel Ready" to 10 percent unemployment. The only thing "shovel ready" is when he or Obiden open their yaps and their propagandists start flinging and spinning the daily crap.

Socialist healthcare. Has failed anywhere it has been tried, but who cares. You need it. Constitution? What's that?

His trip to Denmark; it would have been different had he not personalized the bid, and had they not finished in last place. But he did and they did. Boffo I say.

Government Motors! Was it necessary? No. But it is ours now. It's nice to know that Skoda, Lada, Yugo and Trabant were government motors too.

Bowing to the Saudi King. I was nervous for a second. The King's cape opened just as Dr. O! was going down.

"We're not a Christian nation". At least when he speaks to Muslim nations.

His handling of the Iranian protests. It took what?... 5 days for a response. I guess it took that long to get a clean pair of diapers on him.

Little Kim launching a rocket after Little O's nuke proliferation and World Peace, Why can't we get along? speech.

That's the tip of the guy we know as Dr. Oh!
Not bad for his first 9 months.

Then there is Afghanistan.
He said this is where we should be fighting.
His generals seem pissed...
...because they seen another stroke of brilliance from Dr. Oh!

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If you are going to bash Obama through copy/paste you need to at least remove the one's that are flat out ignorant statements. Obama has many faults. There is no reason to make things up and lose credibility.
 
Gibberish said:
If you are going to bash Obama through copy/paste you need to at least remove the one's that are flat out ignorant statements. Obama has many faults. There is no reason to make things up and lose credibility.
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What is false?
Point one out.

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zimmer said:
What is false?
Point one out.

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Sure thing. Just a few.

zimmer said:
Military moral in the toilet. Wonder why? He's such a believable Commander in Chief. The troops hearts just sing knowing he is there with 100% support for their putting their lives on the line to rid the world of a scourge...LOL.
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Moral has been down long before Obama took office. There has not been any significant drop in 2009 when compared to the past 8 years.

zimmer said:
Calling police "stupid" after one of his buddies has a tizzy fit. Forget the facts, just dump on the cops... because he's a radical black buddy of yours.
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He called the officer's actions stupid and Obama didn't know

Meet with our enemies... or indicating he will... but doesn't have the time for FOXNEWS. Judgment, and priorities. Please source where Gates and Obama are "buddies".

zimmer said:
Caving to the Russians. Polish/Czech defense shield dumped on the anniversary of the Soviets invading Poland in 1939. Now that takes exceptional talentski! Of course, we know Dr. Oh! has a great grasp of geo-politics.
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The limited defense field Bush proposed was scraped to make use of a more versatile and supposedly more effiective system. Defense Sectretary Gates has been a huge advocate of this new system.



zimmer said:
Permitting the President's jet to fly over NY without a warning to the citizens. Now that is foresight, understanding and judgment. 911 just didn't happen to many Libs, and Dr. O! wanted to prove it.
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Please source where Obama specifically permitted this.

zimmer said:
Socialist healthcare. Has failed anywhere it has been tried, but who cares. You need it. Constitution? What's that?
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So UK, Germany, Austria, Israel, AUstralia, New Zealand, Neatherlands, Canada, etc. all have failed health care systems? They seem to be working pretty well to me.

zimmer said:
His trip to Denmark; it would have been different had he not personalized the bid, and had they not finished in last place. But he did and they did. Boffo I say.
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And if Chicago would have won I'm sure you would have been attacking Obama for costing Chicago billions of dollars. And when Chicao ended up making money from the games since they don't need to spend the billions to build a non-existant infastructure you would have attacked him for Phelps only getting 8 instead of 9 medals.


zimmer said:
Government Motors! Was it necessary? No. But it is ours now. It's nice to know that Skoda, Lada, Yugo and Trabant were government motors too.
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Bush is the one that purchased GM, not Obama.

zimmer said:
"We're not a Christian nation". At least when he speaks to Muslim nations.
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We are not a Christian nation. We are a nation of all types of religions. Christianity is not our national religion.

zimmer said:
His handling of the Iranian protests. It took what?... 5 days for a response. I guess it took that long to get a clean pair of diapers on him.
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Protests in a nation we have no jursidiction in. Any and every response was to be purely humanitarian. WOuld you be ok with Iran intejecting in protests in the US?


zimmer said:
Little Kim launching a rocket after Little O's nuke proliferation and World Peace, Why can't we get along? speech.
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So if dictaorships don't wait X days after a Presdients speech it's the Presidents fault the dictators performed the action?
 
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