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Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past

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PeteEU said:
So.... just because he was maybe born a Jew, some how means he is a Jew for life regardless if he changes faith?
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That's what most Jew-haters think. :shrug: For them, it's ethnic, not religious.
 
All this talk about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad misses the point. He is NOT the leader of Iran.

The leader of Iran is Ali Hoseyni Khamenei, the Grand Ayatollah. All power and decisions ultimately flow through him.

Why are we spending so much time on Ahmadinejad when there are groups in both Europe and the United States that foust Halocoaust denial on a dailiy basis?

There is no evidence at all that Ahmadinejad's comments on the Halocaust are translating into political enactment of brutality against Jews ala the Halocaust.

Ahmadinejad has been condemned the world over for the comments, and elements within his own country have openly denounced him for making the comments. He appears to have gotten the message when last week he made no mention of Halucaust denial after Ben's scathing attack during the UN proceedings.
 
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Harshaw said:
That's what most Jew-haters think. :shrug: For them, it's ethnic, not religious.
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Not what I meant. Sure the Jew-haters think that, since they would go back generations to find any jewish blood if needed. They are after all nutjobs.

What I mean is, how do normal Jews think of this. I would expect the radical form were of the same opinion as radical Muslims of today.. born a Jew always a Jew.

I know many Muslim's, especially the radicals to this day think, born Muslim always a Muslim. I also know that Christians thought this for centuries and it was punishable by death to convert to something else. I also bet there are some who still believe this.

But is it only radical Jews that have this opinion or is it everyone? I mean from the comments in this thread, one could gather easily that what religion he was born into some how mattered.. else why start this thread at all?
 
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I suppose it matters in the same way Strom Thurmond having a black daughter mattered.
 
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Post #6 should solve your confusion, Pete.
 
Laila said:
A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from the Jewish for "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past - Telegraph

Lol. Well that may explain it
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Fascinating. This is an interesting psychological phenomenon that can occur where people turn vehemently against their heritage in a way to gain acceptance by the mainstream. Their negativity turns into obsessive hatred.

The chess play Bobby Fischer suffered this syndrome.
 
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If anything this just goes to show how much our media cherry picks lines without the reasoning for the line being said. Maybe Mr. "Amndijahammmab" doesn't hate Jews and was simply responding the wiping the sovereignty of Israel off the world map if Israel attacks for no reason.
 
Sabourjian - From what I understand, sabor denotes a "thread painter" in Farsi and is connected to the carpet-weaving industry. In addition, jian denotes a "worker" in Turkish. There is a significant Turkoman minority in Iran.

Ahmadinejad - The familiar surname Ahmadinejad is actually an English language contrivance. Translated properly into English from Farsi/Urdu the name would be rendered as two words - Ahmadi Nejad. This roughly translates as "Son of the Most High". Some say that the surname Ahmadinejad was chosen after the family converted to Islam. But converted from what?

I do know that the family surname was changed from Sabourjian to Ahmadinejad. I do not know why or understand precisely what each name means linguistically. I personally tend to doubt that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a Jewish heritage.

This Ahmadinejad speculation reminds me somewhat of Reinhard Heydrich. Heydrich was second only to Himmler in the SS and co-shares responsibility with Himmler for the death camps. As Heydrich was ascending in rank, there were rumors in Germany and within the German military that he had some Jewish blood. It is speculated that Heydrich responded (overcompensated) to these rumors via the extreme ruthlessness and viciousness towards the Jewish populations that fell under his control.

Not comparing Ahmadinejad himself to Heydrich, only the possible parallels of Jewish heritage and recompense in their respective lineage.
 
I KNEW this whole thing was the jews fault.
 
Laila said:
A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad's birthplace, and the name derives from the Jewish for "weaver of the Sabour", the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran's Ministry of the Interior.

Experts last night suggested Mr Ahmadinejad's track record for hate-filled attacks on Jews could be an overcompensation to hide his past.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past - Telegraph

Lol. Well that may explain it
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this guy has got a lot in common with adolf :mrgreen:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Fascinating. This is an interesting psychological phenomenon that can occur where people turn vehemently against their heritage in a way to gain acceptance by the mainstream. Their negativity turns into obsessive hatred.

The chess play Bobby Fischer suffered this syndrome.
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You think Bobby Fischer was trying to gain acceptance by the mainstream? The guy was crazy and I'm guessing much of his anti this and anti that behavior stemmed more from a combination of him being more than slightly nuts and various governments giving him a hard time vs any ploy to win public favor. I don't think that guy cared about being popular in the least.
 
As for Ahmadinejad's jewish blood things could only be funnier if he were also caught having a homosexual tryst. :mrgreen:
 
talloulou said:
As for Ahmadinejad's jewish blood things could only be funnier if he were also caught having a homosexual tryst. :mrgreen:
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Hey now, there are no homosexuals in Iran, remember? :lol:
 
talloulou said:
You think Bobby Fischer was trying to gain acceptance by the mainstream? The guy was crazy and I'm guessing much of his anti this and anti that behavior stemmed more from a combination of him being more than slightly nuts and various governments giving him a hard time vs any ploy to win public favor. I don't think that guy cared about being popular in the least.
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You have a point there. Mr Fischer most likely had mother hatred as a cause for his anti-Semitic obsessions, combined with declining mental health.
 
RightinNYC said:
I KNEW this whole thing was the jews fault.
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Of course, even the sinking of the Titanic. What was Iceberg (Iceburg) doing there :doh
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
If anything this just goes to show how much our media cherry picks lines without the reasoning for the line being said. Maybe Mr. "Amndijahammmab" doesn't hate Jews and was simply responding the wiping the sovereignty of Israel off the world map if Israel attacks for no reason.
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Or that he was a massivel hypocritical a*shole. There's also evidence that Hitler had some Jewish ancestory
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
Or that he was a massivel hypocritical a*shole. There's also evidence that Hitler had some Jewish ancestory
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I think that was an urban legend.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
I think that was an urban legend.
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I stand corrected. The rest of my post still stands
 
Laila said:
A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.
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Nonsense. Sheer nonsense. Just because Sabourdjian means cloth weaver does not make it a Jewish name. Such nonsense. The name is not Jewish. Its Farsi or Armenian. You assume its Jewish because you assume all cloth weavers were Jews, Provide the proof that there were no Muslim or Christian or Kurd or Armenian or Zoroastrean or Bahaii cloth weavers with this name.

Utter nonsense.

Do your homework.

Sabourdjian in fact is not a name only used by Jews in Iran.

More to the point If the name was "Jewish" it would be in fact a Yiddish name or a Hebrew name.

The name you assume is Jewish is not only not Jewish but was never limited to use only by Iranian Jews.

You are a perfect example of how people make false assumptions and start nonsensical baseless allegations.

For all you know he could be a Kurd or Armenian or simply a poor Iranian from a low class Muslim family. The fact is you do NOT know you simply assume you do.

This is a classic case of trying to blame Jews for the hatred being spewed against them.

Absolute horse****.
 
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MyOwnDrum said:
Fascinating. This is an interesting psychological phenomenon that can occur where people turn vehemently against their heritage in a way to gain acceptance by the mainstream. Their negativity turns into obsessive hatred.

The chess play Bobby Fischer suffered this syndrome.
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Its also a classic example of you assuming something to be true without properly taking the time to substantiate what you think is true.

That psychological phenomenon is called being a gossip monger or mindless sheep or both or what is called the LEMMING syndrome. Careful before you jump off any cliffs.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
If anything this just goes to show how much our media cherry picks lines without the reasoning for the line being said. Maybe Mr. "Amndijahammmab" doesn't hate Jews and was simply responding the wiping the sovereignty of Israel off the world map if Israel attacks for no reason.
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No it is a classic case of someone spreading a false story to blame the people being targetted with hatred for the hatred.

Its a bull**** false story and its being repeated by people who should know better and not just repeat it like parrots.
 
Mika-El said:
Its also a classic example of you assuming something to be true without properly taking the time to substantiate what you think is true.

That psychological phenomenon is called being a gossip monger or mindless sheep or both or what is called the LEMMING syndrome. Careful before you jump off any cliffs.
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And your post is a classic example of someone on the internet reading a whole lot into one quickly written post, and then jumping to respond in a scathing and disparaging way... :rolleyes:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
And your post is a classic example of someone on the internet reading a whole lot into one quickly written post, and then jumping to respond in a scathing and disparaging way... :rolleyes:
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Mika-El is actually a poster with quite a lot of credibility in my eyes.

If he's outrageous I guess there is something to it.
 
Tashah said:
Sabourjian - From what I understand, sabor denotes a "thread painter" in Farsi and is connected to the carpet-weaving industry. In addition, jian denotes a "worker" in Turkish. There is a significant Turkoman minority in Iran.

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Thank you. It is not a Jewish name. It is in fact an Armenian and Turkish name and yes used in Turkey and also common in Persia and can be used by Kurds and Muslims and Christians and Bahaiis and Zoroastreans.

You are dead on. It is simply a name used for someone who is a weaver.

To assume it was a Jewish name is absolute nonsense. To suggest only Jews would use it is sheer and absolute bull and the fact you have people repeating it shows you how easy it is to start a false rumour based on
baseless speculation.

By the way this phenomena in the case of Jews is very common. The notion of blaming Jews for the hatred or evil that comes there way is a retreaded anti-semitic exercise.
 
Mika-El said:
Nonsense. Sheer nonsense. Just because Sabourdjian means cloth weaver does not make it a Jewish name. Such nonsense. The name is not Jewish. Its Farsi or Armenian. You assume its Jewish because you assume all cloth weavers were Jews, Provide the proof that there were no Muslim or Christian or Kurd or Armenian or Zoroastrean or Bahaii cloth weavers with this name.

Utter nonsense.

Do your homework.

Sabourdjian in fact is not a name only used by Jews in Iran.

More to the point If the name was "Jewish" it would be in fact a Yiddish name or a Hebrew name.

The name you assume is Jewish is not only not Jewish but was never limited to use only by Iranian Jews.

You are a perfect example of how people make false assumptions and start nonsensical baseless allegations.

For all you know he could be a Kurd or Armenian or simply a poor Iranian from a low class Muslim family. The fact is you do NOT know you simply assume you do.

This is a classic case of trying to blame Jews for the hatred being spewed against them.

Absolute horse****.
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maybe his real real name was Mahmoud Cohen
 
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