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Fidel Honoured

lmfao, life expectancy, infant mortality rates, etc have advanced far slower in Cuba after the revolution than most other Latin American countries.

Regardless of speed the fact is Cuban's live longer than the Latin American average, they even live longer than folks in Washington DC, not bad for an apparently evil communist entity.

We also should not focus too much on healthcare as that is to diminish the other success' of the revolution. The scientific breakthroughs, the education system, the end of illiteracy, the cradle to grave security, the development of the new man, the refinement of Marxist thought, It's battle and subsequent victory against apartheid, the establishment of national sovereignty, it's retention at Playa Giron and the inspiration it provides for all liberation movements worldwide, all of these must be remembered and all men of goodness must never allow others too forget.
 
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Regardless of speed the fact is Cuban's live longer than the Latin American average, they even live longer than folks in Washington DC, not bad for an apparently evil communist entity.

Except that they manipulate statistics, so this point is invalid.

We also should not focus too much on healthcare as that is to diminish the other success' of the revolution. The scientific breakthroughs, the education system, the end of illiteracy, the cradle to grave security, the development of the new man, the refinement of Marxist thought, It's battle and subsequent victory against apartheid, the establishment of national sovereignty, it's retention at Playa Giron and the inspiration it provides for all liberation movements worldwide, all of these must be remembered and all men of goodness must never allow others too forget.

This is a mix of meatless rhetoric and plain old lies.
 
Except that they manipulate statistics, so this point is invalid.

That is quite the accusation and one you cannot prove.


This is a mix of meatless rhetoric and plain old lies.

Where are the lies? You can't just say it's lies and be believed, you need to show why. As for "meatless rhetoric", that is beyond ironical.
 
"Attack" in the sense of adopt an adversarial stance and issue posts to that effect, not launch specifically personal attacks. :roll:



What's sad is that your other lines in this thread were actually funnier than this. :lol:
OK, I did a little research and now I know who the ProstateWarrior was. He was the legendary medicine man of the Sioux Nation, Chief Longfinger. He was with Sitting Bull at Little Bighorn.

They had gone there planning to offer Chief Longfinger's services to Custer and his troops, but Custer, typical of the US military's shoot first, ask questions later tedencies, started firing.

Chief Longfinger, Chief Sitting Bull, and their traveling party were forced to defend themselves. That's the real story of Custer's Last Stand. ;)

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That is quite the accusation and one you cannot prove.

I have an aunt who sometimes goes there- no, not to the dressed-up touristy areas, but to the real, poverty-stricken island. She actually met a woman whose daughter died from a lack of medical care, but was not included in the statistics because that would make the Castro brothers look bad, and we can't have that now can we.
 
Regardless of speed the fact is Cuban's live longer than the Latin American average, they even live longer than folks in Washington DC, not bad for an apparently evil communist entity.

They lived longer BEFORE the revolution, the increase in life expectancy increased far more slowly AFTER the revolution than in most other Latin American countries.

We also should not focus too much on healthcare as that is to diminish the other success' of the revolution.

Such as, sex tourism, making Castro one of Forbes' richest men in the world, rampant poverty, lack of civil liberties, medical tourism etc etc et al.

The scientific breakthroughs,

Such as?

the education system, the end of illiteracy,

Literacy was already one of the highest in Latin America BEFORE the revolution.

the cradle to grave security,

Cradle the grave enslavement by the state.

the development of the new man, the refinement of Marxist thought, It's battle and subsequent victory against apartheid,[/quote]

You mean like entire areas of Cuban territory off limits to anyone but foreign tourists?
the establishment of national sovereignty,

And a complete lack of popular sovereignty.
 
They lived longer BEFORE the revolution, the increase in life expectancy increased far more slowly AFTER the revolution than in most other Latin American countries.

It still doesn't negate from the fact that under the dreaded communism Cuba has life expectancy rates comparable with the biggest, richest, most powerful states on the planet.
Such as, sex tourism, making Castro one of Forbes' richest men in the world, rampant poverty, lack of civil liberties, medical tourism etc etc et al.

And that list has long been discredited. They attributed Cuban resources to Fidel, but they were owned by the state, any profits the styate make are reinvested in Cuba. So it's nonsense, and known nonsense at that.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...endum-bill-heads-defeat-4.html#post1058236054

Literacy was already one of the highest in Latin America BEFORE the revolution.

But that is not too deny what I said, regardless of what it was beforehand, the revolutions advancement in literacy is unparalleled.

The National Literacy Campaign of 1961, recognized as one of the most successful initiatives of its kind, mobilized teachers, workers, and secondary school students to teach more than 700,000 persons how to read. This campaign reduced the illiteracy rate from 23% to 4% in the space of one year.


American Experience | Fidel Castro | Views on Cuba | PBS

The rest of what you said is really just slogans and irrelevancies.
 
I have an aunt who sometimes goes there- no, not to the dressed-up touristy areas, but to the real, poverty-stricken island. She actually met a woman whose daughter died from a lack of medical care, but was not included in the statistics because that would make the Castro brothers look bad, and we can't have that now can we.

Wow the ever reliable source of not second, but third hand accounts.
 
OK, I did a little research and now I know who the ProstateWarrior was. He was the legendary medicine man of the Sioux Nation, Chief Longfinger. He was with Sitting Bull at Little Bighorn.

They had gone there planning to offer Chief Longfinger's services to Custer and his troops, but Custer, typical of the US military's shoot first, ask questions later tedencies, started firing.

Chief Longfinger, Chief Sitting Bull, and their traveling party were forced to defend themselves. That's the real story of Custer's Last Stand. ;)

Yeah, it's getting worse there, sparky. David Letterman detailing the entire Washington legislature's adulterous improprieties is funnier than this. :2wave:
 
Yeah, it's getting worse there, sparky. David Letterman detailing the entire Washington legislature's adulterous improprieties is funnier than this. :2wave:
David Letterman? What brought him up? Is David Letterman a decendent of Chief Longfinger? Wow, that is interesting. Thx for letting me know. Do you have a link to something documenting this? I would be very interested in reading it. :2wave:

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David Letterman? What brought him up? Is David Letterman a decendent of Chief Longfinger? Wow, that is interesting. Thx for letting me know. Do you have a link to something documenting this? I would be very interested in reading it. :2wave:

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If this is the caliber of wit you can come up with, it's probably a good thing you stay out of the Basement, even if you're violating the Vegas rule and effectively expressing racist sentiments upstairs. That's probably preferable to the alternative. :rofl
 
Yeah, it's getting worse there, sparky. David Letterman detailing the entire Washington legislature's adulterous improprieties is funnier than this. :2wave:

Alright then I'll ask you lets see the proof I want Links also I want you to provide the GAO report showing that these thing did actually happen and the Congress repermended to the said Congress Men/Women who did what you are saying they did.

I'll be waiting for these links :2wave:
 
If this is the caliber of wit you can come up with, it's probably a good thing you stay out of the Basement, even if you're violating the Vegas rule and effectively expressing racist sentiments upstairs. That's probably preferable to the alternative. :rofl
You must be drunk because you are not making any sense. What racist sentiments and what have I posted that could possibly break the Vegas rule? :confused:

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...*facepalm*

I might have a libertarian perspective on the Cuban administration to offer later, but as this thread is going down the drain quickly, why don't you two keep each other company for a while? :)
 
...*facepalm*

I might have a libertarian perspective on the Cuban administration to offer later, but as this thread is going down the drain quickly, why don't you two keep each other company for a while? :)

Hmm so what you can't provide any links now can you , don't you just love it when you call someone to provide actual Facts and Links and that person either trysa to change the subject by side stepping the question(s) or my favorite I'll answer your question whne you answer mine, when I have already answer that person question in spades.

So Agna you going ot provide the links I requested or you just another punk arse bitch who runs there mouth off. Time to put up of shut up. :roll:
 
It still doesn't negate from the fact that under the dreaded communism Cuba has life expectancy rates comparable with the biggest, richest, most powerful states on the planet.

A) And had that BEFORE the revolution.

B) And is LOWER than Costa Rico when they started out even.

And that list has long been discredited. They attributed Cuban resources to Fidel, but they were owned by the state, any profits the styate make are reinvested in Cuba. So it's nonsense, and known nonsense at that.

So then you don't disagree with the sex and medical tourism? FYI in Cuba Castro is the state.

Provide one peer reviewed paper on the planet corroborating these medical breakthroughs and granting them to Cuba.

But that is not too deny what I said, regardless of what it was beforehand, the revolutions advancement in literacy is unparalleled.

No again like life expectancy was already one of the highest in all of Latin America and its progression happened much more slowly than the rest of Latin America after the revolution.


American Experience | Fidel Castro | Views on Cuba | PBS

The rest of what you said is really just slogans and irrelevancies.

Ya until you compare Cuba with Costa Rica on the Human Development Index and they, also have more civil liberties and less natural resources.
 
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It's a great shame on every freedom-loving person when tyrants like Stalin or Fidel die a natural death, instead of skinned alive and boiled in Tabasco sauce...

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Great success? Battista may have been a corrupt dictator, but Cuba's economy and standard of living were the envy of Latin America at the time. Now it's quite poor. Don't blame the embargo. We had quite a few economic ties with them before the Revolution, but we're the only country with an embargo. They've had 50 years to bounce back.
 
Great success? Battista may have been a corrupt dictator, but Cuba's economy and standard of living were the envy of Latin America at the time. Now it's quite poor. Don't blame the embargo. We had quite a few economic ties with them before the Revolution, but we're the only country with an embargo. They've had 50 years to bounce back.

What's ironic is that the same people who blame the embargo for Cuba's problems often blame America's free trade with other Latin American countries for those countries' problems.

The U.S. just can't win can it?
 
It's a great shame on every freedom-loving person when tyrants like Stalin or Fidel die a natural death, instead of skinned alive and boiled in Tabasco sauce...

:blastem:

"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people." Nelson Mandela
 
Great success? Battista may have been a corrupt dictator, but Cuba's economy and standard of living were the envy of Latin America at the time. Now it's quite poor. Don't blame the embargo. We had quite a few economic ties with them before the Revolution, but we're the only country with an embargo. They've had 50 years to bounce back.

It's still the envy of Latin America. That is the reason you cannot get elected in Latin America without declaring friendship with Fidel Castro and indignation with the US.
 
"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people." Nelson Mandela

Yes praise the man who locks up dissidents, maintains a personality cult, and has destroyed his nation's economy. Call economic connections "imperialism" all you want, but that doesn't stop the fact that they have dramatically improvecd the standard of living for Cubans while that autocratic thug, Castro, has substantially reduced it. I've had enough BS for one day, see ya
 
A) And had that BEFORE the revolution.

Why are you lying? Cuba did not have higher life expectancy than in Washington DC. You have lied and everyone can see it. And as you have so blatantly lied, no man of good conscience will believe another word you say.


B) And is LOWER than Costa Rico when they started out even.

I've never heard of Costa Rico. It's that succesfull a state you don't even know it's name.

So then you don't disagree with the sex and medical tourism? FYI in Cuba Castro is the state.

Neither exists. And Castro is not the state, the communisty party is the authority in Cuba, and Castro is not the party, merely the figurehead, visionary and father, who, thus, must be respected.

Provide one peer reviewed paper on the planet corroborating these medical breakthroughs and granting them to Cuba.

I've provided you with proof, if you don't believe it, do some research. With such apparent laziness it is no wonder you hate the state of the workers so much.


No again like life expectancy was already one of the highest in all of Latin America and its progression happened much more slowly than the rest of Latin America after the revolution.

You keep saying that, but we have nothing but your word, and regardless, Cuba still performs on par with the 1st world, the region doesn't. Cuba is the envy of Latin America. Which is the very reason we have such great men in ower in the region, such as Chavez, Morales and Correa, because the people want to be more like Cuba.



Ya until you compare Cuba with Costa Rica on the Human Development Index and they, also have more civil liberties and less natural resources.

Fantastic, you know what country you are talking about now :) Cuba outperforms the vast majority of similar states on that index and that is despite of the inherent anti proletarian attitudes of such organizations. These elitist ruling class representatives will never give Cuba the credit they deserve, but through gritted teeth they will give the minimum they can get away with.
 
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