Liberals seek health-care access for illegals

Zyphlin said:

Wait, so are you saying that if you state something you feel is true based on the current information you have and then it later comes to be that that information is wrong and situations have changed, that means you lied?

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Well, for one, PBO knew then that the bill wouldn't deny government health care to illegals. Second, Congressional Democrats insured that that was the case. Why, after Joe Wilson called PBO a liar, did Congress critter aides rush to close loopholes that would allow illegals to collect government health care, if it wasn't true?

Devil505 said:

:lol: You spelled Republicans wrong....It's R E P U B L I C A N ..!:lol: :2wave:

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In all seriousness though. Politicians need to be vetted by their constituents on a one-by-one basis... Those who get my vote are those most likely to actually perform their proper constitutional duties... all too often that's neither party, but in my view republicans tend to do so more often, and tend to prefer at least a slower expansion of the government. That's why I tend to vote for republicans. I would vote for a solid 3rd party candidate in a second if I believed they could actually win.


gonna tell me I spelled "democrat" wrong now? :lol:

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In all seriousness though. Politicians need to be vetted by their constituents on a one-by-one basis... Those who get my vote are those most likely to actually perform their proper constitutional duties... all too often that's neither party, but in my view republicans tend to do so more often, and tend to prefer at least a slower expansion of the government. That's why I tend to vote for republicans. I would vote for a solid 3rd party candidate in a second if I believed they could actually win.



gonna tell me I spelled "democrat" wrong now? :lol:

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In all seriousness......my one word response is G.W. Bush. (alright.....one word & 2 letters!)

I'd love to see a truly moderate conservative 3rd party too.....But I don't see that really happening unless the GOP gets trounced again next year & in 2012.
Traditional GOP voters will just continue to reward the current GOP with their votes & forgive it's ineptness & abandonment of conservative values......no matter what it seems.

Devil505 said:

In all seriousness......my one word response is G.W. Bush. (alright.....one word & 2 letters!)

I'd love to see a truly moderate conservative 3rd party too.....But I don't see that really happening unless the GOP gets trounced again next year & in 2012.
Traditional GOP voters will just continue to reward the current GOP with their votes & forgive it's ineptness & abandonment of conservative values......no matter what it seems.

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So what you are saying is that unless the Republicans bring a very conservative candidate forward at the next election you will vote for Obama????? :shock:

Crunch said:

So what you are saying is that unless the Republicans bring a very conservative candidate forward at the next election you will vote for Obama????? :shock:

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No. What I am saying is that the GOP has backed itself into a far right-wing corner where it represents a small fringe group of rural, elderly white Americans who are out of touch with the majority of voters who are more moderate now.
Look at the demographics of who voted for McCain last November: The only group McCain carried was the elderly, white male vote & you can't win national elections with just them anymore.
& yes,.....I do think that the Dems (including Obama) represent moderate conservatives now better than the far right GOP does. Most Americans are not born-again evangelicals & most Americans want some kind of real HC reform. The GOP doesn't.....The GOP simply wants to bring down Obama at all costs!


My recommendation is for the GOP to turn more moderate than to keep lurching even further to the right.

It's things like this that show how incredibly screwed up the health care debate is. Not because illegals may or may not be covered. But because its stuff like this and freakin' death panels that we want to go on and on about.

We spend twice as much per capita as almost all other industrialized countries on health care and by all objective measures, get far worse results. We have millions of people without adequate access to health care. We are proposing a health care bill that essentially is going to hand 40 million new customers to the insurance industry, all on the taxpayer dime. Health care costs are spiraling out of control and health insurance premiums are killing small businesses. And we're doing this mired in over a trillion dollar deficit and $12 trillion debt. Yet we want to get our panties in a wad about those damn illegals and fake death panels. Until we actually decide we care about the real problems and stop hyperventilating about the fake ones, we will never come to any real solutions.