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The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

Agnapostate said:
I've never mentioned Edmund Burke. I'd recommend taking a closer look at that bottle's label. ;)
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classical liberalism, comrade

i saw you elsewhere toss the term around

of course, no one completely understood you

and everyone was so typically non responsive

LOLOL!
 
Agnapostate said:
You didn't make a point that was relevant to my original comment to begin with, which was that there were constrictions on youths' human capital acquisition imposed through extended compulsory schooling.
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Sure I did. You presented an "If-then". I responded to the "then" and questioned the rigidity of it. All you are doing is discussing the "if"...half of your initial comment.
 
Agnapostate said:
I've never mentioned Edmund Burke. I'd recommend taking a closer look at that bottle's label. ;)
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Moderator's Warning:
OK, in case folks think my last warning was specific, it wasn't. Personal attacks need to cease, now.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Sure I did. You presented an "If-then". I responded to the "then" and questioned the rigidity of it. All you are doing is discussing the "if"...half of your initial comment.
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I'm afraid you're a bit confused. The constrictions on human capital acquisition are necessarily tied to constrictions on acquisition of practical experience due to employers' discrimination against the uncertified, to say nothing of the mere time wasted by extended compulsory schooling.
 
Agnapostate said:
I'm afraid you're a bit confused. The constrictions on human capital acquisition are necessarily tied to constrictions on acquisition of practical experience due to employers' discrimination against the uncertified, to say nothing of the mere time wasted by extended compulsory schooling.
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well, all i can say to the above is---

don't ever try to get elected on THAT platform

at least not anywhere in america

LOL!
 
Agnapostate said:
I'm afraid you're a bit confused. The constrictions on human capital acquisition are necessarily tied to constrictions on acquisition of practical experience due to employers' discrimination against the uncertified, to say nothing of the mere time wasted by extended compulsory schooling.
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Go read your initial comment on this and add in the part you left out. It's important.
 
The Prof said:
well, all i can say to the above is
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I know that; I remember your other posts. :2wave:

CaptainCourtesy said:
Go read your initial comment on this and add in the part you left out. It's important.
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I'll admit that I unfortunately didn't point out that extended compulsory schooling will restrict one's labor market activity because of the inability to be in two places at once. I'm sorry; I mistakenly assumed that we didn't have time machines. :shrug:
 
DeeJayH said:
problem with the country today?

I have been gainfully employed since about 12
as was everybody I grew up with
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I'm still bitter about the amount of work I was expected to do every day. Starting as a child. By the time I was 9 I was buying paper routes and delivering them before and after school.

Every single day I just wanted to quit but it made my dad so happy. I notice none of my nephews work. I'm really proud of my older brothers. They went through it too.
 
Agnapostate said:
You seem to be having some trouble addressing the topic of the thread. While I'm sure that's entirely accidental, please steady your hands and type carefully. :)
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oh, so back to the non-responsive bit, eh?

i was talking to YOU

about classical liberalism

NEOliberalism

and libertarianism as the perfect expression of socialism

LOL!
 
I'm glad you've become aware of that reality; perhaps you've been reading Joseph Dejacque. Regardless, it's hardly relevant to the thread, so run along now.
 
DeeJayH said:
that is a staggering amount of kids that a large portion will turn to crime. Does anybody know the average unemployment rate for this age group. When my kid gets home you can be sure he will be reading this
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More important than the unemployment rate would be an assessment of their literacy. If it is anything like the stats from some of the schools I've worked with, the majority of these young people are high school drop-outs with very limited literacy.

Fifty years ago, they'd have been fine, but in our increasingly technological world, they're screwed.
 
This doesn't surprise me one bit. Many companies want the experience but they just don't want to be the ones who give it. And these so called older more experienced gentlemen and women who don't want to hire a college graduate because he or she has no work experience, if they were any good, then why have so many run their companies into the ground only to ask for the government to bail them out later? What is going on, is that the well connected are saving the good paying jobs for friends of friends or the children of friends or his or her own children. The direction this country is heading is ridiculous.
 
Agnapostate said:
perhaps you've been reading Joseph Dejacque.
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dejacque?

LOL!

hardly representative of the classical liberalism terminology you toss around so errantly

indeed, it's burke's break with the francophiles that defines his movement

you aren't even comfortable with your own philology

maybe that's why no one is ever capable of responding to what you're SAYING

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
have you learned yet the difference between a bill a law, don?

did the schoolhouse rock lesson take?

how's that OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE BILL coming along these days?
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57% against I hear. Anyway, I wonder if our educational system is reaping what it has sowwed.
 
Hmmm I guess onyl CC got it the main reason we don't have any good enter-level jobs are because over the oast 35+ Year the United States has let Company shut up and move the factories either to Central/South America,India,China or the Far East then send the product back tot eh United States mean while we now have ageneration of Youth who can't get a friggen good paying job and Congress and some of you can't understand why.

Hence why I've been screaming for many year to put 100% taffifs on Textile Products/Candies/Farm Tractors etc. ect. thius would force these company's to 1 Bring back the Jobs and 2 Put Americans back to Work.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Hmmm I guess onyl CC got it the main reason we don't have any good enter-level jobs are because over the oast 35+ Year the United States has let Company shut up and move the factories either to Central/South America,India,China or the Far East then send the product back tot eh United States mean while we now have ageneration of Youth who can't get a friggen good paying job and Congress and some of you can't understand why.

Hence why I've been screaming for many year to put 100% taffifs on Textile Products/Candies/Farm Tractors etc. ect. thius would force these company's to 1 Bring back the Jobs and 2 Put Americans back to Work.
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I really have a hard time understanding how people still think this way. Free trade as a route to economic advancement is not some theory or political position - it's an indisputable fact.

Furthermore, do you really think that's the main reason kids are unemployed nowadays? I doubt that an art history major from the New School who can't find a job in the city would be giddy at the thought of moving to milwaukee/cincinnatti/detroit to work on an assembly line for $13/hr.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
More important than the unemployment rate would be an assessment of their literacy. If it is anything like the stats from some of the schools I've worked with, the majority of these young people are high school drop-outs with very limited literacy.

Fifty years ago, they'd have been fine, but in our increasingly technological world, they're screwed.
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we need jobs for most capability levels, from busboy to physicist.
 
RightinNYC said:
I really have a hard time understanding how people still think this way. Free trade as a route to economic advancement is not some theory or political position - it's an indisputable fact.

Furthermore, do you really think that's the main reason kids are unemployed nowadays? I doubt that an art history major from the New School who can't find a job in the city would be giddy at the thought of moving to milwaukee/cincinnatti/detroit to work on an assembly line for $13/hr.
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Yes I do beleive one of the reason we are in this trouble is that major Industries were allowed to pick up and move out of the United States because they didn't want to pay State Employment taxs,Health Care,Fight with the Union(s) among many of the items. I grew up in the Northeast I got to watch the whole Textile Industry die and move to China/India/Central-South America and then see thos same products come back into the United States.

Hell look at are Steel Industry/Ship Building Industry.

Your right an Art History Major might not go to work on an assembly line but I can think of allot of 18-25 Year Old Americans that would go work on an assembly line. Oh and the last time I check most entery level assembly jobs start out around $14-16 per hour.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Yes I do beleive one of the reason we are in this trouble is that major Industries were allowed to pick up and move out of the United States because they didn't want to pay State Employment taxs,Health Care,Fight with the Union(s) among many of the items. I grew up in the Northeast I got to watch the whole Textile Industry die and move to China/India/Central-South America and then see thos same products come back into the United States.

Hell look at are Steel Industry/Ship Building Industry.
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Again, this is really not something I'm interested in debating. Free trade improves outcomes for all parties, period. The only people who don't benefit from free trade are those that are incapable of adapting or who have nothing to offer, but they wouldn't exactly be thriving in a restrictive trade regime either.

Your right an Art History Major might not go to work on an assembly line but I can think of allot of 18-25 Year Old Americans that would go work on an assembly line.
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I don't, but that is probably due to the fact that I live in a city. Nevertheless, the fact remains that just because some people would like a job doesn't mean it's a good idea to have that job regardless of the other factors that come into play.

I would love to go work on an assembly line that paid me $500k, but the market won't bear it, so I can't. Accordingly, I had to get my **** together and find another career. There's no reason why other 18-25 year olds can't/don't do the same.

Oh and the last time I check most entery level assembly jobs start out around $14-16 per hour.
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And that's probably why those jobs are dying out. A high school dropout or even a high school graduate is probably not worth $14/hr at entry-level.
 
The Prof said:
dejacque?

LOL!

hardly representative of the classical liberalism terminology you toss around so errantly

indeed, it's burke's break with the francophiles that defines his movement

you aren't even comfortable with your own philology

maybe that's why no one is ever capable of responding to what you're SAYING

LOL!
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Actually, I rarely discuss classical liberalism, instead preferring to focus on the improper disconnection between libertarianism and socialism. It seems your vision's a bit clouded, which likely accounts for your inability to make on-topic remarks in this thread. :2wave:

LOL!

LOL!

LOL!
 
Orius said:
In Vancouver recently I met a guy who is 23 and just graduated with his degree in engineering. No one will hire him because he doesn't have at least 4 years experience, so now he works in a coffee shop. We've created a generation where university degrees are the status quo, but they don't really do much in the grand scheme. Degrees are the new high school diploma. People want experience, but companies won't hire you if you don't have it. Yet, you can't get experience if you aren't hired. For young people it's a horrendous catch 22.
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Yea, I hear the engineering guys are getting hit pretty hard. My advice would be to work for free in your spare time. You'll pick up experience and if a spot opens you'll be the most likely person to get it. It's tough, but that's the best way in for young people in certain proffessions.

Also, the trades industry is severely lacking in North America. When the babyboomers all go into retirement, there will be few to do the plumbing, electricity, mechanics, etc. Those are all potentially lucrative careers and the requirements for that kind of education are not as high. The problem is that so little emphasis is placed on the trades as potential careers in high school that people look down upon them. They are all taught to 'aim high' and go for degrees to become paper pushers in desk jobs.

We don't need more paper pushers, we need people with hands on skills.
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Very true. Those types of jobs are barely entertained in American public schools.

I think students should have more flexible curriculums and graduation standards. We should place emphasis on identifying and maximizing a student's strengths, and directing them towards a specialized education instead of trying to apply a one-sized fits all approach to a diverse body of individuals.

Not everyone needs to know how to factor a polynomial or balance a chemical equation. Maybe we should just teach them how to install a sink or replace a engine piston instead.
 
The Prof said:
i completely understand

LOL!
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It's been suggested to me via PM that I challenge you to a True Debate so that I could tear you to pieces definitively. I'd do it if we still had them on the condition that you'd no longer interrupt threads with off-topic babbling after I inevitably beat you. :2wave:
 
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