Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

[Apocalypse]

Iran has been accused of concealing a second uranium enrichment plant in defiance of international calls for transparency over its nuclear plans.

The leaders of the US, UK and France demanded UN inspectors be given immediate access to the facility.

Iran revealed the existence of the plant to the UN watchdog on Monday, saying it was not yet operational and would only be used for nuclear energy.

Tehran has previously acknowledged it has one enrichment plant, at Natanz.

Iran's decision to build a secret facility represented a "direct challenge to the basic compact" of the global non-proliferation regime, US President Barack Obama said, making a statement in Pittsburgh, where he is hosting a G20 summit.

Despite Iran's assertions that the facility was for peaceful purposes, the new plant was "not consistent" with that goal, the US president said.

Speaking alongside UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Mr Obama said it was time for Iran to begin meeting its international commitments.


BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

Meanwhile:

Iran has nuclear warhead plants in Tehran: exiled opposition

PARIS (AFP) – Iran's exiled opposition movement said Thursday it had learned of two previously unknown sites in and near Tehran that are being used to build nuclear warheads.

"Resistance sources have managed to uncover two centres that work directly on nuclear armaments and which were until now kept secret," Mehdi Abrihamtchi of the People's Mujahedeen told reporters in Paris, where his group is based.

"They are places for research and production of detonation systems which is a major part of the mullahs' atomic bomb project," he said, adding that his organisation had passed on the information to the UN atomic watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency.


Iran has nuclear warhead plants in Tehran: exiled opposition - Yahoo! News

For peaceful uses..?

 

[Ward]

Iran ranks 2nd in natural gas reserves and 3rd in oil reserves and Ahmedinejad is enriching uranium just for energy? I figure it's one of these two reasons. He is extremely worried about having a large carbon foot print burning all that oil and natural gas for energy [/sarcasm] or he's getting ready to blow a country up cough*Israel*.

“Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury.” - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

 

[FlanaganReport]

Meanwhile:
For peaceful uses..?

One thing that ought to be seen in reports like this is that the United States has no idea what is going on inside Iran.

We missed the entire nuclear program until an Iranian dissident group told us, and now we are relying on Iran itself to reveal plants that we did not know existed? Our intelligence in regards to this country is apparently non-existent.

It also makes the question of air strikes even more bleak. If you have no idea what the Iranian capability is, and if there are more "secret sites," then you have no way of knowing in an air strike was successful or just a waste of time.

 

[Red_Dave]

Iran ranks 2nd in natural gas reserves and 3rd in oil reserves and Ahmedinejad is enriching uranium just for energy? I figure it's one of these two reasons. He is extremely worried about having a large carbon foot print burning all that oil and natural gas for energy [/sarcasm] or he's getting ready to blow a country up cough*Israel*.

“Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury.” - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Source please

 

[FlanaganReport]

Source please

"Iran, one of OPEC’s founding members, holds the world’s third-largest proven oil reserves and the world’s second-largest natural gas reserves.
Total Energy Consumption in Iran, by type (2006)"

Energy Information Admin

 

[American]

Source please

So you think this opinion is so unbelieveable that it needs some good sources? :lol:

 

[TheNextEra]

I figure it's one of these two reasons. He is extremely worried about having a large carbon foot print burning all that oil and natural gas for energy [/sarcasm] or he's getting ready to blow a country up cough*Israel*.

Or it could be the same reason that many countries want to get nukes, it is a deterrent from the U.S. invading them.

 

[Ward]

Source please

Here's the natural gas part - Greatest Natural Gas Reserves by Country, 2006 — Infoplease.com
Here's the oil part - Greatest Oil Reserves by Country, 2006 — Infoplease.com

 

[FlanaganReport]

Or it could be the same reason that many countries want to get nukes, it is a deterrent from the U.S. invading them.

Which brings up an interesting question. Should the United States look at a relatively small nuclear arsenal as a real credible deterrent? Does, or should, the possession of nuclear weapons automatically equate to being treated on a different field than otherwise might be the case?

 

[Ikari]

Or it could be the same reason that many countries want to get nukes, it is a deterrent from the U.S. invading them.

What? We don't go around the ME just invading countries and overthrowing governments. Pffft, that's crazy talk.

 

[Ward]

Or it could be the same reason that many countries want to get nukes, it is a deterrent from the U.S. invading them.

It's more than likely a number of reasons, but I believe the main one is to blow up Israel. He already said he would and I personally don't like taking chances with nut jobs like him.

 

[TheNextEra]

It's more than likely a number of reasons, but I believe the main one is to blow up Israel. He already said he would and I personally don't like taking chances with nut jobs like him.

No, he never said he would blow up Israel. Please show the quote stating this.

 

[Apocalypse]

Or it could be the same reason that many countries want to get nukes, it is a deterrent from the U.S. invading them.

Well now that's quite the silly thinking there, "let's develop nukes and give the US a reason to invade us so the US won't invade us". :lol:

 

[TheNextEra]

Well now that's quite the silly thinking there, "let's develop nukes and give the US a reason to invade us so the US won't invade us". :lol:

No, it isn't a silly reason, because if they can develop them and hide them successfully the U.S. won't invade them. Tell me what nuclear country the U.S. has invaded?

 

[Apocalypse]

No, it isn't a silly reason, because if they can develop them and hide them successfully the U.S. won't invade them. Tell me what nuclear country the U.S. has invaded?

This question would only lead to a rational conclusion if it was a based fact that the US invades any nation that has no nukes.

We can however say that developing nukes is a great way to get your nation invaded, according to History.

 

[American]

How come the CIA didn't connect the dots?

 

[FlanaganReport]

How come the CIA didn't connect the dots?

Because we have destroyed the HUMINT department and satellite imagery can only tell you so much. Not to mention other reports that came out about the CIA indicated that there was not a single case officer for Iran. This is a huge failure, especially given the amount of opposition groups in Iran that would love to work with us.

 

[Ikari]

This question would only lead to a rational conclusion if it was a based fact that the US invades any nation that has no nukes.

We can however say that developing nukes is a great way to get your nation invaded, according to History.

We did just invade his neighbor and dispatch him. We are in the area ****ing up other countries. We are not really friends with him. He has right to be scared.

 

[American]

Because we have destroyed the HUMINT department and satellite imagery can only tell you so much. Not to mention other reports that came out about the CIA indicated that there was not a single case officer for Iran. This is a huge failure, especially given the amount of opposition groups in Iran that would love to work with us.

I guess Obama didn't want to offend Iran.

 

[Truth Detector]

Or it could be the same reason that many countries want to get nukes, it is a deterrent from the U.S. invading them.

Oh my, you are truly comical today dude. Thanks for another BIG laugh at your expense. :rofl

 

[FlanaganReport]

I guess Obama didn't want to offend Iran.

Well we have been destroying the HUMINT department and the intelligence community for years under multiple administrations.

 

[Truth Detector]

Meanwhile:
For peaceful uses..?

So this issue once again BEGS the question for which Democrats spent year’s demagogueing the Bush Administration on; how has all that TALK/diplomacy worked?

Bottom line; it has been a laughable anemic attempt to reign in a despotic regime that was founded by illegally defying all International protocol by invading a sovereign nations embassy and holding it's citizens hostage for more than a year.

The man leading this nation was one of the agitators/leaders who advocated the embassy takeover and today still claims the Holocaust was a lie and advocates the destruction of Israel.

I am constantly amazed when the REALITY of the naive and nonsensical rhetoric of Liberals/Democrats is exposed for what it is and everyone is surprised.

I am sure that with these new revelations the UN will issue another "statement" that this time they REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY mean it and they better knock it off gosh darn it.

This feckless additional pronouncement will be met with the usual laughing and smirks and the thumb their nose at us responses they have always been met with knowing that the world's leaders and the UN, which they have already proved to terrorists, despots and dictators already, will basically do NOTHING.

 

[Truth Detector]

We did just invade his neighbor and dispatch him. We are in the area ****ing up other countries. We are not really friends with him. He has right to be scared.

I am constantly amused by this farcical argument; but then when NextEra and Ikari make such outrageous claims, they need a farcical argument to rationalize the actions of despots, terrorists and dictators.

But the FACTS are that we never invaded nations because we just didn't like them or that they were attempting to develop nukes, we invaded them because they defied international laws, attacked our nation or defied the UN agreements they signed after they were ejected from their illegal invasion of a neighboring nation.

But of course, FACTS are not something that the excuse mongers want to deal with in order to rationalize and justify the actions of lunatics.

:doh

 

[Ikari]

I am constantly amused by this farcical argument; but then when NextEra and Ikari make such outrageous claims, they need a farcical argument to rationalize the actions of despots, terrorists and dictators.

But the FACTS are that we never invaded nations because we just didn't like them or that they were attempting to develop nukes, we invaded them because they defied international laws, attacked our nation or defied the UN agreements they signed after they were ejected from their illegal invasion of a neighboring nation.

But of course, FACTS are not something that the excuse mongers want to deal with in order to rationalize and justify the actions of lunatics.

:doh

I find it sad how hyper partisan some can be to such extent that they will forgo looking objectively at situations. Besides, isn't Iran "violating UN agreements" too?

Nothing I said was incorrect. We invaded Iraq and overthrew the government there, we've demonstrated innately aggressive actions, we aren't friends with Iran. I would say he is rightfully scared of what we could or would do.

 

[Apocalypse]

We did just invade his neighbor and dispatch him. We are in the area ****ing up other countries. We are not really friends with him. He has right to be scared.

That really is irrelevant, once he develops nuclear weapons he raises a huge sign saying "invade me".