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Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

Indoctrinating? How can you call it indoctrinating when it was a part of a Black History month skit last February a month after the first Black Presidents inaugural in our counties history?…Oh by the way, here is the original video, notice that there is no music?Kinda make you go Hhmm…wondering where Fox got theirs doesn’t it?

YouTube - (No background music) School kids taught to praise Obama

How can I call deifying a sitting POTUS indoctrination? Well let me see:

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship, except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality]Cult of personality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

How do the words "He said red, yellow, black or white/All are equal in his sight” equate to supporting a cult of personality?bizarre.:shock:

It's straight out of "Jesus Loves the Little Children" replacing Jesus with Obama. lol

You might want to rework this part of your post. I consider myself a part of the United States


Well here in the United States we don't worship Presidents we don't have cults of personality. Presidents work for the people not the other way around.

that is in the majority as for as religious beliefs are concerned, Christianity.

Well that explains it. Then I understand why you think cults of personality aren't all that bad. Say hi to your skydaddy for me.

((78.4%) other wise you saying “**** your god” to the god of a majority of Americans. :2wave:

Ya pretty much.
 
Can some one please explain to me why this is a big deal please. At worst, best I can figure is a couple teachers in one school district exercised poor judgment. Isn't there much more important things going on to spend energy worrying about?

If by poor judgment you mean the attempted indoctrination of elementary school children into a cult of personality. Then ya sure.
 
You don't think some teacher somewhere told their students about the greatness of Bush? I suspect it is highly likely.

Some where at some time a pink unicorn might have existed. Unfortunately for your case this notion lacks [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability"]falsifiability[/ame]. Likewise I can make the claim that this isn't the first time teachers have attempted to indoctrinate children into the cult of Obama only the first time they've been caught.
 
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If by poor judgment you mean the attempted indoctrination of elementary school children into a cult of personality. Then ya sure.

I think that is stating it stronger than it really is, but yes. Why is this a big deal to any one other than the parents of those 18 children? Are one of those kids yours? If not, why the hell do you care? Shouldn't the parents of the kids get with the school and express their concerns...isn't that the right way this should be handled? What do you expect to gain by throwing a fit over this?
 
You don't think some teacher somewhere told their students about the greatness of Bush? I suspect it is highly likely.

Please link to the song... I really don't care what you "think" happened.
 
I think that is stating it stronger than it really is, but yes. Why is this a big deal to any one other than the parents of those 18 children? Are one of those kids yours? If not, why the hell do you care? Shouldn't the parents of the kids get with the school and express their concerns...isn't that the right way this should be handled? What do you expect to gain by throwing a fit over this?

I hope to gain the knowledge that it won't happen again, however, the superintendent has actually stood by it and suggested that he would have it happen again and most laughably suggested that it's not that they forcing children to pray to Obama but that it was videotaped. In other words he's not even sorry he got caught. Wow.
 
I hope to gain the knowledge that it won't happen again, however, the superintendent has actually stood by it and suggested that he would have it happen again and most laughably suggested that it's not that they forcing children to pray to Obama but that it was videotaped. In other words he's not even sorry he got caught. Wow.

It will happen again as long as human beings teach. Imperfections are natural, and this is the exact opposite of a big deal. The fact you are making a big deal out of something as trivial as this shows more about you than anything.
 
Please link to the song... I really don't care what you "think" happened.

Flashback: Students Sang Bush's Praises Too (And For Katrina Response!)

Back in 2006 children from Gulf Coast states serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the President, Congress, and Federal Emergency Management Agency for their response to -- of all things -- Hurricane Katrina. The lyrics were as follows:

Our country's stood beside us People have sent us aid. Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade. Congress, Bush and FEMA People across our land Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!

The event took place at that year's White House Easter Egg Roll and included roughly 100 children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. President Bush, it seems, wasn't in attendance during the song itself. But he was there earlier, when the First Lady read the book, Will You Be My Friend: A Bunny and Bird Story by Nancy Tafuri, to the children.

"After the reading," the Wall Street Journal reported at the time, "Mr. Bush asked, 'Did you like this book? Does it tell you about what people can do to help other people, what bird did to help bunny? Be kind to him and give him shelter.'"

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/04/17/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/

April 17 said:
To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang:
[Easter White House]

Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!

After the song, Mrs. Bush posed for photos with the kids, many of whom were wearing Katrina Kids T-shirts, despite the chilly rain.

Earlier, the First Lady read Will You Be My Friend: A Bunny and Bird Story by Nancy Tafuri. According to a White House pool report, the children sat on the grass as Mrs. Bush read; she sat in a white wrought iron chair, freshly toweled by two Park Service employees.
 
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It will happen again as long as human beings teach. Imperfections are natural,

When has it happened before now? This is a phenomenon completely alien to the free world. Political indoctrination in public education was once reserved for totalitarian regimes. Like it or not there is currently a cult of personality behind this current administration, and the question is what are they going to do?


and this is the exact opposite of a big deal. The fact you are making a big deal out of something as trivial as this shows more about you than anything.

So wait you don't think that the compulsory political indoctrination of children in a public school is a big deal? Tell me when will it become a big deal? Do we have to wait around for it to happen in every school in the country? Do we have to wait until the department of education produces curriculum for students k-12 making praise of dear leader compulsory? Do we have to wait until the NEA is used to produce great statues to our dear leader? Oh wait scratch that last one to late.
 
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When has it happened before now? This is a phenomenon completely alien to the free world. Political indoctrination in public education was once reserved for totalitarian regimes. Like it or not there is currently a cult of personality behind this current administration, and the question is what are they going to do?




So wait you don't think that the compulsory political indoctrination of children in a public school is not a big deal? Tell me when will it become a big deal? Do we have to wait around for it to happen in every school in the country? Do we have to wait until the department of education produces curriculum for students k-12 making praise of dear leader compulsory? Do we have to wait until the NEA is used to produce great statues to our dear leader? Oh wait scratch that last one to late.

You have shown no evidence this happened anywhere but this one district, to these 18 students. This is not some big national indoctrination conspiracy. Further, any time teachers with opinions teach about current events, they are going to inflict part of their beliefs into what they teach, which is not really different than this.

Should the teachers have done this? Probably not. Is it a big deal for any one not actually involved? Not really, it is a small time local issue with no national ramifications.
 
Once again this was at the White House Easter Egg hunt, it wasn't about a single person, and it wasn't compulsory in a public school setting.

Ah so it's only indoctrination in certain environments. Got it.
 
Ah so it's only indoctrination in certain environments. Got it.

I think it is only indoctrination if it's Pro-Obama. Let's face it, logic is not a strong suit for those making a big deal out of this.
 
I think it is only indoctrination if it's Pro-Obama. Let's face it, logic is not a strong suit for those making a big deal out of this.

Think of the childrun!
 
Ah so it's only indoctrination in certain environments. Got it.

Do you know what a captive audience is? Do you know the definition of the word compulsory? Besides saying thankyou to the POTUS, LOTUS, and FEMA for the help following the Katrina disaster isn't exactly saying: "Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans" or taking splices of "Jesus Loves the Little Children" and replacing Jesus with Obama now is it?
 
You have shown no evidence this happened anywhere but this one district, to these 18 students. This is not some big national indoctrination conspiracy.

So just ignore it until that happens or state firmly that it is unacceptable and that those who do it will be fired?

Further, any time teachers with opinions teach about current events, they are going to inflict part of their beliefs into what they teach, which is not really different than this.

Well good teachers try to give both sides of the story when discussing current events. Bad teachers attempt to indoctrinate children with a political ideology.

Should the teachers have done this? Probably not. Is it a big deal for any one not actually involved? Not really, it is a small time local issue with no national ramifications.

You don't think that the indoctrination of children in public schools is a national issue? Would you feel the same about theological indoctrination? I see this as just as big of a national issue as children being taught creationism in a public school even if it's just one school.

It needs to be made clear that this is unacceptable behavior and that those who engage in it will be fired.
 
I think it's only indoctrination when forcing children to sing praises for policy platform of a sitting POTUS.

So you define indoctrination is such a narrow way that it only applies to this one situation. How convenient.

I think the phrase "feigned outrage" was coined for just these situations.
 
So you define indoctrination is such a narrow way that it only applies to this one situation. How convenient.

I think the phrase "feigned outrage" was coined for just these situations.

I define indoctrination a - to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.

So tell me how does the example regarding the song sung at the White House easter egg hunt meet the qualifications within that definition?

There are many other examples of the indoctrination of children but they don't usually occur in the free world. Another such example in the free world which comes to mind would be the teaching of creationism.

And I'm not feigning outrage, I'm actually outraged that this occurred. If you don't see why it's outrageous then I'm not really sure what to tell you.
 
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How can I call deifying a sitting POTUS indoctrination? Well let me see:

A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship, except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.

Cult of personality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



It's straight out of "Jesus Loves the Little Children" replacing Jesus with Obama. lol




Well here in the United States we don't worship Presidents we don't have cults of personality. Presidents work for the people not the other way around.



Well that explains it. Then I understand why you think cults of personality aren't all that bad. Say hi to your skydaddy for me.



Ya pretty much.


So what your saying is that all you have besides your strawmen, is a crystal ball eh?Ok, noted. :2wave:
 
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So what your saying is that all you have besides your strawmen, is a crystal ball eh?Ok, noted. :2wave:

Um no I believe what I have been saying is that political indoctrination is not acceptable practice in the public school system.

Forcing kids to say that: "Mr. President we honor your great plans," is the text book definition of political indoctrination. The people responsible need to be fired and the message needs to be loud and clear that this is simply not acceptable behavior from a teacher. If you want to indoctrinate your own children into a cult of personality have at it but if you bring that kind of behavior into the classroom you should be fired.
 
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Um no I believe what I have been saying is that political indoctrination is not acceptable practice in the public school system.

Does the party trying to do the indoctrinations send the lyrics home for parental approval prior to the so-called indoctrination? :confused:

Forcing kids to say that: "Mr. President we honor your great plans," is the text book definition of political indoctrination. The people responsible need to be fired and the message needs to be loud and clear that this is simply not acceptable behavior from a teacher. If you want to indoctrinate your own children into a cult of personality have at it but if you bring that kind of behavior into the classroom you should be fired.

According to the“Fox News video” the lyrics were sent home prior to the assembly, no parents objected to them, so no force involved when you have parental approval.
 
Does the party trying to do the indoctrinations send the lyrics home for parental approval prior to the so-called indoctrination? :confused:

No and neither did this one. Proof or it didn't happen.

According to the“Fox News video” the lyrics were sent home prior to the assembly, no parents objected to them, so no force involved when you have parental approval.

Um where the hell did you get that tidbit of disinformation sir? According to the parents who have been interviewed they had no idea what the hell was going and only found out about it after they saw it on youtube:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WLIBnWY1Ts&feature=channel_page"]YouTube - Sean Hannity: Parents of Kids Subjected to Barack Obama Indoctrination Song Want Principal Fired[/ame]

In fact the Fox News article from my OP quotes one of the parents:

"I'm stunned -- I can't believe it's our school," said Jim Pronchik, who told FOXNews.com his 8-year-old son Jimmy was one of the 18 students in the video. "We don't want to praise this guy like he's a god or an idol or a king or anything like that. That's the wrong message to be sending."
Care to try another one?
 
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No and neither did this one. Proof or it didn't happen.



Um where the hell did you get that tidbit of disinformation sir? According to the parents who have been interviewed they had no idea what the hell was going and only found out about it after they saw it on youtube:

YouTube - Sean Hannity: Parents of Kids Subjected to Barack Obama Indoctrination Song Want Principal Fired

In fact the Fox News article from my OP quotes one of the parents:

"I'm stunned -- I can't believe it's our school," said Jim Pronchik, who told FOXNews.com his 8-year-old son Jimmy was one of the 18 students in the video. "We don't want to praise this guy like he's a god or an idol or a king or anything like that. That's the wrong message to be sending."
Care to try another one?

From a transcript.


SHOW: FOX ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN 10:23 PM EST
September 25, 2009 Friday


VAN SUSTEREN: I have a copy of a letter in my hand from Dr. Christopher Mann (ph), who is the superintendent of schools, who writes that the lyrics that some people have complained about -- that the lyrics of the song were sent home with the children in advance of the assembly. Is that correct? Have you checked that out?

MITCHELL: That's what we're reporting. Apparently, this is part of school procedure on any type of a skit. The lyrics that are written by probably a teacher in a school are sent home for approval with the parents to see if the parents would object to it. And according to the superintendent, this was sent home in advance of the assembly, and no parents objected to it prior to the assembly, during the assembly or after the assembly.

VAN SUSTEREN: So are any of those parents who -- of the children, have they now come forward and said, A, I didn't get the lyrics, or B, I did get the lyrics, but I've changed my mind?

MITCHELL: We haven't found that yet. I mean, the school district is being very closed-mouthed. They're keeping the children away from reporters and they're keeping the staff away from reporters. They've increased security, so no one can get on the campus. All comment has come from the superintendent's office. No one from the school is commenting about this incident at all. We've had no calls from any of the parents from that school complaining about that skit or complaining about what has happened at that school.


There were twenty-three children in the skit; it looks like Shawn found a couple that he could make a show of didn’t he?That leaves implied consent of the other twenty-one parents.


Now wheres your proof of attempts at indoctrination.
 
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