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Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

dragondad said:
Of course right wingers are going to complain about this liberal State now having a voice in the Senate during the healthcare debate!
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No, the Republicans will RIGHTLY complain that Massachusetts Democrats flip the rules to put a Dem in no matter what.

Dems look like a pack a cheaters and everyone KNOWS it.
 
Voidwar said:
No, the Republicans will RIGHTLY complain that Massachusetts Democrats flip the rules to put a Dem in no matter what.

Dems look like a pack a cheaters and everyone KNOWS it.
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Yes everyone knows it!

Including the majority of citizens in the State that approve of the appointment...LOL

I'm sure they are shattered and will vote the cheaters out of office come next election.
 
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Redress said:
In 2004, democrats changed the law. Now, when the law is no longer convenient for their political ends, they change the law. If you can change the law to whatever is convenient politically, then laws lose their meaning to my mind. Since democrats changed the rules, they should have lived by those rules.
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oh ... I disagree. Because they made a bad move in '04 doesn't mean the state residents should be deprived of a voice in the Senate. Yea, Imma call out the naked politics in '04, but b/c they didn't temper their naked politics with thoughtful forward thinking, doesn't mean it shouldn't be remedied.
 
If Kennedy and the MA governor had been staunchly conservative GOPers, the conservatives would be trying to do the very thing that they're now complaining about.

That's what I hate about politics. Hypocrisy seems to be the name of the game, for all parties and all ideologies. It's OK if our guys do it but not OK if your guys do the same thing.
 
Redress said:
Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat - Yahoo! News

While I appreciate the reasons why he was appointed, I have to oppose the way it was done. Changing rules every time it is convenient is silly. Either allow the governor to pick a replacement, or don't, but don't change back and forth depending on the governor.
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This was an excellent example of how Democrats have lowered the political bar to new all time lows with this naked display of outright hyper partisan hypocrisy.

Here is a Democrat Assembly that during a Republican Governors term voted to eliminate his ability to appoint members to Congress, then with a Democrat Governor, the partisan desire to implement Government run healthcare and need to have a 60 vote filibuster proof margin in the Senate trumps doing the right thing and they reverse the law they implemented during the Republican Governorship.

But don't look for this blatant display of partisan political hypocrisy on the front page of major newspapers that are in the tank for Liberal hyper partisan politics, it will be on perhaps page four much like the LA Times.

This despicable new low in politics is brought to you by the same party that LIED to the American people promising them transparency, bi-partisanship and fiscal responsibility.

You just cannot fabricate the low level of partisan hypocrisy it takes to be a Democrat these days.

Please note that the new low standard being set by Democrat partisan politics demands that in the future, should Republicans commit such a naked display of hypocritical partisan politics, Democrats should be the LAST ones to complain; the same low standard that allows for a President that gets blow jobs from interns in the White House.

That is all. :roll:
 
dragondad said:
I don't see what the problem is. This is Democracy under the guidlines of their State Constitution.

Elected representatives acted within Constitutional guidlines to change the rules in favor of their Party who control nearly 88% of the legislature.

88% control along with the Governorship is a CLEAR MANDATE that citizens what Democrats in power.

Of course right wingers are going to complain about this liberal State now having a voice in the Senate during the healthcare debate!

Just like they complained when Texas, pushed by Tom Delay, broke with decades of precedent and gerrymandered it's Congressional districts out of turn to help remove Democrats.
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:rofl Yes there is nothing wrong with this naked display of partisan hackery and hypocrisy; and of course you will be okay with this new low standard being set by Democrats when Republicans resort to the same despicable hypocritical naked hyper partisan tactics right?
:doh
 
dragondad said:
Most in the State approve of the appointment.

Pollster.com: MA: 2010 Sen Special (Suffolk 9/12-15)

I don't see what the problem is.
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The problem is the Democrats changed the rules to suit them.

Vacant sentae seats WERE filled by the governor, but in 2004 that was changed in case Kerry won the election.

Now, with the pendng Obamacare legislation, the Dems need all the senators they can get,so rather than stick with the law they made in 2004, they are changing it BACK to the pre-2004 law.

This doesnt have anything to do with the will of the people of MA, it has everyting to do with partisan political power.
 
dragondad said:
Yes everyone knows it!

Including the majority of citizens in the State that approve of the appointment...LOL
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No One is surprised anymore that Dems haven't even got the decency to act embarassed when they blatantly cheat.
 
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Redress said:
In 2004, democrats changed the law. Now, when the law is no longer convenient for their political ends, they change the law. If you can change the law to whatever is convenient politically, then laws lose their meaning to my mind. Since democrats changed the rules, they should have lived by those rules.
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:applaud Bravo Redress, something we can both agree on for a change.
 
Birdzeye said:
If Kennedy and the MA governor had been staunchly conservative GOPers, the conservatives would be trying to do the very thing that they're now complaining about.

That's what I hate about politics. Hypocrisy seems to be the name of the game, for all parties and all ideologies. It's OK if our guys do it but not OK if your guys do the same thing.
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What a fascinating argument; Republicans COULD have tried the same thing therefore Hypocrisy goes for all ideologies and let's forget what an OBVIOUS naked display of hyper partisan political hypocrisy for setting a new low standard in US politics these Democrats have committed.

:rofl
 
I've found that people who complain about "partisan politics" usually don't know much about the issues, civics, government, etc.

I always ask them what IS this big issue that the right and left should just come together in a spirit of harmony and solve? Give me an example of what this final product would look like?

If they can attempt to name one, the answers I get almost always involve the Dems caving completely into the demands of the right.

Like they wish for in the health care debate....Dems you drop the public option and we will let you pass a worthless bill that will make you look stupid in the end.

See? Isn't that kind of them?

Folks when your are dealing with radicals (and the GOP today has been taken over by radicals) there is NOTHING wrong with partisan politics.
 
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dragondad said:
Folks when your are dealing with radicals (and the GOP today has been taken over by radicals) there is NOTHING wrong with partisan politics.
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Except whe the GOP is in charge, of course.
 
dragondad said:
I always ask them what IS this big issue that the right and left should just come together in a spirit of harmony and solve? Give me an example of what this final product would look like?
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dragondad said:
If they can attempt to name one, the answers I get almost always involve the Dems caving completely into the demands of the right.
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Wealth redistribution is a deal breaker. Throw it out as a party plank.

You are never going to talk the robbed into not minding, so stop proposing robbing in the first place.

dragondad said:
Folks when your are dealing with radicals (and the GOP today has been taken over by radicals) there is NOTHING wrong with partisan politics.
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I think based on Obama's appointments, and Reid's "not wasting a good crisis" it is the Dems who have been taken over by their radicals.
 
Truth Detector said:
What a fascinating argument; Republicans COULD have tried the same thing therefore Hypocrisy goes for all ideologies and let's forget what an OBVIOUS naked display of hyper partisan political hypocrisy for setting a new low standard in US politics these Democrats have committed.

:rofl
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Surely you don't believe that others are stupid enough to believe that it's the Dems, and only the Dems, who pull partisan s*** like this. :roll:

Here's an example of partisanship exhibited by both sides, but I'm sure you'll find an excuse to bash only the Democrats:

Messin' with Texas: Tom DeLay's redistricting affair comes to the Supreme Court | National Review | Find Articles at BNET
 
jackalope said:
oh ... I disagree. Because they made a bad move in '04 doesn't mean the state residents should be deprived of a voice in the Senate. Yea, Imma call out the naked politics in '04, but b/c they didn't temper their naked politics with thoughtful forward thinking, doesn't mean it shouldn't be remedied.
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You would have a point if this change had happened at another time. But since it was an OK law, right up till it was not convenient, then it no longer is changing a bad law, it's changing a bad law when it no longer serves it's political end. The result is good, but the means is not.
 
And not one of them gave a damn about "partisan politics' when they did it.

Redress I sympathize with you and if we had a good faith GOP today I'd agree with you.

But at this point in time, being anything but calculating towards the radicalized GOP is counter productive.
 
dragondad said:
And not one of them gave a damn about "partisan politics' when they did it.

Redress I sympathize with you and if we had a good faith GOP today I'd agree with you.

But at this point in time, being anything but calculating towards the radicalized GOP is counter productive.
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That is not a road I am willing to go down. To sacrifice my beliefs just to win would make the win not worth it.
 
dragondad said:
Most in the State approve of the appointment.

Pollster.com: MA: 2010 Sen Special (Suffolk 9/12-15)

I don't see what the problem is. This is Democracy under the guidlines of their State Constitution.

Elected representatives acted within Constitutional guidlines to change the rules in favor of their Party who control nearly 88% of the legislature.

88% control along with the Governorship is a CLEAR MANDATE that citizens what Democrats in power.

Of course right wingers are going to complain about this liberal State now having a voice in the Senate during the healthcare debate!

Just like they complained when Texas, pushed by Tom Delay, broke with decades of precedent and gerrymandered it's Congressional districts out of turn to help remove Democrats.
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lolwut? Kirk isn't even in that poll.
 
dragondad said:
I've found that people who complain about "partisan politics" usually don't know much about the issues, civics, government, etc.

I always ask them what IS this big issue that the right and left should just come together in a spirit of harmony and solve? Give me an example of what this final product would look like?

If they can attempt to name one, the answers I get almost always involve the Dems caving completely into the demands of the right.

Like they wish for in the health care debate....Dems you drop the public option and we will let you pass a worthless bill that will make you look stupid in the end.

See? Isn't that kind of them?

Folks when your are dealing with radicals (and the GOP today has been taken over by radicals) there is NOTHING wrong with partisan politics.
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There's always something wrong with partisan politics. It gets you idiots. Stupid people unable to think for themselves and instead just tow a party line. They don't research, they don't think about problems, all they do is sit around and wait for their party leader to speak and then regurgitate ad nauseam the talking points. It's how you get people so stupid that they rallied against Bush for doing things they didn't like and then defend Obama for having done the same thing. We don't need more stupid in this country, we're full up.
 
dragondad said:
I've found that people who complain about "partisan politics" usually don't know much about the issues, civics, government, etc.

I always ask them what IS this big issue that the right and left should just come together in a spirit of harmony and solve? Give me an example of what this final product would look like?

If they can attempt to name one, the answers I get almost always involve the Dems caving completely into the demands of the right.

Like they wish for in the health care debate....Dems you drop the public option and we will let you pass a worthless bill that will make you look stupid in the end.

See? Isn't that kind of them?

Folks when your are dealing with radicals (and the GOP today has been taken over by radicals) there is NOTHING wrong with partisan politics.
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One can only laugh at the level of willful denial it takes to make the above remarks.

Here's a clue for your rabid hyper partisan Liberals; Republicans cannot STOP this legislation. Therefore, this is not an issue with Republicans but rather and issue within the Democrat majority where some members are balking at legislation that would nationalize our healthcare system which will result in massive new taxes and increasing an already incredible DEFICIT in an environment where we are in a deep recession, have a massive DEBT obligation and still have not debated how to pay down the $1.6 trillion deficit we already have and climbing. :doh

It appears that there are enough RATIONAL members of Obama's own party that is saying whoa; I am not sure we can do this right now.

It is farcical for Liberal Democrats to rant that this is some evil hyper partisan effort by the GOP when they have filibuster proof margins in BOTH houses of Congress and a Democrat President.

It is as farcical as your hyper emotional partisan rants suggesting that the GOP is a radical element. :rofl
 
Truth Detector said:
One can only laugh at the level of willful denial it takes to make the above remarks.

Here's a clue for your rabid hyper partisan Liberals; Republicans cannot STOP this legislation. Therefore, this is not an issue with Republicans but rather and issue within the Democrat majority where some members are balking at legislation that would nationalize our healthcare system which will result in massive new taxes and increasing an already incredible DEFICIT in an environment where we are in a deep recession, have a massive DEBT obligation and still have not debated how to pay down the $1.6 trillion deficit we already have and climbing. :doh

It appears that there are enough RATIONAL members of Obama's own party that is saying whoa; I am not sure we can do this right now.

It is farcical for Liberal Democrats to rant that this is some evil hyper partisan effort by the GOP when they have filibuster proof margins in BOTH houses of Congress and a Democrat President.

It is as farcical as your hyper emotional partisan rants suggesting that the GOP is a radical element. :rofl
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LoL @ TD calling some one "hyper partisan".
 
Birdzeye said:
Surely you don't believe that others are stupid enough to believe that it's the Dems, and only the Dems, who pull partisan s*** like this. :roll:
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Yes that is what I am saying and that is the issue HERE in this thread. Perhaps you should read about it?

If Republicans tried to pull a blatant politically partisan act like this, I would be joining Democrats denouncing it.

Birdzeye said:
Here's an example of partisanship exhibited by both sides, but I'm sure you'll find an excuse to bash only the Democrats:

Messin' with Texas: Tom DeLay's redistricting affair comes to the Supreme Court | National Review | Find Articles at BNET
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I am amazed that you attempt to suggest that this is somehow even remotely at the same level as the thread topic; aside from the efforts you are obviously making to avoid the thread topic.

The FACT in this case with Tom DeLay is another example of hypocritical hyper partisan Democrats attempting to impugn their political opponents by slinging mud instead of having an honest civil debate on political philosophy.

This particular case is an out of control State Attorney General who made false assertions, cannot prove them in a court of law and as a result, no charges have been brought to date and none will be brought.

Tell me what has been the end result of this campaign to impugn a good man with false charges?

Here is a prediction from me; when this case is finally settled, much like many other Liberal attempts to sling mud at opponents, DeLay will not be charged with any wrong doing.

Carry on and at least try to address the topic at hand instead of wandering off topic on tangents in a desperate effort to avoid reality.
 
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